The Donald accuses Barry of wiretapping Trump Tower after the election

[4est_4est_Gump]

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Take the NYTimes, for example. They just wrote that there is no proof that Trump was bugged. The thing is, as Mark Levin points out, that they previously reported that the NSA did tap him and that as he was on the way out, Obama gave them permission to share it with other agencies and dropped the levels of classification in order to disseminate it to his holdovers in office who are the leakers of unverifiable information.

Now, you tell me, is he supposed to do like Dubya, Mitty and McQueeg and just roll over and let Barry give him a belly rub before dismissing him from office?

Oh, and I use these terms because despite Fro-DOH!'s contention that I am the media, I am not the media nor do I play that part on TV.

As you wallow through the responses to Trump's assertion regarding being "bugged" you begin to notice a pattern emerge, a very narrow pattern of semantic definitions to the issue couched in the broadest of application.

Obama says, "Nope, I didn't order it."

Comey says, "Nope, the president (Obama) didn't order it."

Fine, but someone damn sure ordered something because the press has assured us that the FBI has transcripts of relevant phone calls.

So, just who did order those wire taps? And 'No', I'm not interested in the "the FISA court authorized it" crap. Someone brought an affidavit before that court to receive the authorization, who was that someone? Did the sitting AG know what was happening? What did Lynch know and when did she know it? And are we to be led to believe that the sitting president was kept in the dark regarding the wire tapping of the phones of the leading opposition candidate and his advisors? And just who is leaking this information to the press?

The narrowness of the semantic defense the left is trying to mount only leads to more questions and is more or less confirmation that Trump and Assc. were indeed 'bugged.'

Perhaps an investigation is warranted, a criminal investigation into the behavior of the 'criminal investigators' themselves.

Ishmael

Not unlike Lois Lerner using the IRS to target the TEA Party, no one needed to be ordered all they had to do was listen to President Obama, pay attention to the behind the scenes moves he was making, and then act in the best interests of Party and Elite Class membership of which once again, we see Director Comey terrified of being purged and speaking out to protect his position.

But Obama most certainly knew about the bugging (thanks to Snowden) did nothing to prevent it and made it easier to access by all sorts of loyalists who got to stay in their positions of power and taking cues from the left decided that using this power wasn't abuse but right and proper action because, well, Trump is crazy, in over his head, unqualified, a lout, a fucking embryonic Hitler...,

 

[water505]

These are classic and predictable responses from leftists.

Everything evil conservatives say is a lie. Anything they do is stupid, racist, homophobic, etc. Meanwhile in their feeble minds it's virtually impossible for Democrats to do anything wrong.

They're the three monkeys who see, hear, and speak no evil.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

These are classic and predictable responses from leftists.

Everything evil conservatives say is a lie. Anything they do is stupid, racist, homophobic, etc. Meanwhile in their feeble minds it's virtually impossible for Democrats to do anything wrong.

They're the three monkeys who see, hear, and speak no evil.

The 3-D monkeys...

 

[Conager]

As you wallow through the responses to Trump's assertion regarding being "bugged" you begin to notice a pattern emerge, a very narrow pattern of semantic definitions to the issue couched in the broadest of application.

Obama says, "Nope, I didn't order it."

Comey says, "Nope, the president (Obama) didn't order it."

Fine, but someone damn sure ordered something because the press has assured us that the FBI has transcripts of relevant phone calls.

So, just who did order those wire taps? And 'No', I'm not interested in the "the FISA court authorized it" crap. Someone brought an affidavit before that court to receive the authorization, who was that someone? Did the sitting AG know what was happening? What did Lynch know and when did she know it? And are we to be led to believe that the sitting president was kept in the dark regarding the wire tapping of the phones of the leading opposition candidate and his advisors? And just who is leaking this information to the press?

The narrowness of the semantic defense the left is trying to mount only leads to more questions and is more or less confirmation that Trump and Assc. were indeed 'bugged.'

Perhaps an investigation is warranted, a criminal investigation into the behavior of the 'criminal investigators' themselves.

Ishmael

Clearly, Trump suspects wrong-doing. He should not "order" anything but strongly chortle how turn-about is fair-play. Then some un-named government functionary, totally not under orders, should go before the FISA court and get taps on various Democrat Senator's phones as well as those of any reporters suspected of being conduits for leaks of classified methods and materials.

Then watch the squawks about how the previous administrations actions were totally different and entirely justifiable.

Side note: From what I gathered reading in that piece quoting NSA whistleblower. . . basically the NSA is a giant vacuum cleaner and collects and stores absolutely everything- voice, data, text, you name it. Anyone with clearence to access hge NSA database and this includes CIA and FBI can go in and retrieve whatever they want and there is no audit trail of who accessed what and why. If true, it needs to be burned to the ground.

 

[JohnnySavage]

The 3-D monkeys...

As an Independent, I'm sure you find this quote equally true:

These are classic and predictable responses from right.

Everything evil liberals say is a lie. Anything they do is stupid, racist, homophobic, etc. Meanwhile in their feeble minds it's virtually impossible for Republicans to do anything wrong.

They're the three monkeys who see, hear, and speak no evil.

 

[water505]

I think liberals are wrong. They think conservatives are evil. How often do you see leftists criticizing their own?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Nope Johnny. The Right is the first one to throw an embarrassment under the bus and the Left circles the wagons and attacks to destroy the accuser(s). In that scenario, no one even cares about the truth, least of all the Left. They're Hegelian nihilists. The Right is your Lion's Club and Masons. The Left is still the Klan with a new target.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Case in point. The Democrats decided that meeting with the Russian Ambassador was tantamount to a conspiracy with the Russians. One-by-one, they proclaimed, we never met with the Russian Ambassador, until the internet provided the pictures. Even when the picture of her and the Ambassador emerged, Nancy Pelosi doubled-down and said she could not remember meeting him...

Sessions said yes, I met with him, and if it makes you on the Left happy, I will recuse myself from the Russian investigation. Did it make the Left happy? NO! Once again the Republican gave an inch and they immediately turned to demanding the mile.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

It occurred to me the struggle with Trump and the Democrats may be a struggle with Trump and the Chinese.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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Now to why, if I were a Democrat, I'd be afraid. To explore that you don't need to be some super-experienced attorney like Andrew McCarthy, although that doesn't hurt. Rusty old Occam's Razor will do -- just change the blade and ask some obvious questions somehow overlooked by the MSM in this weekend's chat shows. These questions, needless to say, might best be asked under oath by a congressional committee. Later, they might even have to be dealt with in a court of law, as attorney Robert Barnes details well in this article.

Would an attorney general (in this case Loretta Lynch) normally inform the White House of a decision to go to a FISA court for approval of the tapping of a political presidential opponent? Did Ms. Lynch so inform the White House? Was there any discussion of this decision between the WH and the DOJ? Why did the Justice Department decide to go back to the FISA court in October for a second try at approval? Whose idea was that? Did they did have additional information? What was that? Was Trump's name included in the brief the first time but omitted in the second? Why? If none of this happened, who made it up and why? That makes no sense, considering how easy it would be to disprove. Unless, of course, although it's not supposed to happen, the NSA just regularly taps everything and everybody, including presidential candidates, the president elect, and the president himself. But why then on Jan 12 of this year, again according to the New York Times, did the Obama administration suddenly broadly extend the powers of the NSA?

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Roger L. Simon, PJMedia.com

 

[Parminderjeet]

Nope Johnny. The Right is the first one to throw an embarrassment under the bus and the Left circles the wagons and attacks to destroy the accuser(s). In that scenario, no one even cares about the truth, least of all the Left. They're Hegelian nihilists. The Right is your Lion's Club and Masons. The Left is still the Klan with a new target.

What a dumb prairee nigger. Do you actually believe the crap you write?

 

[Rightguide]

Nope Johnny. The Right is the first one to throw an embarrassment under the bus and the Left circles the wagons and attacks to destroy the accuser(s). In that scenario, no one even cares about the truth, least of all the Left. They're Hegelian nihilists. The Right is your Lion's Club and Masons. The Left is still the Klan with a new target.

Mark Levin has a saying, "right against left, is right against wrong."

Seems right to me.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I've caught his show in the past a time or two doing the obligatory evening taxi service for my daughter's violin lessons.

He is one right excitable little dude.

 

[Rightguide]

What a dumb prairee nigger. Do you actually believe the crap you write?

Let's see can't even spell "prairie," has an Indian name, "Parminderjeet,"tell us, do you live in the Midwest...on the prairie?

 

[Rightguide]

I've caught his show in the past a time or two doing the obligatory evening taxi service for my daughter's violin lessons.

He is one right excitable little dude.

Saw him on Fox and Friends yesterday morning laying out the chronology of news reports from last year outlining the intel surveillance of Trump and Sessions. Along with being a radio talk show host Mark is a formidable attorney.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Saw him on Fox and Friends yesterday morning laying out the chronology of news reports from last year outlining the intel surveillance of Trump and Sessions. Along with being a radio talk show host Mark is a formidable attorney.

I saw clips of that in the wee morning hours, which is why I was discussing it.

I listened to Limbaugh praise him to the rafters many times in the past.

 

[Rightguide]

I saw clips of that in the wee morning hours, which is why I was discussing it.

I listened to Limbaugh praise him to the rafters many times in the past.

I've read and passed along all of his books over the years. Men in Black was a pretty good indictment of the SCOTUS and its history of corrupting the Constitution.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I actually have a copy of Men in Black.

It is a very good read.

 

[Rightguide]

I actually have a copy of Men in Black.

It is a very good read.

He was the Chief of Staff to Ed Meese when he was the AG in the Reagan years. One of the best books on the Constitution is The Heritage Guide To The Constitution. Ed Meese was the Chairman of the editorial advisory board for that book. I keep it handy. It is a clause by clause guide to the Constitution with the applicable history of legal cites guiding the interpretation and meaning of each clause. A great reference.

 

[phrodeau]

What a dumb prairee nigger. Do you actually believe the crap you write?

He does not. He's on record as saying that he likes to ruffle feathers, and has since moved on to plucking them out and applying a cayenne and sea salt rub.

 

[pointless]

I think liberals are wrong. They think conservatives are evil. How often do you see leftists criticizing their own?

fairly, but some of us don't go through life with blinders on quite as much as you do.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Did they hold violent protests? No, they assembled peacefully sang, prayed made a few speeches and cleaned up after themselves when they left.

Did they use the IRS/EPA/FEC on their political enemies? No, those were all used against them by the Deep (Democrat) State and its agencies.

Did they bug Merkel, Israel and possibly Republican Senators? No, that was the Obama Administration.

Did they play by all the rules and do the American thing of winning power by convincing people that government needed to be reformed and that we were Taxed Enough Already? And having won these elections and being sent to Washington to enact the will of their voters, was it not right and proper behavior to do just that? Yes it was.

Now, the same thing has happened for President Trump (as per the guidelines established over in Renard's thread and as per Fro-DOH!'s contention that all Lit posters are part of the Press, I will say Trump from here on out having shown the proper respect) and how has the loyal opposition behaved? Violent protests, name calling (Hitler/NAZI) never ending serious charges, the press and the Deep state are out to destroy him, everything that we would consider to be Banana Republic behavior.

Now, you keep this up, and you keep calling everyone who doesn't agree with you or see the clear and present danger that you think Trump presents all the disparaging things that you can dream up, because that worked so well for you in the last election, but at this point, between you and me, if Trump says he was bugged and the Democrats, the Deep State, the Press and you say it didn't happen...,



I'm giving Trump the benefit of the doubt because he was duly elected by the people following all the rules of the Electoral College and breaking all of the Democrat (and Press)-established rules of how a Republican is supposed to behave in the face the outrageous slings and arrows of those who feel that they are the elite and the born to rule class.

Nice try Gump, but totally non responsive and a poor attempt to deflect. What we are talking about here is the reaction from millions of citizens like me who are organizing to eliminate or marginalize the extreme right wing agenda of Trump, Bannon and Ryan. Again, how is what citizens in opposition to Trump any different from the formation of the Tea Party? We're just following their very successful example. Btw, in America we don't just practice democracy on election day. Have you read the Bill of Rights?

 

[Rightguide]

Nice try Gump, but totally non responsive and a poor attempt to deflect. What we are talking about here is the reaction from millions of citizens like me who are organizing to eliminate or marginalize the extreme right wing agenda of Trump, Bannon and Ryan. Again, how is what citizens in opposition to Trump any different from the formation of the Tea Party? We're just following their very successful example. Btw, in America we don't just practice democracy on election day. Have you read the Bill of Rights?

You might as well be standing in the middle of a windstorm trying to grunt out an audible fart. It's over.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

All pols learned from Hitler how to take care of business. And the work will make an Al Capone of you from necessity.

I've said it many times, if you wanna understand American politics look at Al Capone and Bugsy Malone of Chicago in the 20s. Capone went to prison for tax evasion not murder. Todays crooks are smarter, Simon and Shuster pays them millions for books no one will buy.

 

[zipman]

Nice try Gump, but totally non responsive and a poor attempt to deflect. What we are talking about here is the reaction from millions of citizens like me who are organizing to eliminate or marginalize the extreme right wing agenda of Trump, Bannon and Ryan. Again, how is what citizens in opposition to Trump any different from the formation of the Tea Party? We're just following their very successful example. Btw, in America we don't just practice democracy on election day. Have you read the Bill of Rights?

LOL, are you really going to try and discuss this rationally with a man who wants to give a pathological liar like Trump "the benefit of the doubt?"