While lameduck Obama plays hardass about possible outside election hacking...

[water505]

Were you asleep before the election when they were first saying it?
So, yeah, you're full of shit, it wasn't "suddenly".

Oh, so first they said there was interference, then there was no interference, then changed their minds and claimed there was?

How fucking stupid are you? Never mind...you keep proving that every day, peabrain.

 

[water505]

Unnamed and anonymous sources are leaking this rumor, but they have yet to provide us with solid concrete evidence.



Therefore this is political hackery...

The Russians were involved and everyone knows it!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

:nods:



Everyone... RESET!

 

[water505]

There is a Russian spy under every bed, I tell you.

 

[about_average]

Oh, so first they said there was interference, then there was no interference, then changed their minds and claimed there was?

I searched from Dec 2015 to Nov 1, 2016. Can't find any evidence the CIA ever said there was no evidence the Russians were up to no good.
So I'm sure you can provide a citation for your claim.

 

[water505]

I searched from Dec 2015 to Nov 1, 2016. Can't find any evidence the CIA ever said there was no evidence the Russians were up to no good.
So I'm sure you can provide a citation for your claim.

There is nothing funnier than a liberal doubling down on stupid. Give it up, fool. You're even making your comrades look bad.

 

[about_average]

Oh, so first they said there was interference, then there was no interference, then changed their minds and claimed there was?

I searched from Dec 2015 to Nov 1, 2016. Can't find any evidence the CIA ever said there was no evidence the Russians were up to no good.
So I'm sure you can provide a citation for your claim.

So you have nothing but weak insults? Why am I not surprised.

You made the claim, it's up to you to back it up. Or are you just a troll?

 

[Conager]

Maybe they figured Obama was giving them tacit approval with his reset? He did say that he would have more flexibility after his re-election.

 

[Sean]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzZgRZrWgAATzBS.jpg

 

[LincolnDuncan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-xLJRXDHsA

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

The major players on the planet ALL conduct intensive cyberintrusion against each other and even within their own administrative spheres of influence.

The American federal government specifically, muchly assisted by the equally offensive British, is the recognized champion of the world when it comes to infiltrating and offensively acting against others digitally.

America has absolutely no moral right to whine about any other nation(s) interfering in any way in its politics when it has so brazenly and deadly and forcibly injected itself so shamefully in so many other countries politics, both by cyber and by actual overthrow.

I do not doubt for an instant the present objective cybercharges against Russia; I do find it entertaining that those charges go ridiculously further in that they then subjectively contend a theoretical purpose for the objective facts and expect anyone but the naive to swallow both whole - all the while announcing a full report of objective fact and subjective purpose will be entirely completed before the present President leaves Office in a little more than a month AND that in will be kept SECRET, allowing the usual, infamous "sources" to recite what the report says without allowing anyone else to read what it says themselves. TRUST US - WE'RE THE GOVERNMENT.

What's especially humorous is now Senators like McCain and Graham and Schumer are uniting to denounce Russia for the very same cyber activities that they've personally championed and empowered America to conduct. Schumer fully backed the presidential candidate who campaigned on forcefully getting tougher with Russia. McCain and Graham are also prototypical war mongers AND both publicly declared they would not vote for Trump. And they're both total champions of American federal government agencies not only spying on the rest of the world, but on American citizens, too.

Machiavellian irony cannot get any richer than this.

This isn't about Russia doing the exact things these corrupt American politicians empower America to do, for behind all this irony is simply corrupt Americans acting to defend their own devious cyber activities in order to not only continue doing them, but to exponentially enlarge doing them all over the world and, of course, on American citizens most of all.

Meanwhile, as that usual, diversionary political game is once more being played on the "peasants", sane folks always keep in mind that a good hack is one never discovered...


Disclaimer: If I were President, I would urge Congress to enact legislation and issue as many executive orders as I could to halt all commercial business with both Russia and China and commercially sanction their government officials who are responsible for continuing to be enemies to the individual liberty of their own citizens, and of the world.

 

[screwulibz]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzZgRZrWgAATzBS.jpg

when Trump said the elections were rigged

NIGGER said it cant be done

Now that he lost, he is a WHINY ASS NIGGER

 

[screwulibz]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzXRSQaVIAQ3nNm.jpg

 

[Conager]

The contortions the Administration, the Clinton Campaign, and individual Clintonistas have put themselves through on this issue is hillarylarious.

A lot of it comes down to what is the meaning of the word is.

When Republicans talk about rigging an election they're talking about whether or not voters are actual, real, individual, qualified voters. Democrats studiously avoid anything that could possibly address the first three categories and want the fourth category qualified to be as elastic as possible.

Democrats when it comes to verifying the vote want to argue endlessly over stray marks and hanging Chads about the actual ballots themselves having absolutely nothing to do with who put them in The Ballot Box.

In this case all this whining about the Russians is about whether or not the Russians using propaganda techniques interfered with the Clinton campaigns propaganda. Which is is every bit as much fair game for the Russians to do as we do in an awful lot of Elections all around the world.

Whining about allegedly Russia using hacked, bit true copy emails to destroy Clinton's narratives with her and her campaign'sown words is certainly just desserts.

Conflating that alleged link on hacking email to hacking voting machines is just silly.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

“As far as the WikiLeaks connection, the evidence there is not as strong and we don’t have good insight into the sequencing of the releases or when the data may have been provided. We don’t have as good insight into that.”
James Clapper

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has denied receiving the emails from people connected to the Putin government.

http://www.worldtribune.com/did-rus...-conflicting-views-one-on-the-record-one-off/

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

The CIA’s Absence of Conviction

The continued ability of the mainstream media to claim the leaks lost Clinton the election because of “Russia”, while still never acknowledging the truths the leaks reveal, is Kafkaesque.

I had a call from a Guardian journalist this afternoon. The astonishing result was that for three hours, an article was accessible through the Guardian front page which actually included the truth among the CIA hype:

The Kremlin has rejected the hacking accusations, while the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has previously said the DNC leaks were not linked to Russia. A second senior official cited by the Washington Post conceded that intelligence agencies did not have specific proof that the Kremlin was “directing” the hackers, who were said to be one step removed from the Russian government.
Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”
“I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.
“If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.
“America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/

Here's precisely why Hillary lost the election:

1. She pissed the wrong progressives off, resulting in the leakage and

2. A little over 100,000 Democrats throughout Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania refusing to vote for her.

It's hard to imagine a greater result than Hillary Clinton screwing herself out of the Presidency, but the hit job The Washington "fake news" Post has chosen to do on itself with this bogus story might turn out to be a great runnerup.

 

[Conager]

The CIA’s Absence of Conviction



Here's precisely why Hillary lost the election:

1. She pissed the wrong progressives off, resulting in the leakage and

2. A little over 100,000 Democrats throughout Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania refusing to vote for her.

It's hard to imagine a greater result than Hillary Clinton screwing herself out of the Presidency, but the hit job The Washington "fake news" Post has chosen to do on itself with this bogus story might turn out to be a great runnerup.

It's weird to see organizations falling on their metaphorical swords for Hillary Clinton. Especially when you consider that she now and for the rest of her life has nothing to offer them.

A little of this is fig leaf. Major news organizations we know for a fact were colluding directly with the Clinton campaign. Not just writing positive things about Hillary or negative things about Trump actually coordinating with the campaign and actually receiving and planting fake stories. Actual fake news.

It's almost like they're just trying to get out in front of all that and point the finger a fake news elsewhere so that when the easilly distracted public finally puts the bits and pieces that they've more or less ignored into place and seas what it all amounts to they can claim oh no that's just a fake news telling everyone that wear fake news but really that's an old story we already told you they're the fake news that's why they're accusing us.

 

[about_average]

I never seen a worse bunch of sore winners.

Here we have the confirmed facts that a foreign government meddled in our election. The possibility that they meddled in an attempt to get a particular candidate elected. Yet all they can do is whine about Clinton.
Get over it! She lost!

No amount of your bitching and whining is going to get Trump unelected, your guy won. Not by the "massive landslide victory" he claims, but he won.

So move on and address the fact of the foreign compromise of our national security. Quit whining about Clinton and the "millions of fraudulent votes" conspiracy theory and focus on the facts, on what's known . Russia meddled in our election.

Remember, you're going to sing a different song when RNC emails are "leaked".
And if you don't think the RNC was hacked you're even dumber than all your whining about clinton makes you look.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I never seen a worse bunch of sore winners.

Here we have the confirmed facts that a foreign government meddled in our election. The possibility that they meddled in an attempt to get a particular candidate elected. Yet all they can do is whine about Clinton.
Get over it! She lost!

No amount of your bitching and whining is going to get Trump unelected, your guy won. Not by the "massive landslide victory" he claims, but he won.

So move on and address the fact of the foreign compromise of our national security. Quit whining about Clinton and the "millions of fraudulent votes" conspiracy theory and focus on the facts, on what's known . Russia meddled in our election.

Remember, you're going to sing a different song when RNC emails are "leaked".
And if you don't think the RNC was hacked you're even dumber than all your whining about clinton makes you look.

Please post the confirmation. That would be a name and the connection to the Russian government.

What is ironic is that Hillary is now out blasting fake news...

Prove the RNC was hacked.

Sore loser.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

Why are figureheads in the CIA and the US intelligence community and President Obama absolutely mum about how invasively intense their hacking efforts are toward Russian political, cultural, economic and military interests?

 

[about_average]

Why are figureheads in the CIA and the US intelligence community and President Obama absolutely mum about how invasively intense their hacking efforts are toward Russian political, cultural, economic and military interests?

 

[water505]

The whining will never stop until a Democrat president is elected. If Trump had won by ten million votes they'd still be talking the same meaningless bullshit.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

Interesting, isn't it, that both the FBI, which sought and secured a FISA warrant to investigate the so-called Trump-Russia connection (and found absolutely no evidence of any), and National Intelligence (which is the superior intelligence command in this country), do not share the CIA's speculative views about this now infamous Russia hack? Inter-federal government agency jealousy no doubt, huh?

Whatever would the CIA have against perhaps the most political independent person to be elected to the Presidency since Washington, to the extent that traditional media is soaking up their every word (from anonymous sources, of course), no matter that a more authoritative intelligence source doesn't share their specific views? Whatever did the CIA have against the last President so strongly independent - JFK? And why does it once again seem like the CIA and the media are really, really cozy? Hmmm...

Operation Mockingbird

Carl Bernstein: The CIA and the Media

Do you also realize that just a few months ago the Executive branch's Justice Department Inspector General proclaimed it is totally acceptable that federal law enforcement agents pose as the media/journalists while conducting criminal investigations?

Office of the Inspector General U.S. Department of Justice A Review of the FBI’s Impersonation of a Journalist in a Criminal Investigation

Do you understand that state and local law enforcement create and place "fake news" in the media, many times with the full cooperation of the media?

Police use 'fake news' in sting aimed at Santa Maria gang

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/fbi-mocing-test.jpg

It is both morbidly repulsive and highly entertaining experiencing in real-time the corrupt federal government of the United States of America pushing this great nation into anarchy propelled by its chronic obsession with intentional deceit and deception.

 

[about_average]

Interesting, isn't it, that both the FBI, which sought and secured a FISA warrant to investigate the so-called Trump-Russia connection (and found absolutely no evidence of any), and National Intelligence (which is the superior intelligence command in this country), do not share the CIA's speculative views about this now infamous Russia hack? Inter-federal government agency jealousy no doubt, huh?

Not entirely. They all agree it was Russia.
The FBI is not saying the reason for the hack was to get Trump elected.
The CIA is.

The FBI operates differently from the CIA. What they care about is winning a court case so that's their perspective. Facts that can be shown in court to get a guilty verdict.
The CIA does need to prove things in court. Their task is to reach a high enough level of probability to take action.

 

[water505]

Not entirely. They all agree it was Russia.
The FBI is not saying the reason for the hack was to get Trump elected.
The CIA is.

The FBI operates differently from the CIA. What they care about is winning a court case so that's their perspective. Facts that can be shown in court to get a guilty verdict.
The CIA does need to prove things in court. Their task is to reach a high enough level of probability to take action.

Who is saying they all agree?