Americans don't have monopoly on right-wing loonies, Canada has them too

[zotique]

Want to meet rednecks?

We have some in Canada too.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/

Look at the "Politics and Debates forum."

Quite the bunch of circle jerks egging each other on.

Join up and join the fun.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I think you do have to register to gain access to that forum.

I had fun taking on the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters when our club attempted to fully affiliate with the OFAH. As the major gun lobby faction in Ontario I was not about to be forced into joining.

Don't have an issue with most hunting. The OFAH has a bad habit of revisionism. Common carp are called invasive. Yet are an introduced species like rainbow trout, Pacific salmon and largemouth bass. They copied and pasted a section of the Ontario Ministry of Resources report on cormorants but cut the bit which said that cormorants feed on fish 6-10 inches. making it sound like cormorants are far more voracious than they are.

Their opposition to the long gun registry bothered me as IMO would have had no effect on the right to engage in traditional activities. Which is the Canadian equivalent of the right to bear arms.

The vote to become fully affiliated was narrowly defeated. If only because it was held during deer season and half a dozen hunters were off hunting.

And then the OFAH sent a form letter that stated some what impolitely that we were in no way affiliated with the OFAH. Insurance reasons drives why the OFAH demands full affiliation. Our club is financially well off on fully own private property so the need for insurance for our executive is taken care of. Small clubs with limited cash and using mostly public lands can certainly benefit from the insurance that OFAH affiliation supplies.

The letter was not well received by even the OFAH supporters in the club. And a some what nasty reply was forwarded to the OFAH. I myself objected to the letter. Preferring not to burn any bridges and try to stay cordial with the Federation.

 

[Hard_Rom]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...alt-right-cornwallis-statue-protest-1.4210331

Alt-right group posts names, photos of 'potentially dangerous' Cornwallis protesters
28 people 'doxed' by national socialist group, some labelled as mentally ill

A group of self-described national socialists in Nova Scotia has posted personal information about people who've shown interest in protests calling for the removal of an Edward Cornwallis statue in Halifax, labelling them as "potentially dangerous."

An anonymous Twitter user affiliated with the group Cape Breton Alt Right published a list online last Thursday, releasing the names, photos and other identifying details of 28 people — a process known on the internet as "doxing."

The group continues to maintain anonymity and refused to be interviewed by the CBC over the phone or in person on the grounds that it would be "inappropriate." In an emailed statement, however, the group said it has received death threats almost daily since the list was posted. The statement goes on to compare the actions of Cornwallis demonstrators to the destruction of historical sites in Palmyra by ISIS and indicates the list was compiled over the course of about two months "in the interest of public safety."

Cornwallis, Halifax's controversial founder, was a governor of Nova Scotia who, in 1749, issued a so-called scalping proclamation offering a cash bounty to anyone who killed a Mi'kmaq person.

 

[zotique]

Well the site I am referring to is about hunting in BC.

I used to think that most hunters in BC were nice guys, pretty down to earth, regular working folks that like to go camping and maybe bring a deer or a moose home for the freezer.


I attend the site to share advice about hunting places and techniques.

What I am shocked at though is the concentration of climate change denying, racist, islamophobic, Trudeau (both) detesting, Trump supporting, anti-union knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, Harper-loving Scheerites mouthing off on the site.


Then again, it is mostly about 10 or 12 of the same assholes egging each other on. I may be getting a distorted perspective. Most people who use the site do not even participate in the Politics and Debates forum

 

[Boxlicker101]

Canada has left-wing loonies too. I am referring here to those persons who are opposed to freedom of speech, except for people who agree with them. We have had several threads about them in the past.

 

[magicalmoments]

Well the site I am referring to is about hunting in BC.

I used to think that most hunters in BC were nice guys, pretty down to earth, regular working folks that like to go camping and maybe bring a deer or a moose home for the freezer.


I attend the site to share advice about hunting places and techniques.

What I am shocked at though is the concentration of climate change denying, racist, islamophobic, Trudeau (both) detesting, Trump supporting, anti-union knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, Harper-loving Scheerites mouthing off on the site.


Then again, it is mostly about 10 or 12 of the same assholes egging each other on. I may be getting a distorted perspective. Most people who use the site do not even participate in the Politics and Debates forum

So... Just like the GB on Lit then?

 

[Hard_Rom]

The laws prohibit advocating or promoting genocide and prohibit inciting hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace.

Peace, order and good government. Peace come first. Without peace there is no order. And without peace and order you can't have good government.

Does the US have good government? I doubt even Yanks think so. They feel they must be armed against their own government. And the US has been internationally down graded to a 'flawed' democracy.

Which country is looked at globally as a nice peaceful lawful place to live? What country has the better chance of breaking down into civil war? What country has Nazis marching in the streets? Which country leads in things like happiness and freedom?

Canada leads the US on any freedom index. Being able to spout hatred and lies is not freedom. In school that gets you detention, expulsion or made to stand in the corner. Maturity means being able to curb your baser and more immature impulses. That is what separate children from adults. Usually!

Large population, big military and large economy will only get you so far.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Well the site I am referring to is about hunting in BC.

I used to think that most hunters in BC were nice guys, pretty down to earth, regular working folks that like to go camping and maybe bring a deer or a moose home for the freezer.


I attend the site to share advice about hunting places and techniques.

What I am shocked at though is the concentration of climate change denying, racist, islamophobic, Trudeau (both) detesting, Trump supporting, anti-union knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, Harper-loving Scheerites mouthing off on the site.


Then again, it is mostly about 10 or 12 of the same assholes egging each other on. I may be getting a distorted perspective. Most people who use the site do not even participate in the Politics and Debates forum

Nah, you're just meeting real people without the pc blinkers on. Revel in the freedom.

 

[dan_c00000]

Stephen Harper was pretty right wing for Canada. I remember reading an article where someone described as Canada's "version of George W. Bush, minus the warmth and intellect". Which pretty much says it all.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The laws prohibit advocating or promoting genocide and prohibit inciting hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace.

Peace, order and good government. Peace come first. Without peace there is no order. And without peace and order you can't have good government.

Does the US have good government? I doubt even Yanks think so. They feel they must be armed against their own government. And the US has been internationally down graded to a 'flawed' democracy.

Which country is looked at globally as a nice peaceful lawful place to live? What country has the better chance of breaking down into civil war? What country has Nazis marching in the streets? Which country leads in things like happiness and freedom?

Canada leads the US on any freedom index. Being able to spout hatred and lies is not freedom. In school that gets you detention, expulsion or made to stand in the corner. Maturity means being able to curb your baser and more immature impulses. That is what separate children from adults. Usually!

Large population, big military and large economy will only get you so far.

Is this any kind of official evaluation, and do you have any citation for that statement?

 

[Hard_Rom]

http://www.businessinsider.com/econ...ades-united-states-to-flawed-democracy-2017-1

Americans' trust in government has been declining since the late 1950s. And after an uptick from the mid-1990s to the early 2000s, confidence again dropped, according to Pew Research data cited by the EIU. In fact, the percentage of Americans who say they trust the government "just about always" or "most of the time" dropped to less than 20% in the mid-2010s.

The EIU argues that there are several reasons for this decline. First, major political events over the past several decades, including the Vietnam War, the Watergate scandal, the Iraq War, the financial and housing crisis in 2008-2009, and government shutdowns, have eroded Americans' trust in government.

Although the report's publication comes shortly after the election of President Donald Trump, the EIU analysts write that the US was not downgraded because of him. Rather, they argue, his surprise election was an effect of the underlying causes that led the EIU to downgrade the US.

"By tapping a deep strain of political disaffection with the functioning of democracy, Mr. Trump became a beneficiary of the low esteem in which US voters hold their government, elected representatives, and political parties, but he was not responsible for a problem that has had a long gestation." “The thing that mainstream commentators said disqualified Mr Trump — his lack of political experience — was what qualified him in the view of so many who voted for him,” the analysts wrote. “He appealed to the angry, anti-political mood of larges swathes of the electorate who feel that the two mainstream parties no longer speak for them.”

As a reference point, other countries that qualify as "flawed democracies" and have similar scores on the EIU metrics as the US include Japan, Italy, France, South Korea, Israel, Estonia, India, and Chile.

 

[Boxlicker101]

http://www.businessinsider.com/econ...ades-united-states-to-flawed-democracy-2017-1

Americans' trust in government has been declining since the late 1950s. And after an uptick from the mid-1990s to the early 2000s, confidence again dropped, according to Pew Research data cited by the EIU. In fact, the percentage of Americans who say they trust the government "just about always" or "most of the time" dropped to less than 20% in the mid-2010s.

The EIU argues that there are several reasons for this decline. First, major political events over the past several decades, including the Vietnam War, the Watergate scandal, the Iraq War, the financial and housing crisis in 2008-2009, and government shutdowns, have eroded Americans' trust in government.

Although the report's publication comes shortly after the election of President Donald Trump, the EIU analysts write that the US was not downgraded because of him. Rather, they argue, his surprise election was an effect of the underlying causes that led the EIU to downgrade the US.

"By tapping a deep strain of political disaffection with the functioning of democracy, Mr. Trump became a beneficiary of the low esteem in which US voters hold their government, elected representatives, and political parties, but he was not responsible for a problem that has had a long gestation." “The thing that mainstream commentators said disqualified Mr Trump — his lack of political experience — was what qualified him in the view of so many who voted for him,” the analysts wrote. “He appealed to the angry, anti-political mood of larges swathes of the electorate who feel that the two mainstream parties no longer speak for them.”

As a reference point, other countries that qualify as "flawed democracies" and have similar scores on the EIU metrics as the US include Japan, Italy, France, South Korea, Israel, Estonia, India, and Chile.

I think the distrust goes back further than that, at least to the 1930's and the Great Depression. There was an uptick, if things were being followed, during WW2 and certainly during the Eisenhower years. Ike was also seen as being a non-politician.

Vietnam and The Welfare State started about the same time, and I believe the latter may have been an even greater source of distrust. I also think Watergate was overrated, because I believe it was just seen as a part of dirty politics that was practiced by both major parties.

The uptick in trust, if there was one, would have been because of the GOP Contract with America, which reduced the Welfare State. Clinton went along with it, but it wasn't his idea.

 

[magicalmoments]

I think the distrust goes back further than that, at least to the 1930's and the Great Depression. There was an uptick, if things were being followed, during WW2 and certainly during the Eisenhower years. Ike was also seen as being a non-politician.

Vietnam and The Welfare State started about the same time, and I believe the latter may have been an even greater source of distrust. I also think Watergate was overrated, because I believe it was just seen as a part of dirty politics that was practiced by both major parties.

The uptick in trust, if there was one, would have been because of the GOP Contract with America, which reduced the Welfare State. Clinton went along with it, but it wasn't his idea.

My interest in your comments is limited solely to your opinion on Watergate.

I've never before seen any suggestion that Watergate was overrated because it was seen as part of dirty politics as practiced by both major parties. To me Watergate was always about the presedential cover up and Nixon diminishing the standing of the office by his behaviour and ultimately by his belief that he was above the law. I don't really see how you can overrated that. I would be interested in hearing of any other dirty politics that came even close to that.

How do you mean it was overrated?

 

[ChloeTzang]

My interest in your comments is limited solely to your opinion on Watergate.

I've never before seen any suggestion that Watergate was overrated because it was seen as part of dirty politics as practiced by both major parties. To me Watergate was always about the presedential cover up and Nixon diminishing the standing of the office by his behaviour and ultimately by his belief that he was above the law. I don't really see how you can overrated that. I would be interested in hearing of any other dirty politics that came even close to that.

How do you mean it was overrated?

On that basis Obama should have been impeached many times over. Unfortunately our standards have slipped and the RINOs illustrated just what they are by failing us. Unlike at least a few democrats who are already trying to impeach Trump. They're setting a good precedent for the next go round with a democrat president. All it really illustrates is we're becoming in increasingly ungovernable. If yo refuse to consent and want to "resist" when my side has won, why in hells name would you expect me to consent and acquiesce next go round? You're, as always, setting a bad precedent here. And you never want to believe that the inevitable consequences are your fault.

 

[colddiesel]

On that basis Obama should have been impeached many times over. Unfortunately our standards have slipped and the RINOs illustrated just what they are by failing us. Unlike at least a few democrats who are already trying to impeach Trump. They're setting a good precedent for the next go round with a democrat president. All it really illustrates is we're becoming in increasingly ungovernable. If yo refuse to consent and want to "resist" when my side has won, why in hells name would you expect me to consent and acquiesce next go round? You're, as always, setting a bad precedent here. And you never want to believe that the inevitable consequences are your fault.

Chloe, The republicans made sure that Congress ceased to work from 2010 - both sides are equally at fault.

I have seen you refer to the RINO's a few times disparagingly but am unsure where, when and to whom do you refer. Is there a particular shade of Republican opinion that you do support, because there are a lot of shades between Susan Collins and Rand Paul.

Personally I don't see Trump as a Republican at all, but as a populist /opportunist. Or are you a closet Steve Bannon convert?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Chloe, The republicans made sure that Congress ceased to work from 2010 - both sides are equally at fault.

I have seen you refer to the RINO's a few times disparagingly but am unsure where, when and to whom do you refer. Is there a particular shade of Republican opinion that you do support, because there are a lot of shades between Susan Collins and Rand Paul.

Personally I don't see Trump as a Republican at all, but as a populist /opportunist. Or are you a closet Steve Bannon convert?

I think Bannon has nailed it very effectively. Economic nationalism. We need to look out for our own interests as a nation first and foremost and screw globalization. All it's brought is misery and destitution for many.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Stephen Harper was pretty right wing for Canada. I remember reading an article where someone described as Canada's "version of George W. Bush, minus the warmth and intellect". Which pretty much says it all.

A good denunciation of Harper's economic policies. Shows he is just a western oil cowboy. Or was.

"Championing dirty oil meant that Harper had to undermine traditional Canadian values — including environmental stewardship and international collaboration."

Not what you want to hear living in the so called 'rust belt' of Ontario.

"When oil is booming, the Canadian dollar is strong. That undermines the traditional manufacturing economy by inflating the cost of export goods like Canadian car parts. "As the dollar was rising because of higher oil prices," Poloz said, it drove "destruction of the capacity to export."

Until now, the Harper government has been happy to sacrifice industry for oil. Speaking last June, near the peak in crude prices, Harper's dour finance minister, Joe Oliver, underscored the government's conviction that Canada's economic future hinges on massive oil reserves, not its Rust Belt manufacturing base."

Until oil prices crash and commodity prices tumble.

"The choice is stark," Oliver told a summit of the International Economic Forum of the Americas in Montreal. "Head down the path of economic decline, higher unemployment . . . and growing debt, or achieve prosperity and security now and for future generations through the responsible development of our resources."

Abandonment of traditional values and concentration of capital in one industry is wrong headed. An economy built on what you make is more advanced than one on what you find. Unless willing to build refineries just north of the US border it is mid-west US refineries which benefit by adding value to the product.

Canada, indeed, stands at a crossroads. It can continue down Harper's chosen path, unearthing billions of barrels of filthy fossil fuels and shackling its economy to the volatile trade in a single commodity — becoming rich or going broke at the whim of the oil markets.

Or it can take advantage of the collapse of crude prices to return to a more sustainable economy — as a currency-advantaged exporter of goods and services to its southern neighbor, the most voracious consumer economy on Earth.

*balance and moderation in everything*