Underage sex in literature (not on Lit)

[Nezhul]

Three things out of the way right away:

1) I'm not talking about stories posted on literotica
2) I'm not talking about erotic stories
3) By "underage" I mean "less than 18 years old", in other owrds teenagers of 16-17 years.


So here's a question for you: Is is acceptable to mention the presense of sex in lives of the teenagers in non-erotic novels?

Because most people do that. So if we have a character who is 16 or 17, would it be frowned upon to mention that he actually has a sexual encounter with his girlfriend as part of the story?
If you are writing a story about realistic high schoolers, it would be quite unnatural for them to not actually discuss sex a lot, and for all of them to be virgins.

I know it's been done in the past in movies and books - where 16 year old guys and girls would be openly depicted watching porn, masturbating and making out, having sex. Naturally, without detailed depictions, but still.

And in some settings (Like Game of Thrones and other medieval themes) it's even quite expectable, because it's natural to get married WAY before 18 years old.

What do you think about that?

How acceptable this in mainstream literature? Or do you think that even there sex before 18 is a no-go?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Three things out of the way right away:

1) I'm not talking about stories posted on literotica
2) I'm not talking about erotic stories
3) By "underage" I mean "less than 18 years old", in other owrds teenagers of 16-17 years.


So here's a question for you: Is is acceptable to mention the presense of sex in lives of the teenagers in non-erotic novels?

Because most people do that. So if we have a character who is 16 or 17, would it be frowned upon to mention that he actually has a sexual encounter with his girlfriend as part of the story?
If you are writing a story about realistic high schoolers, it would be quite unnatural for them to not actually discuss sex a lot, and for all of them to be virgins.

I know it's been done in the past in movies and books - where 16 year old guys and girls would be openly depicted watching porn, masturbating and making out, having sex. Naturally, without detailed depictions, but still.

And in some settings (Like Game of Thrones and other medieval themes) it's even quite expectable, because it's natural to get married WAY before 18 years old.

What do you think about that?

How acceptable this in mainstream literature? Or do you think that even there sex before 18 is a no-go?

I read a lot of YA (young adult) novels written for teenage girls and there's varying degrees of teenage sex (under 18) in many of them. Some of it reasonably explicit and all mainstream. Of course its acceptable in mainstream literature. Just look at 100 strokes of thd brush before bed. A bestseller. Theres thousands of examples. Judy Blume's books I think led the way. So what point do you want to make? Its not like this hasn't been discussed here many times before.

Under 18 sex is perfectly acceptable in mainstream lit. Its just generally (but there are exceptions of course) not the main point of whatever book its in.

 

[sr71plt]

Of course it's acceptable in the mainstream. It's done within the limits of the particular genre of the work, and it's been done for decades.

The question is why you continue to push this topic here. On the face of it, it's a pretty stupid question, as it wouldn't have taken you much research to answer your own questions. Thus, you must be pushing this here for some sort of agenda here. If you don't like the Web site's rules, take a hike.

 

[TxRad]

Of course it's acceptable in the mainstream. It's done within the limits of the particular genre of the work, and it's been done for decades.

The question is why you continue to push this topic here. On the face of it, it's a pretty stupid question, as it wouldn't have taken you much research to answer your own questions. Thus, you must be pushing this here for some sort of agenda here. If you don't like the Web site's rules, take a hike.

That seems to about cover it.

Lit rules are Lit rules. Mainstream has its own rules. You can write anything you want for mainstream. Getting it published is another story. The two publishing houses I publish under have different rules about what they will accept even though they are both part of one company.

I have less problems with the publishers than I do with their legal staff, which all go by the cover thy ass rules.

What works for one publisher doesn't for another and that is from experience.

 

[Hypoxia]

Underage just doesn't fly here and that's that. Move on to another obsession. Fuck unicorns and were-critters and adult relatives and amputees and aliens and golfers and androids. But drop underage. Now.

 

[SamScribble]

Underage just doesn't fly here and that's that. Move on to another obsession. Fuck unicorns and were-critters and adult relatives and amputees and aliens and golfers and androids. But drop underage. Now.

Golfers!? Now there's one I hadn't thought about. What do you suggest, Hypoxia? Start with a five iron? Or would a wood be sexier? (Wood. Wood. Get it? )

 

[Handley_Page]

Golfers!? Now there's one I hadn't thought about. What do you suggest, Hypoxia? Start with a five iron? Or would a wood be sexier? (Wood. Wood. Get it? )

Put a 6 iron in the tentacles of a talented Octopus perhaps ?

 

[Hypoxia]

Golfers!? Now there's one I hadn't thought about. What do you suggest, Hypoxia? Start with a five iron? Or would a wood be sexier? (Wood. Wood. Get it? )

I sat in the 'lounge' of an RV 'park' 1000 miles from home exercising my Android tablet whilst golfing shit occupied a big screen across the room. Thus was I inspired. Those golfers were certainly not underage. How to fuck with them? Besides gooping putters with K-Y? Maybe some viagra-dosed guy penetrates the 18th hole, screwing Mother Earth as it were. No bestiality unless a gopher is down there, hey? Make sure the caddy is adult. No underage witnesses, hey?

 

[Nezhul]

Underage just doesn't fly here and that's that. Move on to another obsession. Fuck unicorns and were-critters and adult relatives and amputees and aliens and golfers and androids. But drop underage. Now.

so you haven't even read the beginning of my post, right?

Oh wait, even the title.

 

[ElectricBlue]

so you haven't even read the beginning of my post, right?
Oh wait, even the title.

I think folk are just wondering why you are going on about this, that's all.

What's the point you're trying to make?

 

[Lori_the_Hoosier]

Everyone read, and got, your post; what's unclear is why you persist in flogging this particular dead horse, so get this straight; on this site, underage sex, the possibility of including underage sexual activities, the possibility of referring, even obliquely, to on-going underage sexual activity, the potential for future inclusion of underage sexual activities, is not going to happen. Ever.

Mentioning that a girl has a previous teenage sexual history is acceptable, if a little weaselly, and, by your lights, probably a little double-standard in nature; after all, the site is littered with stories about 18 year-old guys with hot 34 year-old moms, implying the mom was underage (by the site's rules) when she had him, but there's absolutely no exploration of that previous history permitted; mention it, and move on. These are the rules, both explicit and tacit, Laurel wants it that way, this site is not a democracy, and there's no room for negotiation on this point; for good or bad, what Laurel says, goes, and if you don't or can't accept that, then go elsewhere.

One has to wonder just what agenda you're trying to promote here, or what kind of support you're hoping to garnish; if you want to read and indulge in underage sexual fantasies, find one of the myriad sites that cater to your obvious need to indulge this appetite. Over here, never, something you've been told time and again, and re-couching the same questions repeatedly is both annoying and, frankly, almost autistic in it's monotonous reiterations of the same points again and again. Either quit it, now, or find somewhere else to push your views. What happens elsewhere is outside the purview of this site, and is a meaningless debate in the context of this site, given the above, so let it go, or just go.

Whether you like it or not, Laurel's rules are the only rules here, you have no freedom of speech or expression here, this is a privately owned site, not a government or public organ, and if you contravene Laurels rules she will take action, period. Live with it, or leave, it's up to you.

Was that explicit and unequivocal enough for you?

 

[Handley_Page]

Nicely Put, Lori.

 

[oggbashan]

To answer the original question (not on Lit).

You don't need to ask it. Just walk into any bookstore and look for teenage fiction, that is fiction written FOR teenagers. You will find many titles about first dates; petting; romance; THE boy; THE girl; etc.

What you WON'T find is the girl with a sugar daddy, or a girl with a much older man. All the stories are about kids of similar ages, nor kids with predatory adults unless THE boy saves THE girl from an older predator (or the other way around. This is the 21st Century with kick-ass women.).

The only place you might find it is in Japanese Manga. Some of that is really sick.

 

[Nezhul]

Everyone read, and got, your post; what's unclear is why you persist in flogging this particular dead horse, so get this straight; on this site...

Ahem. For stupid idiots:

1) I'm not talking about stories posted on literotica
2) I'm not talking about erotic stories

Excuse me, but I've written in plain text in the very beginning of my post that I am not talking about Literotica. I am NOT talking about literotica. I am talking about mainstream literature and NOT literotica.

How many times do I need to repeat this to get through your thick sculls?
Let's rehearse. I amd NOT talking about stories on this site. I.e. Literotica.
Not literotica. Okay? Sweet.

What's the point you're trying to make?

The question is why you continue to push this topic here.

I am not trying to make any points.
I'm just asking about the subject on the only literature forum I visit. I'd think people here who call themselves Authors would be smart enough to see the question for what it is instead of questioning for underlying meanings.

And for fuck sake, pilot. When did I ever try to "push this topic here"? I know you have issues with this topic, but there are limits to how much red can you see where there is none.

If you are interested - I'm writing a mainstream sci-fi novel where the characters are mostly teenagers. So yeah, I wanted to know what is actually acceptable in mainstream literature (Not literotica. Remember? Good.)

And I really don't read a lot of young-adult books or books for girls, so no, I didn't know that this was a thing. The books I read in this genre featured no sex (or no sex until 18, if you take Twilight)

So yea. Thank you for those who answered my question.
And to the losers who imagined their own question and began answering that (even despite me addressing the point explicitly) - fuck you, you brainless lot.

 

[jsmiam]

Ahem. For stupid idiots.....- fuck you, you brainless lot.

Lol, at you.

You realize your steady stream of posts asking dumb and naive questions about basic sex that you learned by watching porn and reading erotica just makes you look even MORE naive and inexperienced? Everyone is laughing at you.

Write and shut up. Golden advice you need to take.

 

[oggbashan]

Teenage fiction tends to be targeted at 12 to 14 year olds. Magazines and annuals for teenage girls have many articles about 'How to find a good boyfriend', 'How to dress for a date, school prom' etc.

The books and magazines for boys are less obvious about it because boys mature later. They feature adventure stories more than relationship advice.

By the time the teenagers are 16 they tend not to want to buy or read teenage fiction.

But if you want to write about teenagers you should do some research on the available fiction in a bookstore or library.

Here is an older annual cover. Modern ones are less obvious on the cover:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ae/27/36/ae27361f5c539580716701ad354584a6.jpg

 

[Nezhul]

jsmiam
That's a nice one, but completely irrelevant. Move along

 

[Nezhul]

oggbashan
Well I'll be writing what I'm writing, I don't really think I need to go to a book store and read a dozen young adult novels to be able to write one.

And I kinda was a teenager myself not so long ago as to forget, so I guess I can manage in that regard.

But thanks all the same.

 

[oggbashan]

jsmiam
That's a nice one, but completely irrelevant. Move along

Then I can only assume, like most other people responding to this thread, that you want to write about teenagers to titillate an adult audience.

 

[oggbashan]

oggbashan
Well I'll be writing what I'm writing, I don't really think I need to go to a book store and read a dozen young adult novels to be able to write one.

And I kinda was a teenager myself not so long ago as to forget, so I guess I can manage in that regard.

But thanks all the same.

Having been a teenager doesn't necessarily give you the knowledge to write FOR teenagers, particularly for an international audience.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

Of course it's acceptable in the mainstream. It's done within the limits of the particular genre of the work, and it's been done for decades.

The question is why you continue to push this topic here. On the face of it, it's a pretty stupid question, as it wouldn't have taken you much research to answer your own questions. Thus, you must be pushing this here for some sort of agenda here. If you don't like the Web site's rules, take a hike.

yup, what ^^^ says.

 

[Nezhul]

Having been a teenager doesn't necessarily give you the knowledge to write FOR teenagers, particularly for an international audience.

I don't think any good author has the knowledge to write something. Writing is art in the first place, not the skill (when it comes to plot).

Authors just write whatever they want. Some end up with bestsellers, many others fade into oblivion.

I don't think a lot of bestselling fiction authors actually research how to best write the book before writing it. They just have a story and write it.

 

[AH_Mod]

The only reason this line of discussion is allowed at all is to reiterate the rule regarding characters under 18 on Literotica.

As this thread has nothing to do with Literotica, it will be closed.