How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Hard_Rom]

Faith is vice, not a virtue.

Disagree! More trouble arises when one starts to use the words 'believe in' not 'have faith in'.

Nothing wrong with faith, hope and charity as a basis for a 'belief' system.

 

[KingOrfeo]

hehehe.. You claim philosophical and scientific knowledge when those than excelled in those historically contradict you...;

It is true that many scientists and philosophers have been traditional religious believers, but that is no argument for any religious belief, and a scientist or philosopher would be the first to tell you so.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But in regards to Star Trek, I can most definitely assure you, that I know far, far, faaar more than you ever do or will.

Well, you'll always have that. Live long and prosper.

 

[EternalFantasy]

It is true that many scientists and philosophers have been traditional religious believers, but that is no argument for any religious belief, and a scientist or philosopher would be the first to tell you so.

Faith is the subject in my post. You seem to equate it with religious belief. Another nugget of you great expertise on the matter.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Well, you'll always have that. Live long and prosper.

Whiskey Joe's and the Mons - or church as i called it - as well.

While we're at it.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Well, you'll always have that. Live long and prosper.

'Live long and prosper' is the response. You start with 'peace and long life'.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Faith is the subject in my post. You seem to equate it with religious belief.

The difference being?

 

[EternalFantasy]

The difference being?

LOL

If you have to ask...

 

[EternalFantasy]

and a scientist or philosopher would be the first to tell you so.

And nope. Not in the least bit. You speak with certitude but shoot quite hollow.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And nope. Not in the least bit. You speak with certitude but shoot quite hollow.

Any scientist or philosopher, including one who believes in God, will tell you that his opinion is no argument for God's existence.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Hmmm.. Interesting. Mercury is more stable than you. You switch subjects and snake around.

Oh well. Can't blame you. Learning through passive debate must be a tough business.

I'm not here for you. Save your energy

 

[KingOrfeo]

Hmmm.. Interesting. Mercury is more stable than you. You switch subjects and snake around.

The subject was faith. I have not departed from it. In your case, however, I am tempted to doubt that what I write is what you read, or whether you subconsciously edit it into something different; to doubt, also, whether you can even remember the thread of the discussion from one post to the next, or what you said in the last one.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Archaeological Support The Bible:

https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/does-archaeology-support-the-bible/

 

[Tryharder62]

Faith is vice, not a virtue.

I suppose it depends on the person.

Here is my story and I'm sticking to it!

I don't think the world revolves around me. (Not saying that you do - hang with me here) I think there is a higher being. When my life was tanking I looked for a mentor. I looked at Jesus and liked what I heard and read. Now people like the Dalai Lama, Buddah, Mohammed, Gandi, etc. lived! I can't get many people who disagree with me to even say Jesus was a man, even though there are non-biblical accounts of his life. Although years have been measured many ways by different people, most of the world keeps track now by the years before and since his life and death. He lived and died.

The thing that bothers most people is that Christianity teaches that Jesus didn't stay dead. He was resurrected and continues to live with God and is God and is in us through the Holy Spirit- if we believe. It also teaches that you can have eternal life if you believe that too. This is what I believe.

Now, am I always right. No. If I am right in this instance, I will have lived a better life than what I was living, helping people, making a difference. (Yes, I know that a person can make a difference and help people without Jesus. I am talking about me.) If I am right about the afterlife I will live eternally with him and maybe have a mansion in the sky. If I am wrong I will not know the difference and get planted next to you.

I think I'm right! I choose Jesus as my mentor. - I will try to send some signals if I die first -My signal will be blue roses.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I can't get many people who disagree with me to even say Jesus was a man, even though there are non-biblical accounts of his life.

There are none, apart from one line in Josephus which all scholars consider a Christian's interpolation. I do not doubt Jesus' existence, but I know there is no extra-biblical evidence of it, unless you count apocryphal gospels that were left out of the canon.

 

[WisBlueEyes]

I think we all go to Heaven.Because we are living in hell now.

 

[Tryharder62]

I like the Christian apologist J. Warner Wallace. He talks about people not believing in the gospels thinking the gospel writers could have been influenced because they were sympathetic to Jesus and might have been biased. (Although Matthew became a Christ follower later without prior expectation of the Messiah). So he set about finding unfriendly writings that could at least confirm Christ lived and died. Some of the artlcles were from historians who quoted earlier writings that no longer exist but people still tend to believe them more because they were unfriendly to Jesus. J Warner Wallace was an athiest but he used his homicide detective skills to try to solve this cold case of Jesus. He admits that no one can prove the Case for Christ without any doubt but it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt which is the standard of proof we use in trial. Trials that might send a person to death.

Here is the article about unfriendly pagan and Jewish writings about Jesus if you are interested.

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

 

[Tryharder62]

I think we all go to Heaven.Because we are living in hell now.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Caught on surveillance camera a man gets struck by lighting twice and lives. Later at the hospital he told doctors he was going to rob the couple that were walking just ahead of him.

https://www.facebook.com/1432456544/videos/10201666387448119/?pnref=story

 

[KingOrfeo]

Caught on surveillance camera a man gets struck by lighting twice and lives. Later at the hospital he told doctors he was going to rob the couple that were walking just ahead of him.

https://www.facebook.com/1432456544/videos/10201666387448119/?pnref=story

In most such situations, of course, no lightning interferes.

 

[Hard_Rom]

S'matta neveh seen t'hand of God before?

 

[Tryharder62]

There are none, apart from one line in Josephus which all scholars consider a Christian's interpolation. I do not doubt Jesus' existence, but I know there is no extra-biblical evidence of it, unless you count apocryphal gospels that were left out of the canon.

Crap my above post was to answer your post but somehow I didn't quote it.
Answer above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!

 

[Tryharder62]

Do you know that lightening hits males more often than females? Hmmmmmm

 

[phrodeau]

Do you know that lightening hits males more often than females? Hmmmmmm

God is a sexist? Say it isn't so.

 

[Tryharder62]

God is a sexist? Say it isn't so.

Either that or my mother is up there causing trouble! You don't know her. BELIEVE ME!!!!!