An offer Planned Parenthood can't refuse

[hashtag46]

1) In some states, Planned Parenthood is the only place to get an abortion. Republicans keep trying to pass laws and make it harder to get them for women in need. Many of those like the law in Texas have been deemed unconstitutional

2) No, republicans are against free contraception as BotanyBitch stated below. They recently voted to have it removed from Health Coverage http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/01/the-senate-just-voted-to-roll-back-womens-healthcare.html

3.Perhaps you would be better using the internet to look things up instead of basing your opinions on the views on whether or not someone was nice to you.
Just saying'

1.2Thanks

3.Lol I just agreed with what you said + paid you an indirect compliment because your post made more sense than many others in this thread.
Plus I'm not keen to browse through pages of tedious congress proposals and resolutions.

Oh, when are you going to give your AJ and Ish boner a rest?

 

[zipman]

1.2Thanks

3.Lol I just agreed with what you said + paid you an indirect compliment because your post made more sense than many others in this thread.
Plus I'm not keen to browse through pages of tedious congress proposals and resolutions.

Oh, when are you going to give your AJ and Ish boner a rest?

1) it's not about you paying me an indirect compliment or agreeing with me. It's about you learning how to find information for yourself and make up your own mind. I can assure you that some of the people you "believe" are the least objective.

2) This thread wasn't started by either one of them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No federal funds pay for abortions at Planned Parenthood you moron.

Liar liar liars....a bunch of fuckin' liars. It's all going in the same pot under the same banner.

Ya'll just want someone else to pay for your abortions and your too chicken shit to admit it because doing so would expose what fuckin' degenerates you are.

And republicans are against free contraception because they believe in the same nonsense that you do, abstinence.

They are against "free contraception" because it's not free you idiot.

I don't believe in abstinence, but it is the only free contraceptive.

Yes, they are. Any economist will tell you so.

Only the ones with the most bleeding hearts.

100,000 dollar cars are available at car dealerships all over the country.

That doesn't mean everyone can afford one or that everyone who can afford one has access to them. Abortions and contraceptives are just another service/good not any different than a new Corvette ZR1.

Affordability =/= availability.

 

[Miles]

And I'm sure all those Planned Parenthood defenders here would agree, after they told us time and again that 98 percent of what PP provides has nothing to do with abortion.
That being the case, there is no logical reason Planned Parenthood should turn Trump's offer down. The offer: Full funding if PP stops providing abortions.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...d-parenthood-funds-if-it-halts-abortions.html

Fake news.

On topic; Trump is bullying PP and they aren't having any part of it. Good for them.

 

[KingOrfeo]

100,000 dollar cars are available at car dealerships all over the country.

That doesn't mean everyone can afford one or that everyone who can afford one has access to them.

It does mean they are less available, in an economic sense, than $20,000 cars.

 

[hashtag46]

1) it's not about you paying me an indirect compliment or agreeing with me. It's about you learning how to find information for yourself and make up your own mind. I can assure you that some of the people you "believe" are the least objective.

2) This thread wasn't started by either one of them.

Make up my mind about what?

I was always clear that I am overall pro- choice + gor free or afgordable contraception
In saying that, it's a very complex ethical issue re the rights of the foetus so to speak (it's not just a collection of cells, and science hasn't advanced to that degree to be able to tell us more about it's inner functioning) and the rights of the mother.

Because of that, I am empathetic towards those women who had max. two, mayyybe three abortions in their lifetime. But more than that it's sloppy and it looks as if they are using abortion as a method of contraception, which is unacceptable.

 

[hashtag46]

Looks like no matter how you put it, women and foetuses are getting the short end of the stick,
and men are walking away scot-free.

They should start advertising for and making reversible vasectomies free of charge too.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Looks like no matter how you put it, women and foetuses are getting the short end of the stick,
and men are walking away scot-free.

Human condition.

 

[EternalFantasies]

This made me laugh.

Its president has spurned the proposal and noted that federal money already is not allowed to be used for abortion.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It does mean they are less available, in an economic sense, than $20,000 cars.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ok....yes and that economic sense is what we call. affordability and it has nothing to do with the fact that the product or service is in fact available.


Affordable=/=available unless you're pushing dishonest propaganda.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Looks like no matter how you put it, women and foetuses are getting the short end of the stick,
and men are walking away scot-free.

How?

What are men getting away with scott free?

They should start advertising for and making reversible vasectomies free of charge too.

LOL yea do it....watch the (D)'s freak out and claim that men should have to pay but women not, because EQUALITY.

 

[KingOrfeo]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ok....yes and that economic sense is what we call. affordability and it has nothing to do with the fact that the product or service is in fact available.


Affordable=/=available unless you're pushing dishonest propaganda.

Unaffordable = unavailable if you're a poor woman who wants an abortion, and that's what all this is about.

 

[zipman]

Liar liar liars....a bunch of fuckin' liars. It's all going in the same pot under the same banner.

Ya'll just want someone else to pay for your abortions and your too chicken shit to admit it because doing so would expose what fuckin' degenerates you are.



They are against "free contraception" because it's not free you idiot.

I don't believe in abstinence, but it is the only free contraceptive.

Your still being a fucking idiot/

The Hyde Amendment, passed in 1976 and affirmed by the Supreme Court in 1980, prohibits federal funds from being used for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother. The law effectively leaves the decision of funding abortion to the states, and most states choose not to.

As for free contraception, it is far cheaper to provide to provide it than to pay for the costs of unwanted pregnancies for poor people. But you would rather stick to your bullshit position because...republican dogma tells you to.

 

[Magicscreen2]

Someone square for me an opposition to both abortions and birth control.

I'm sure it makes sense, but I've just never been able to find it.

 

[Disgustipated]

Your still being a fucking idiot

Oy!!!

 

[Christobal]

Last time I bought a bought a box of condoms it was cheaper than a bottle of booze or a drink at a bar. This is affordable contraception.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Someone square for me an opposition to both abortions and birth control.

I'm sure it makes sense, but I've just never been able to find it.

Sure, just adopt the Wingnut Mindset:

A woman has two basic functions

• To accept her husband's seed regularly and birth as many babies as possible
• To carry her husband's failed insemination attempts from the marital bed to the toilet

Abortion and/or birth control interfere with the two prime directives above.

 

[hashtag46]

They recently voted to have Contraception removed from Health Coverage http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/01/the-senate-just-voted-to-roll-back-womens-healthcare.html

I just browsed through the article.
Absofreaking unbelievable:

"One of the many amendments Republicans struck down was one in support of requiring insurance companies to cover the cost of contraceptives.

The Senate also voted against an amendment that would support maintaining a preexisting-conditions protection for health insurance.."

How come nobody started a thread on this?

 

[hashtag46]

On second thought:

I was told by friends who live there that the US HealthCare Insurance system, Obamacare included (even if it's more humane than the previous system) are a big cock-up.
To put it a bit more simplistic: One of the main reasons for that is that the Middle Class are overcharged in order to pay coverage for the poor, while the Insurance Companies continue to make exorbitant profits.

And that ideally, it would need to be gradually changed into a better system that would still make Healthcare available for all. But by shifting the financial burden more onto the very rich, instead of attempting to hollow out the Middle Class.

If that's what Republicans had in mind -instead of it being just an irresponsible and callous attack on the poor as massmedia suggests-
They should have come up with a viable alternative plan, at the same time that they proposed the changes re pre-existing conditions.

 

[Peach102]

Of course there is. Abortion is a very important part of what PP does, even if it only accounts for 2% of its activities.

My response would have been principal, but your answer works.4

I would also offer this question in response: If abortion is just 2% of what they do, why remove all federal funding.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Looks like RAINDANCER fled to a safe place when she couldn't defend her blabber.

Morality's other name is POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. The right folks get together and anoint and appoint their favorite conduct for all.

But a few of us toil to get at the heart of conduct via moral philosophy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Unaffordable = unavailable

No it's not....it means you need to get a job.

if you're a poor woman who wants an abortion,

Or buy a condom, and use it.

Your still being a fucking idiot/

Oh look the 3rd grade behavior never ceases, shocking

The Hyde Amendment, passed in 1976 and affirmed by the Supreme Court in 1980, prohibits federal funds from being used for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother. The law effectively leaves the decision of funding abortion to the states, and most states choose not to.

Yea...aaaaaaaand I don't care. PP's a clinic who get's paid them tax dollars!

As for free contraception, it is far cheaper to provide to provide it than to pay for the costs of unwanted pregnancies for poor people.

So stop paying them.

But you would rather stick to your bullshit position because...republican dogma tells you to.

I'm not even remotely close to being a Republican.

Enjoy sitting in your wrongness.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Someone square for me an opposition to both abortions and birth control.

I'm sure it makes sense, but I've just never been able to find it.

No one is opposing abortions.

The left won.

The right just doesn't want to pay for the shit.

Pay for your own abortions....no problems.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Someone square for me an opposition to both abortions and birth control.

I'm sure it makes sense, but I've just never been able to find it.

It's very simple: Social-religious conservatives see both as immoral. They see recreational, non-reproductive sex as immoral; the only acceptable form of birth control is abstinence.

 

[KingOrfeo]

On second thought:

I was told by friends who live there that the US HealthCare Insurance system, Obamacare included (even if it's more humane than the previous system) are a big cock-up.
To put it a bit more simplistic: One of the main reasons for that is that the Middle Class are overcharged in order to pay coverage for the poor, while the Insurance Companies continue to make exorbitant profits.

And that ideally, it would need to be gradually changed into a better system that would still make Healthcare available for all. But by shifting the financial burden more onto the very rich, instead of attempting to hollow out the Middle Class.

If that's what Republicans had in mind . . .

The Republicans would never have anything remotely like that in mind.