The Donald accuses Barry of wiretapping Trump Tower after the election

[islandman]

Specific intent and materiality have to be proven. Did he know he was making a false statement he believed was true? If he made a statement he thought was true at the time he made it, though it was false, is not proof of perjury. Was the question all encompassing or just confined to the activities of the campaign? Sessions spoke to the Russian Ambassador, considered by US intelligence to be one of Russia's top spies and spy recruiters in Washington, in his capacity as a United States Senator.

Therein lies the rub.

First Manaford, then Flynn, now Sessions. I'm sure you can understand the concern.

 

[Rightguide]

They are all evidence of grasping at straws in attempts to deny and deflect reality.

It's a fact that Trump was surveilled under FISA. It's a fact that Sessions was surveilled under the Same authority. Those are facts, not deflections or straws to be grasped.

 

[islandman]

It's a fact that Trump was surveilled under FISA. It's a fact that Sessions was surveilled under the Same authority. Those are facts, not deflections or straws to be grasped.

FYI - http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-ca...ys-no-fisa-wiretap-court-order-against-trump/

 

[Sean]

Therein lies the rub.

Funny how not one other member of the committee felt the need to meet with Kislyak.

 

[Sean]

It's a fact that Trump was surveilled under FISA. It's a fact that Sessions was surveilled under the Same authority. Those are facts, not deflections or straws to be grasped.

Where are these facts coming from?

 

[Rightguide]

Therein lies the rub.

First Manaford, then Flynn, now Sessions. I'm sure you can understand the concern.

Not really, and I'd appreciate you not falsifying my post. Seven Democrat Senators have met with the Russian Ambassador, were they surveilled? I doubt it. Why? because they weren't running against the Democrat Presidential candidate, that's why. If the warrant was aimed at the Ambassador engaged in a conversation with an American citizen US law requires minimization, masking the identity of the citizen, and that information classified. So why was Session's conversation leaked? We know why.

 

[Sean]

Not really, and I'd appreciate you not falsifying my post. Seven Democrat Senators have met with the Russian Ambassador, were they surveilled? I doubt it. Why? because they weren't running against the Democrat Presidential candidate, that's why. If the warrant was aimed at the Ambassador engaged in a conversation with an American citizen US law requires minimization, masking the identity of the citizen, and that information classified. So why was Session's conversation leaked? We know why.

If it's no big deal, why do the Trump people keep lying about it and trying to hide the contacts?

 

[islandman]

Not really, and I'd appreciate you not falsifying my post. Seven Democrat Senators have met with the Russian Ambassador, were they surveilled? I doubt it. Why? because they weren't running against the Democrat Presidential candidate, that's why. If the warrant was aimed at the Ambassador engaged in a conversation with an American citizen US law requires minimization, masking the identity of the citizen, and that information classified. So why was Session's conversation leaked? We know why.

Is it falsifying if I make the revision blatantly obvious?

The one thing we do know is that the seven Democrat Senators had no occasion to lie under oath to Congress.

As for knowing why, you suppose why, but you really don't know why. So, why not find out exactly why? At the very least, the leaker can be identified and punished.

 

[Rightguide]

Where are these facts coming from?

The NYTs, WaPo, McClatchy, BBC, Mirror Online. I gave you the links earlier and that wasn't all.

 

[islandman]

The NYTs, WaPo, McClatchy, BBC, Mirror Online. I gave you the links earlier and that wasn't all.

I provided you a link to an interview with a person who would know who says there wasn't. He isn't an "un-named source".

 

[Rightguide]

Is it falsifying if I make the revision blatantly obvious?

The one thing we do know is that the seven Democrat Senators had no occasion to lie under oath to Congress.

As for knowing why, you suppose why, but you really don't know why. So, why not find out exactly why? At the very least, the leaker can be identified and punished.

I already said in an earlier post that an investigation is needed and the FISA applications made public. A federal grand jury should be impaneled to investigate every name of every individual who had access to that surveillance to find the person or persons who unmasked Flynn's Sessions' name. They had top have top secret clearance.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's a fact that Trump was surveilled under FISA.

It is not yet an established fact that he was surveilled at all.

 

[islandman]

I already said in an earlier post that an investigation is needed and the FISA applications made public. A federal grand jury should be impaneled to investigate every name of every individual who had access to that surveillance to find the person or persons who unmasked Flynn's Sessions' name. They had top have top secret clearance.

I haven't finished reading through the thread yet. It sounds like we're of the same opinion. Fair enough.

 

[Sean]

The NYTs, WaPo, McClatchy, BBC, Mirror Online. I gave you the links earlier and that wasn't all.

Leaving aside the fact that the Mirror is a source that a twelve year old wouldn't trust, where did the BBC etc confirm these "facts"? Actual quotes.

 

[JohnnySavage]

It's like the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy all over again!

 

[doowdniw]

Kyrie Irving states belief that world is flat. Trump asks for congressional investigation into fake news that it is a sphere.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Look Rightguide, you might as well admit it.


They've got Trump this time. He does not survive this. Every Republican will go down with them, the people will rise up, demand a new election and the Democrats will be the majority again because of the resigned, indicted and jailed Republicans, so they will get Hillary by this summer (because she will run unopposed and will enjoy super electors in the Electoral College).


No remember, it is the American way to accept the results of elections, so when the majority speaks, you are supposed to be civil, accept the loss, blame yourself and put pressure on the few remaining Republicans to stop obstructing and just fucking compromise with whatever is dictated to them...

 

[Rightguide]

I provided you a link to an interview with a person who would know who says there wasn't. He isn't an "un-named source".

Sorry didn't see that, but now that I have, I'll remind you, this is the man who lied under oath to congress, was accused of perjury and asked to resign for answering in the negative to questions about collecting bulk intelligence on American citizens. The man is a confirmed liar and known to have politicized the intelligence community.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Kyrie Irving states belief that world is flat. Trump asks for congressional investigation into fake news that it is a sphere.

In Irving's defense before each NBA game he complains that the ball is flat.

 

[Disgustipated]

Sorry didn't see that, but now that I have, I'll remind you, this is the man who lied under oath to congress, was accused of perjury and asked to resign for answering in the negative to questions about collecting bulk intelligence on American citizens. The man is a confirmed liar and known to have politicized the intelligence community.

Sessions?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Look Rightguide, you might as well admit it.


They've got Trump this time. He does not survive this. Every Republican will go down with them, the people will rise up, demand a new election and the Democrats will be the majority again because of the resigned, indicted and jailed Republicans, so they will get Hillary by this summer (because she will run unopposed and will enjoy super electors in the Electoral College).


No remember, it is the American way to accept the results of elections, so when the majority speaks, you are supposed to be civil, accept the loss, blame yourself and put pressure on the few remaining Republicans to stop obstructing and just fucking compromise with whatever is dictated to them...

Nice deflection.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLG8KTZE9VA32RxossLMH3HfDXFAvINDIKZwTjg3OnlOuby6yj

 

[Rightguide]

Look Rightguide, you might as well admit it.


They've got Trump this time. He does not survive this. Every Republican will go down with them, the people will rise up, demand a new election and the Democrats will be the majority again because of the resigned, indicted and jailed Republicans, so they will get Hillary by this summer (because she will run unopposed and will enjoy super electors in the Electoral College).


No remember, it is the American way to accept the results of elections, so when the majority speaks, you are supposed to be civil, accept the loss, blame yourself and put pressure on the few remaining Republicans to stop obstructing and just fucking compromise with whatever is dictated to them...

Yes, only after Republican victory is it demanded they discard their integrity and adopt the Democrat agenda as the policy of the new government. To "bind up the nation's wounds." When they win it's FUCK YOU!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Nice deflection.

^^^^

Too stupid to get sarcasm and shaming...

 

[KingOrfeo]

Not really, and I'd appreciate you not falsifying my post. Seven Democrat Senators have met with the Russian Ambassador, were they surveilled? I doubt it. Why?

Because there was nothing suspicious about it. But if anyone with the slightest connection to Trump's campaign did, that's suspicious.

 

[Rightguide]

Sessions?