One World Goverment

[BotanyBoy]

That sounds like something a Communist would say.

LOL communist are now laissez faire liberals and libertarians.....only in the warped world of KO.


A communist sees no problem with us all suffering for Wall. St.'s problems and supported the bailouts, government intervention regulation and control over the economy is all good all the time!


It's the capitalist who were screaming let them burn......

 

[Ishmael]

All the developed countries have low birth rates. And aging population of baby boomers. Why the fuck do you think we need immigrants? Getting to the point we can't even afford to be too picky over who we let in. Good god damn thing many areas of the world are fucking shitholes or we would be having to offer incentives to attract immigrants.

You want to know when America was great? When it had a birth rate that beat sub-Saharan Africa.

Yeah, get rid of the welfare state. Force folk to have 5-7 kids so they can be assured of one of them supporting them in their old age. Just figure out a way to slip that past aging baby boomer voters who use Medicare and government old age pensions. Good luck, dreamer!

There is an underlying premise to your statement, that being that we need immigrants. And you make an argument in that regard based on past history.

I counter with, "We don't need immigrants at all." And especially we don't need the uneducated, unskilled, and unhealthy. At least not unless we intend to build a little "Planet of the Apes" society but use the immigrants rather than genetically alter the great apes.

I don't know whether you've been paying attention to the advances in technology or not but a Burger chain in CA. is deploying burger flipping robots. Virtually every mundane, repetitive, and semi-skilled job is going to be robots in the future. So exactly what are these uneducated, unskilled, and unhealthy immigrants supposed to be doing?

The only reason that any advanced nation would want to bring in hordes of the uneducated, unskilled, and unhealthy is panic on the various governments part to convince their populations that they need these immigrants when the reality is that those governments see their tax base eroding and consequently their power and it scares the shit out of them. A new paradigm is needed because flooding the nation with individuals that will just end up on the dole isn't the answer anymore.

Ishmael

 

[EternalFantasies]

Yea. He's going on my ignore list right now. And anyone who argues with this troll is a moron. he's only seeking to extract your opinion and energy. he has no sense of objective in his conversations.

Please if you must debate with kingoforeos, do not quote him.

 

[Maidboy]

How?
In what sense is the most REGULATED and tightly enforced economy of all fucking time unbridled capitalism?

Who are you talking about? Nazi Germany? A perfect example of industrialists backing an authoritarian regime and writing the rules for their own benefit.

The "Socialist Workers Party" moniker was nothing more than a political marketing ploy.

 

[KingOrfeo]

LOL communist are now laissez faire liberals and libertarians.....only in the warped world of KO.

I meant, a Communist would say, "Capitalism would have LET THEM BURN and suffer the naturally occurring consequences of their actions." Because that would be a way for a Communist to say something bad about capitalism. A person who would use that to say something good about capitalism is neither a Communist nor a Libertarian, but a Psychopath.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Yea. He's going on my ignore list right now. And anyone who argues with this troll is a moron. he's only seeking to extract your opinion and energy. he has no sense of objective in his conversations.

Please if you must debate with kingoforeos, do not quote him.

How about if we support his political views, can we quote him? A bit over the top usually but not entirely wrong in his opinions.

 

[EternalFantasies]

How about if we support his political views, can we quote him? A bit over the top usually but not entirely wrong in his opinions.

no no, I can't impose surely.

By all means; please excuse my presumptuousness.

 

[Hard_Rom]

no no, I can't impose surely.

By all means; please excuse my presumptuousness.

I'll give it some thought.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who are you talking about?

USA, 12MARCH2017.

A perfect example of industrialists backing an authoritarian regime and writing the rules for their own benefit.

Right, and what's capitalist about that?

The "Socialist Workers Party" moniker was nothing more than a political marketing ploy.

The government had very tight control over the industrial activities of it's people, it was textbook socialism.

Might have been right wing nationalist socialism, but socialism none the less.

I meant, a Communist would say, "Capitalism would have LET THEM BURN and suffer the naturally occurring consequences of their actions." Because that would be a way for a Communist to say something bad about capitalism. A person who would use that to say something good about capitalism is neither a Communist nor a Libertarian, but a Psychopath.

LMFAO!! Now THAT is something a communist would say.

Letting the people who crash their company deal with the consequences of their actions makes you a psychopath?

In what bizzaro, universe is letting the super rich feel the sting of their own fuck-ups a psychotic thing to suggest?? Will your coddling of the 0.01% ever end KO?

 

[KingOrfeo]

LMFAO!! Now THAT is something a communist would say.

Letting the people who crash their company deal with the consequences of their actions makes you a psychopath?

You were not clearly talking about the super rich, and it's still not clear you're not. It was not the Obama Admin's lenience with or severity to them that saved milllions of Americans from falling into utter poverty because of the 2008 recession; many were so saved, and by means you would find morally unacceptable, because capitalism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You were not clearly talking about the super rich, and it's still not clear you're not.

Who the fuck else demands a trillion from congress for crashing their shit and gets it by the end of the day???

Who else could you possibly think I was talking about KO?

It was not the Obama Admin's lenience with or severity to them that saved milllions of Americans from falling into utter poverty because of the 2008 recession;

I didn't say shit about Obama even though he was on board with handing the richest people to have ever existed mega bonuses for fucking everyone up the ass.

And no they wouldn't have fallen into utter poverty, that's just what you were told would happen to make you feel better about the government robbing your grandkids to make sure JP Morgan execs still got their 80 million dollar Christmas bonuses.

It was a direct money funnel up....so they could keep the butt fuck going.

many were so saved, and by means you would find morally unacceptable, because capitalism.

The only people saved were the ultra rich, because socialism.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The only people saved were the ultra rich, because socialism.

Because capitalism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because capitalism.

The government forcing money from the poor and giving that money to the ultra rich is not capitalism, it is socialism.

Maybe not the socialism you want, but it is socialism.

Capitalism says if they want a Trillion bucks for crashing their companies they have to do something to get it.

They have to get the consent of the people.....unlike force of government who just takes it at gunpoint (socialism).

You still don't understand consent vs force do you?

 

[toeskr]

The government forcing money from the poor and giving that money to the ultra rich is not capitalism, it is socialism.

Maybe not the socialism you want, but it is socialism.

Capitalism says if they want a Trillion bucks for crashing their companies they have to do something to get it.

They have to get the consent of the people.....unlike force of government who just takes it at gunpoint (socialism).

You still don't understand consent vs force do you?

KO and others will never understand the real world.
Thank you bot boy for not bowing to the left or right, just laying out the facts.
It is refreshing and hilarious to see you put others in their place and never be painted into a preconceived corner.

 

[Maidboy]

Thank you bot boy for not bowing to the left or right, just laying out the facts.

Socialism! Socialism! Socialism!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yZHveWFvqM

 

[BotanyBoy]

Socialism! Socialism! Socialism!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yZHveWFvqM

It is what it is. Sometimes socialism is good, but it's a double edged sword and can go horrifyingly wrong at the drop of a hat too.

At least he's not trying to push the "Government that I like is socialism and all the horrible stuff it does is capitalism!!" bullshit lies socialist push.

 

[toeskr]

Socialism! Socialism! Socialism!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yZHveWFvqM

Who's maid are you boy?
You fuck weeds are in a totally different reality from the rest of the world.

 

[Not Normal]

*stalk*

Corporations have been known to split off different business divisions. Maybe it is time for the US to split apart.

Maybe the red state federal welfare cases can apply to the OWG for relief.

I actually do often wonder what would have happened if Lincoln had let the south secede. Would there be more nations in North America? Being smaller lnations would they be more like Europe, and maybe actually have governments that do things to benefit its people?

 

[toeskr]

I actually do often wonder what would have happened if Lincoln had let the south secede. Would there be more nations in North America? Being smaller lnations would they be more like Europe, and maybe actually have governments that do things to benefit its people?

No. It would have been a short matter of time to take them back over.
I really don't see how smaller European nations do shit to help their people without sucking off the teats of American generosity. We feed way too many nations, most hostile to us. I guess it is the supposed pay for peace plan. I say cut all the fuckers off and see how they fend for themselves.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It is what it is.

And it isn't what it isn't. Once again, please do not post again until you have typed the following 100 times without once using the copy-and-paste function:

Regulation is not socialism.

Taxation is not socialism.

Crony capitalism is not socialism.

What we have now is not socialism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Regulation is not socialism.

Taxation is not socialism.

Crony capitalism is not socialism.

What we have now is not socialism.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.





Sorry you're in so much denial about what socialism is KO.



And there is no such thing as crony capitalism, the term is a misnomer and political pejorative.

 

[KingOrfeo]

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.





Sorry you're in so much denial about what socialism is KO.

That's not the definition.

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Regulation != ownership.

Taxation != ownership.

And there is no such thing as crony capitalism, the term is a misnomer and political pejorative.

The term is the best name yet coined for something that really exists.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's not the definition.

It is the definition according to google and is in line with all the other definitions including the one your particular choice.

Which happens to be EVEN BETTER LOL!!!!!


Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them


Regulation, taxation and what we have now are VERY socialist.....in a form called corporatism.

If the bureaucrats were calling the shots our corporations are? We'd call it Soviet style communism.

The term is the best name for something that really exists.

No, it's a political pejorative and misnomer.

The term you're looking for is corporatism.

Corporatism, also known as corporativism,[1] is the sociopolitical organization of a society by major interest groups, known as corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labour, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, on the basis of their common interests.

 

[Maidboy]

It is what it is. Sometimes socialism is good, but it's a double edged sword and can go horrifyingly wrong at the drop of a hat too.

At least you acknowledge that socialism isn't necessarily bad. I agree that it can go horribly wrong, but so can capitalism. More so with capitalism imho, since it doesn't concern itself with the well being of citizens in times of economic crises. Socialism does, in theory anyway if not always in practice.

Socialism & capitalism are economic systems, while communism, fascism and democracy etc, are political systems. Granted that the two are inextricably linked, but different economic systems can operate under different forms of government...

Former Soviet Union: Authoritarian communist regime with socialist economy.

Russian Federation: Authoritarian Mafia state with vestiges of socialism and a perverse form of capitalism.

Nazi Germany: Fascist dictatorship with a mixed economy, mostly capitalist.

China: Communist military dictatorship with economy transitioning from socialism to capitalism.

Current day Western Europe: Flawed democracies with mixed economies along various ends of the capitalist-socialist spectrum, but mostly socialist. Norway is more socialist than the more capitalistic UK for example.

U.S.A.: Flawed democracy with mixed economy, mostly capitalist.

A reasoned debate on the relative merits of different economic & political systems is impossible without some sort of agreement over definition of terms. Agreed?

 

[KingOrfeo]

A reasoned debate on the relative merits of different economic & political systems is impossible without some sort of agreement over definition of terms. Agreed?

You must be new here. Bot will agree to that in principle but will never agree to any terms or definitions but his own.