Climate continues to change.

[phrodeau]

Perhaps you can illuminate us mere mortals as to how the laws of thermodynamics are modified by some factor based on the fuel.

Idiot.

Ishmael

It's because of thermodynamics that burning coal leads to global warming, and burning wood does not.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Perhaps you can illuminate us mere mortals as to how the laws of thermodynamics are modified by some factor based on the fuel.

What fuel you burn does not make a difference in the laws of thermodynamics, but it does make a difference in what you are putting into the air. See post #1669.

 

[Conager]

A good day for the separation of Church and State.

Sorry Phrodeau, the US government will no longer be establishing Climate Change as the national religion: https://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/jennifervanlaar/2017/04/30/epa-climate-change-websites-scrapped-n2320188

 

[water505]

I think Spidey should join this thread and give it some clarity.

 

[phrodeau]

A good day for the separation of Church and State.

Sorry Phrodeau, the US government will no longer be establishing Climate Change as the national religion: https://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/jennifervanlaar/2017/04/30/epa-climate-change-websites-scrapped-n2320188

Funny you should mention State. You may be unaware how many US states have their own policies to combat climate change. President Trump can make his few remaining friends happy, and the rest of the nation will deal with the problem.

 

[Conager]

Funny you should mention State. You may be unaware how many US states have their own policies to combat climate change. President Trump can make his few remaining friends happy, and the rest of the nation will deal with the problem.

I am pleased that you agree with me that the incorporation clause only applies to the 14th amendment.

Historically, many States had State-sponsored religions. Only the Federal Government is forbidden from establishing a religion. If California wants to join and support your church (at their sole expense) that is fine with me.

"I dread government in the name of science. That is how tyrannies come in. In every age the men who want us under their thumb, if they have any sense, will put forward the particular pretension which the hopes and fears of that age render most potent." -C.S.Lewis

So tell me. Since climate change is a world-wide "problem" what will the average temperature be in 5-10-100 years with those heroic State efforts to "combat climate change?"

Follow-up: if the earth decides it is time for another ice age, what will be the States response to "combat" that climate change?

 

[domroger]

Funny you should mention State. You may be unaware how many US states have their own policies to combat climate change. President Trump can make his few remaining friends happy, and the rest of the nation will deal with the problem.

Trump has friends !

 

[Conager]

Trump has friends !

He had voters. Less than 2% of whom report regretting their choice. If a rematch were held today, He would also win the meaningless popularity contest, since his opponent's popularity in defeat has eroded by larger margin.

 

[FGB]

{Grabs oar and stabs water}

I am on both sides. NOW PUT DOWN THOSE ROPES AND TORCHES!

My thoughts.

Yes the climate is changing as it has since time began. Are we in line for the down side? The record sort of indicates that we have had it pretty damned good considering the record.

Can we actually bend the weather/climate to our will?

No one really knows for sure... any attempt that stands a very small chance of working is going to cost an insane amount of wealth yearly...forever with no clear end in sight.

So I say this.

Instead of punishing people and countries to no real effect, we need to start engineering better.
Air Pollution a problem? Engineer cleaner running plants and equipment.

Carbon a problem? Do you have ANY clue how much Carbon Dioxide alone is released into the air? The grass,weeds and tress are growing like a mother fucker anywhere they can get water!

By the way turning Sea Water into fresh water has become easier and more cost efficient in the last few years.

The oceans and seas are going to rise. NOTHING we do is going to stop it, Not now not five hundred years from now. There are under water cities being discovered yearly and they are about to have company so we need to start building further inland...It's not like we have a choice about it.

and much more...

 

[OldJourno]

So tell me. Since climate change is a world-wide "problem" what will the average temperature be in 5-10-100 years with those heroic State efforts to "combat climate change?"

Follow-up: if the earth decides it is time for another ice age, what will be the States response to "combat" that climate change?

I posed this question a few months back. Since the science is settled, what will happen to the climate if the U.S. follows the Obama EPA recommendations down to the last kwh? How much will temperature decrease?

 

[phrodeau]

I am pleased that you agree with me that the incorporation clause only applies to the 14th amendment.

Historically, many States had State-sponsored religions. Only the Federal Government is forbidden from establishing a religion. If California wants to join and support your church (at their sole expense) that is fine with me.



So tell me. Since climate change is a world-wide "problem" what will the average temperature be in 5-10-100 years with those heroic State efforts to "combat climate change?"

Follow-up: if the earth decides it is time for another ice age, what will be the States response to "combat" that climate change?

I posed this question a few months back. Since the science is settled, what will happen to the climate if the U.S. follows the Obama EPA recommendations down to the last kwh? How much will temperature decrease?

I do like it when people think I'm Carl Sagan.

One answer can be found in this article: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...change-policy-wont-change-global-temperatures

If the Obama administration's Climate Action Plan – a 17 percent reduction in U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 – were to be implemented immediately, what temperature reduction would that yield by the year 2100?

The answer: 15 one-thousandths of a degree.

Whoop-de-do, right? But the important thing is that there will be a reduction. Temperatures will stop increasing.

If we do nothing to reduce emissions, the temperatures will continue to climb.

 

[OldJourno]

I do like it when people think I'm Carl Sagan.

One answer can be found in this article: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...change-policy-wont-change-global-temperatures

Whoop-de-do, right? But the important thing is that there will be a reduction. Temperatures will stop increasing.

If we do nothing to reduce emissions, the temperatures will continue to climb.

If the temperature doesn't increase by 15 one-thousandths of a degree, I'll save $150 a month on air conditioning.
Of course, to achieve that gigantic decrease in temperature, it will be necessary for the government to outlaw air conditioning.

 

[Libsam]

I don't think we should stop trying to be cleaner and reducing waste, but the way it is being pushed is just grating. After all, Americans are known for their obsession with cleanliness. The perfume world is hilarious, foreigners love to make of Americans prudish sensibilities.

Anyways.
Acid rain was real. I was old enough to remember how quickly we were able to reverse the localized problems and how surprised people were that it was cleaned up so fast.

Then we started working on coal scrubbers, and as soon as we perfected them we quit using coal. Then we went to war for oil! (Coincidence?)

 

[thør]

Acid rain was real.

Warming temperatures are real, too.

 

[Libsam]

Warming temperatures are real, too.

I agree, but I don't agree that it is all anthropogenic.

 

[Conager]

I agree, but I don't agree that it is all anthropogenic.

Heretic!

 

[Adre]

He had voters. Less than 2% of whom report regretting their choice. If a rematch were held today, He would also win the meaningless popularity contest, since his opponent's popularity in defeat has eroded by larger margin.

So there are more suckers now than last November? Hmm. (Let's wait and see how they like no wall, few new jobs, no new factories, worse health coverage, lower taxes for the 1%.)

 

[Conager]

So there are more suckers now than last November? Hmm. (Let's wait and see how they like no wall, few new jobs, no new factories, worse health coverage, lower taxes for the 1%.)

You left out, "No Shrillary."

 

[phrodeau]

If the temperature doesn't increase by 15 one-thousandths of a degree, I'll save $150 a month on air conditioning.
Of course, to achieve that gigantic decrease in temperature, it will be necessary for the government to outlaw air conditioning.

Is math a hard subject for you? It isn't the absence of an increase, it's a deduction.

Learn the difference, and you might save even more money on your 1040.

 

[OldJourno]

Is math a hard subject for you? It isn't the absence of an increase, it's a deduction.

Learn the difference, and you might save even more money on your 1040.

Either way, that tiny, tiny fraction of a degree represents just a jaw-dropping figure in the war on climate whatzis.

 

[Hard_Rom]

If it doesn't affect me personally right now or interfere with my TV watching why should I care. I'll just turn up the AC a bit more.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Can we actually bend the weather/climate to our will?

We bend it willy-nilly. Changing the natural world is what humans do, it is our specialty. We have been doing it ever since the first crops were planted, ever since the first beasts were domesticated, ever since the first proto-hominid figured out he could change the shape of a rock by striking it against another rock. Humans change the world wherever we go -- even the most technologically primitive humans; the North American landscape when Columbus landed was very different from what it was when the first humans arrived on the continent, and I mean even more different that what natural climate change might have accounted for, you can read the story in American Colonies: The Settling of North America, by Alan Taylor.

And the above encompasses both intended and unintended effects -- e.g., Euros hunting North American beavers (stop snickering, you know what I mean) in the 17th and 18th Centuries was enough to eliminate a lot of wetlands, and that sort of thing does affect weather/climate.

 

[thør]

Either way, that tiny, tiny fraction of a degree represents just a jaw-dropping figure in the war on climate whatzis.

It's not so tiny in the north.

 

[thør]

If it doesn't affect me personally right now or interfere with my TV watching why should I care. I'll just turn up the AC a bit more.

Put a fire on, too.

 

[trysail]

For god's sake, whatever you do, don't let facts get in the way.

0.27°C.​

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...and you still haven't got any idea "why."
...and you still haven't got any idea how much (i.e., attribution— natural or anthropogenic).
...and you still don't know what climate sensitivity is.




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