How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[xfrodobagginsx]

If God can forgive Paul? Was Paul forgiven or not? Was Paul allowed into Heaven?

What about Peter? If it's his job to stand outside the Pearly Gates, does that mean he isn't allowed into Heaven?

Yes Paul was forgiven and it goes to show that God is willing to forgive anyone who truly repents and turns to Christ for salvation.

Peter is no standing outside of the pearly gates. That one is not in the Bible.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Saul/Paul was a torturer and death-squad leader who never ever quoted and often contradicted the Jesus he supposedly supported. Those who follow Paul don't follow Jesus. Pretty simple, eh?

As for who's in Heaven -- pretty much anyone with money won't be there. Will Peter have fun kicking the Tromps and their cohorts into the fiery pits?

Paul was a former terrorist who saw the risen Christ on the road to Damascus and was called to minister to the Gentiles. Paul's ministry was to the Gentiles and was grace. The Disciples ministry was to the Jews under the law. So of course many of Paul's writings are going to contradict Christ and the 12. Nonetheless, Paul's gospel was given to him by Jesus for the Gentiles. Those who follow Paul DO follow Jesus. Interesting that the 12 Disciples accepted Paul and his writings as from God. Think about that. It's not true that anyone with money won't be in heaven. Again, Jesus was speaking to Jews under the law. Under grace, salvation is by Grace through FAITH, not of works. Interesting that you should seem to not like Trump and the Republicans. Are you implying that the Democrats are more in line with Biblical values? I think not.

 

[phrodeau]

Yes Paul was forgiven and it goes to show that God is willing to forgive anyone who truly repents and turns to Christ for salvation.

Peter is no standing outside of the pearly gates. That one is not in the Bible.

You only have Paul's word on that, and he was alive at the time, so how do you know he went to heaven?

 

[Hypoxia]

Interesting that you should seem to not like Trump and the Republicans. Are you implying that the Democrats are more in line with Biblical values? I think not.

I have about zero interest in biblical values because:

1) biblical texts are inconsistent, and self-contradictory;
2) biblical texts record ancient mythologies ignorant of life beyond their locales;
3) religious moral codes are fine for those who believe them and oppressive for others; and
4) we can cherry-pick whatever vicious justifications we want from the texts.

Back to Saul/Paul, the torturer and death-squad leader who never quoted the lord he supposedly followed but often contradicted. Yeshua said to obey Torah, the Law. Saul/Paul said don't bother. Alas, if you follow Saul/Paul, you don't follow Yeshua. Don't keep kosher? You're a Saulist. Take off your mask.

 

[richard_daily]

FYI Jesus walked the earth 2,000+ years AFTER the flood.

So when the earth was 2000 years old?!?

 

[colddiesel]

Paul was a former terrorist who saw the risen Christ on the road to Damascus and was called to minister to the Gentiles. Paul's ministry was to the Gentiles and was grace. The Disciples ministry was to the Jews under the law. .

So what was Peter(as a Disciple) doing strung upside down in Rome when he should have been sorting out the Jews?

Incidentally, you didn't mention that Paul's first attempt at ministry was in the Northern Arabian Peninsula - tho' it wasn't too successful.

St Thomas was reputed to have preached in India and possibly to the Sogdians - they weren't Jews. I wonder about the conversion of the Nestorians and the very early Armenian Church too. I reckon there was probably a bunch of guys converting heathens all over the middle East.

Incidentally xfrodo what brand of Christian are you? Sometimes you sound Baptist, sometimes Methodist, occasionally even Roman Catholic; maybe Evangelical of some sort. Not Presbyterian I hope - I share Archbishop Bancroft's opinion of those Scottish bastards.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You only have Paul's word on that, and he was alive at the time, so how do you know he went to heaven?

The Apostles confirmed that they supported Paul, and obviously knew who he was. Church history likely contains these things.

Peter even wrote of Paul in his epistles.

2Pe 3:15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[gordo12]

Anybody that knows anything about the bible knows they are a contradictory, re-edited, self serving load of crap designed to keep the largest con games ever perpetrated in power.

With over 36,000 known errors it could hardly be called the work of God.

Jesus, if he lived,(and the jury is still out on that one) was a first century apocalyptic preacher who believed god would come to earth and slay the sinners and it would come in his lifetime. There was never any mention of heaven, hell or miracles. All of these things have been added by organized religions rewriting various books and then putting together anything that supports their position. Only and idiot would believe that drivel.

Let's have a poll about another fairy tale. How about Cinderella.

 

[SelfTawt]

Anybody that knows anything about the bible knows they are a contradictory, re-edited, self serving load of crap designed to keep the largest con games ever perpetrated in power.

With over 36,000 known errors it could hardly be called the work of God.

Jesus, if he lived,(and the jury is still out on that one) was a first century apocalyptic preacher who believed god would come to earth and slay the sinners and it would come in his lifetime. There was never any mention of heaven, hell or miracles. All of these things have been added by organized religions rewriting various books and then putting together anything that supports their position. Only and idiot would believe that drivel.

Let's have a poll about another fairy tale. How about Cinderella.

Glass slipper and pumpkin technology wasnt advanced enough back then for Cinderella to be a legit.

 

[gordo12]

Glass slipper and pumpkin technology wasnt advanced enough back then for Cinderella to be a legit.

Ahh but some idiot waved a wand and created all those...... apparently a universe too.

Gotta get me one of them wands!

 

[Tryharder62]

Anybody that knows anything about the bible knows they are a contradictory, re-edited, self serving load of crap designed to keep the largest con games ever perpetrated in power.

With over 36,000 known errors it could hardly be called the work of God.

Jesus, if he lived,(and the jury is still out on that one) was a first century apocalyptic preacher who believed god would come to earth and slay the sinners and it would come in his lifetime. There was never any mention of heaven, hell or miracles. All of these things have been added by organized religions rewriting various books and then putting together anything that supports their position. Only and idiot would believe that drivel.

Let's have a poll about another fairy tale. How about Cinderella.

Out of curiosity.....Have you read it? Also is it 2017 AD..... ? Think about it

 

[Tryharder62]

Ahh but some idiot waved a wand and created all those...... apparently a universe too.

Gotta get me one of them wands!

Only special people get the wands.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Anybody that knows anything about the bible knows they are a contradictory, re-edited, self serving load of crap designed to keep the largest con games ever perpetrated in power.

With over 36,000 known errors it could hardly be called the work of God.

Jesus, if he lived,(and the jury is still out on that one) was a first century apocalyptic preacher who believed god would come to earth and slay the sinners and it would come in his lifetime. There was never any mention of heaven, hell or miracles. All of these things have been added by organized religions rewriting various books and then putting together anything that supports their position. Only and idiot would believe that drivel.

Let's have a poll about another fairy tale. How about Cinderella.

Anybody who knows anything about the Bible knows that what you just said is a load of crap. It's not contradictory, it's amazingly written by 40 authors over a 1600 year period, who lived in different parts of the world, from different walks of life and yet it fits together as if written by one person, because it really was inspired by God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ. Yes, Jesus Christ really lived. The evidence is overwhelming and anyone who has actually researched it knows that there are dozens of historical writings of Him, there is early Church writings, the Apachrifical writings, the Agnostic writings and many others. Also seems awfully intereting that modern schalars didn't know what we were talking about, then why is the year 2017 significant if Christ never lived? Why is Christmas and Easter a Holiday if Christ didn't live? The early Church and Governments knew who He was.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So when the earth was 2000 years old?!?

The earth was about 4000 years old when Christ walked the earth.

 

[phrodeau]

The earth was about 4000 years old when Christ walked the earth.

Nope. There is no evidence for that, and the Bible doesn't even agree.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Nope. There is no evidence for that, and the Bible doesn't even agree.

The Bible does agree. That's what the Bible scholars say according to the timeline in the Bible. The geneologies confirm it and they go back to Adam.

 

[Freudian_Slit]

The earth was about 4000 years old when Christ walked the earth.

LOL WUT.

 

[phrodeau]

The Bible does agree. That's what the Bible scholars say according to the timeline in the Bible. The geneologies confirm it and they go back to Adam.

The genealogies are crap, and don't agree with each other. Who was the grandfather of Jesus?

 

[richard_daily]

LOL WUT.

When someone ascribes to the new earth theory of theology, you know they've jumped the shark.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

LOL WUT.

Do you know what a genealogy is? Well the Bible traces Christ's lineage all the way back to Adam and many others back to Adam. The Bible Scholars know by the time periods and details how long ago things happened.

 

[phrodeau]

Do you know what a genealogy is? Well the Bible traces Christ's lineage all the way back to Adam and many others back to Adam. The Bible Scholars know by the time periods and details how long ago things happened.

Bible scholars don't know anything. All they can do is guess what those ancient scrawls are supposed to mean.

 

[Hypoxia]

Bible scholars don't know anything. All they can do is guess what those ancient scrawls are supposed to mean.

And with the correct interpretation they can mean whatever is desired.

I recall reading that during the Babylonian Captivity, all copies of Hebrew Scriptures were destroyed. After the release, one old scholar rewrote the whole shebang from memory. Woe could declare (without evidence) that Lord {JHWH} performed YAM (Yet Another Miracle) to create a perfect rendition. Or one may wonder, "Just how good was this dude's memory?"

Keep in mind that Hebrew Scriptures are oral as well as written. Ancient Hebrew lacked written vowels. Consonants alone aren't enough; ya gotta say the word to know what it is. Example in Anglish: SHT. Could be shat, shet (colloq.), sheet, shit, shite, shi'ite, shitty, shot, shoat, shoit (colloq.), shoot, shout, or shut. Maybe you can tell by context; maybe not. To learn the text, one must be taught the pronunciation. Welcome to shule.

Originals of biblical texts don't exist, only handwritten transcriptions of varying fidelity, especially with Xian Gospels. Handwritten Hebrew Scriptures are checked against previous vetted copies; new scrolls with errors are discarded. Xian copyists were nowhere near as careful, with many mistakes, additions, deletions, and alternate takes.

Judeo-Xian-Muslim theologies are built upon a bed of sand.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Bible scholars don't know anything. All they can do is guess what those ancient scrawls are supposed to mean.

They are far more educated on the subject than you are. They spend their entire lives studying the history, genealogies, archaeology, ect. They have doctorate degrees in the subject. Do you?

 

[phrodeau]

They are far more educated on the subject than you are. They spend their entire lives studying the history, genealogies, archaeology, ect. They have doctorate degrees in the subject. Do you?

See if you can find two who agree with each other.

 

[Liar]

Is this thing still goin' on?