How much does art really influence society and politics?

[KingOrfeo]

E.g., would the Civil War still have happened if Uncle Tom's Cabin had never been published? Would the '60s have gone any differently if the Beatles had never made a hit?

 

[Wrong Element]

Hard to say because everything is intertwined. In the case of Uncle Tom's Cabin, it didn't start a movement so much as reflect that a movement was already underway.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

art imitates life

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lot of variables that change the influence.

Hard to put a "how much" on it without getting more specific.

One thing is for sure, it ain't shit compared to money.

 

[phrodeau]

When Picasso's "Guernica" toured Europe and America in 1939, the exhibitions raised funds for refugees of the Spanish Civil War.

 

[Rightguide]

E.g., would the Civil War still have happened if Uncle Tom's Cabin had never been published? Would the '60s have gone any differently if the Beatles had never made a hit?

I don't know, but it shouldn't be subsidized by our tax money.

 

[phrodeau]

I don't know, but it shouldn't be subsidized by our tax money.

Yeah, we know. First graders need to buy their own finger paints.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yeah, we know. First graders need to buy their own finger paints.

The federal government is the only one that can provide finger paints to first graders hua?

Let me guess....200 bucks a cup and your homies in the DNC own the ONLY factory with a licence?? You're a good Democrap Phro.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I don't know, but it shouldn't be subsidized by our tax money.

The NEA does a lot of good, and costs practically nothing in proportion to the federal budget.

 

[phrodeau]

The federal government is the only one that can provide finger paints to first graders hua?

Let me guess....200 bucks a cup and your homies in the DNC own the ONLY factory with a licence?? You're a good Democrap Phro.

Do you have any knowledge of how schools are funded? It doesn't show.

 

[KingOrfeo]

When Picasso's "Guernica" toured Europe and America in 1939, the exhibitions raised funds for refugees of the Spanish Civil War.

But it did not change the course of the war.

 

[thør]

This is NOT art.

It's vandalism.

 

[KingOrfeo]

This is NOT art.

It's vandalism.

BART: Is this art or vandalism?

HOMER [preparing to flood Springfield as a Christo-style art project]: We'll leave that for the courts to decide!

(The Eurotrash artists, at any rate, love the result.)

 

[renard_ruse]

E.g., would the Civil War still have happened if Uncle Tom's Cabin had never been published? Would the '60s have gone any differently if the Beatles had never made a hit?

With the rise of electronic media, it has the ability to control people's brains.

With each new electronic media, we see a sudden cultural degeneration in society. With the rise of radio, we had the social decay of the 1920s, then with the mainstreaming of TV we saw the degeneration of the 1960s, in the 1990s until today we had the internet and computers and we've seen the most extreme cultural transformation.

The more pervasive the media, the more the New World Order can reprogram people's brains and wipe away more of traditional values and culture. Its how they control people's brains. There IS a war on for your mind.

 

[KingOrfeo]

With each new electronic media, we see a sudden cultural degeneration in society.

No, we see a cultural and intellectual improvement in society. For instance, now all the world can call up the TVTropes Useful Notes page on Political Ideologies. It covers the whole spectrum, and says nothing about any ideology to which any believer could fairly object. Therefore, Millennials have at least the access and resources to become the most politically sophisticated generation in American or human history.

 

[Phelia]

Hard to say because everything is intertwined. In the case of Uncle Tom's Cabin, it didn't start a movement so much as reflect that a movement was already underway.

This. I either don't understand what you're asking or disagree with the premise.

 

[Noor]

E.g., would the Civil War still have happened if Uncle Tom's Cabin had never been published? Would the '60s have gone any differently if the Beatles had never made a hit?

Yes, because a few things.
The civil war was about money, not freeing the slaves. Taxes from the south were being spent on the development of northern industry. The south did not like this.
Lincoln made the emancipation proclamation to destabilize the south and get more soldiers.
The abolitionism movement was well established before Uncle Tom's was published.

Art reflects society, society does not reflect art.

 

[Noor]

E.g., would the Civil War still have happened if Uncle Tom's Cabin had never been published? Would the '60s have gone any differently if the Beatles had never made a hit?

This. I either don't understand what you're asking or disagree with the premise.

I am disagreeing!

The Beatles would have never been a hit here if society was not ready for the Beatles.

 

[magicalmoments]

Hitler had New Zealand cartoonist David Low on his death list. And it wasn't because his art was lousy or ineffective.

 

[Rightguide]

The NEA does a lot of good, and costs practically nothing in proportion to the federal budget.

So do a lot of people and organizations. From the author of the Constitution:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”


― James Madison

 

[BotanyBoy]

Do you have any knowledge of how schools are funded? It doesn't show.

Said the guy who thinks first graders will have to buy their paint if the godlike nanny state isn't given all the money it wants.

 

[phrodeau]

Said the guy who thinks first graders will have to buy their paint if the godlike nanny state isn't given all the money it wants.

Surprise, most first graders in the US already do have to buy their own paints.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Surprise, most first graders in the US already do have to buy their own paints.

Surprise, most first graders in the US don't buy anything, because they are five or six years old.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[Christobal]

In my opinion the government should never buy art. How the hell do they know what they are doing. Maybe by a committee? If your art has value regular people buy it.