A Woman's Rights to Her Own Body

[gotsnowgotslush]

If Kasich agrees with that assessment, he may very well sign this bill and start the process of dismantling not just abortion rights, but the long-standing judicial tradition of respecting precedent.


http://www.salon.com/2016/12/07/dest...-punish-women/

Less than six weeks, before a woman loses the chance to legally abort a fetus?

Of a matter of course, the premise for the loss, is a lie.

The fetus does not have a developed heart, at that stage.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If Kasich agrees with that assessment, he may very well sign this bill and start the process of dismantling not just abortion rights, but the long-standing judicial tradition of respecting precedent.

There are no abortion rights, you idiot.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Planned Parenthood said the bill is "intended to make abortion illegal in the state of Ohio."

"This bill could take away a woman's right to make her own medical decisions before she would have known she had a decision to make," the organization writes.

"Not only is this shameful, but it's dangerous for women," said Iris Harvey, the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Advocates of Ohio.


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...abortion-as-early-as-6-weeks-after-conception

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

But in a somewhat surprising move, it was attached to a child abuse bill that had widespread support among Republicans and Democrats. And that's what angered Democratic Senator Charleta Tavares.

"It bastardizes the child abuse and neglect bill because it is taking away the
safety and security of children."


Democrat Greta Johnson took issue with the fact that the Heartbeat Bill doesn't
provide exceptions for rape and incest. And she urged lawmakers to put themselves inthe shoes of a 12-year-old incest victim.

"What would you say to her if you had to look at her and tell her no, that at 12
years old, she would be forced to carry a baby because she was impregnated by her brother."

The state's leading anti-abortion organization has long advocated against the Heartbeat Bill, saying it's unconstitutional - a position also held by pro-choice groups.


http://wcbe.org/post/lawmakers-approve-heartbeat-bill

 

[about_average]

There are no abortion rights, you idiot.

Yes there is.

In Roe v. Wade,557 the Court established a right of personal privacy protected by the due process clause that includes the right of a woman to determine whether or not to bear a child.

And if you want to argue that they aren't enumerated in the constitution so they aren't a right, you're forgetting the 9th amendment which says that doesn't matter.

The Ninth Amendment states, “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes there is.

That's a right to privacy with your medical care professional...not a right to a totally unregulated, on demand and cost free abortion.

Which is what all the SJW's seem to think RvW entitles them to.

 

[about_average]

That's a right to privacy with your medical care professional...not a right to a totally unregulated, on demand and cost free abortion.

Which is what all the SJW's seem to think RvW entitles them to.

You have any evidence of that claim? I mean evidence other than a handful of fringe people.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You have any evidence of that claim? I mean evidence other than a handful of fringe people.

SJW's are the fringe and they are much larger than a handful of people, they are a substantial segment of the left.

They want dead cops, and they want them now!!

And GSGS, is arguably one of the most over the top bat shit SJW's on lit.

 

[about_average]

You still haven't provided any evidence of an expectation of "a right to a totally unregulated, on demand and cost free abortion"

 

[BotanyBoy]

You still haven't provided any evidence of an expectation of "a right to a totally unregulated, on demand and cost free abortion"

That's because your assertion is that only a hand full of people think that is laughable.

Talk to badbabysitter, or LadyVer and all the lefties who regularly support their "girl power" fact free bullshit sessions ...or really any 3rd wave feminist.

Pick one of like 10 million youtube videos with some blue haired millennials sobbing because she had to go see a doctor to get an abortion and it's all the fault of white men.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If Kasich agrees with that assessment, he may very well sign this bill and start the process of dismantling not just abortion rights, but the long-standing judicial tradition of respecting precedent.

Legally, no precedent is absolutely binding on the SCOTUS.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Pick one of like 10 million youtube videos with some blue haired millennials sobbing because she had to go see a doctor to get an abortion and it's all the fault of white men.

In each such case it is certainly, at least partially, the fault of some particular man. No woman ever got an abortion because she had second thoughts after visiting the sperm bank.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In each such case it is certainly, at least partially, the fault of some particular man.

Only if he raped her.

Otherwise women have 100% complete control over their being pregnant or not.

That means it's 100% up to them to make sure they don't get pregnant.

No woman ever got an abortion because she had second thoughts after visiting the sperm bank.

Irrelevant.

Until dad gets a say so in the sex and pregnancy, it's all on her.

All she's got to do is tell him to put a condom on, or manage her BC, deny him or get knocked up and it's totally her choice.

I'm in full support of women having that choice....but it does come with some of that liberal kryptonite called RESPONSIBILITY!!!!

I know I know, responsibility for ones shitty personal decisions = the patriarchy and racism of evil white males.

But it's an unavoidable consequence that comes with rights.

 

[JackLuis]

BB, you want the right to do as you wish, but object when others want the same right to do what they want without "Big Brother" sticking his nose up their asses.

If you are unwilling to allow others to do as they wish, why should you be privileged?

The minorities in this country are out breeding White America but White Christian America is so stupid that they end up supporting their own marginalization!

RWNJ's bitch about abortion but oppose condom use and say, "Just don't fuck." That has never, ever worked in human history.

 

[BotanyBoy]

BB, you want the right to do as you wish, but object when others want the same right to do what they want without "Big Brother" sticking his nose up their asses.

How am I objecting??

If you are unwilling to allow others to do as they wish

Forcing them to take ownership of doing as they wish isn't me unwilling to allow them to do as they wish.

The minorities in this country are out breeding White America but White Christian America is so stupid that they end up supporting their own marginalization!

How?

They aren't marginalized they are just regularly blamed by liberals for all the bad choices liberals make.

RWNJ's bitch about abortion but oppose condom use and say, "Just don't fuck." That has never, ever worked in human history.

So what? Let them....California can force every child to sit and learn how gay sex and transgenderism is how things are now because cis gender straights are xenophobic bigots and we don't wan anyone to be one of those!!

And Texas can teach their kids Jesus rode a T-rex.

But the squeaky wheels on both sides just HAVE to fuck with each other because moral busy body control freaks more alike than either would ever admit.

 

[JackLuis]

How am I objecting??
-
But the squeaky wheels on both sides just HAVE to fuck with each other because moral busy body control freaks more alike than either would ever admit.

By deflecting the issue of the thread into bullshit arguments just to be argumentative, for one.

By squeaking about your own issues but denigrating all other issues because they are not supporting yours.

So I ask you, do you even give a fuck about abortion, or are you just ragging on people who won't let you grow 40 acres of dope?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Then I assume you're in favor of places like PP making contraception easier and more affordable.

If the entire issue should be DON'T GET PREGNANT then stop trying to restrict birth control. Or maybe we should just crack down on any sex outside the sole purpose of getting pregnant


QUOTE=BotanyBoy;82349716]Only if he raped her.

Otherwise women have 100% complete control over their being pregnant or not.

That means it's 100% up to them to make sure they don't get pregnant.



Irrelevant.

Until dad gets a say so in the sex and pregnancy, it's all on her.

All she's got to do is tell him to put a condom on, or manage her BC, deny him or get knocked up and it's totally her choice.

I'm in full support of women having that choice....but it does come with some of that liberal kryptonite called RESPONSIBILITY!!!!

I know I know, responsibility for ones shitty personal decisions = the patriarchy and racism of evil white males.

But it's an unavoidable consequence that comes with rights.[/QUOTE]

 

[BotanyBoy]

By deflecting the issue of the thread into bullshit arguments just to be argumentative, for one.

By squeaking about your own issues but denigrating all other issues because they are not supporting yours.

That isn't in any way me objecting to others wanting the government out of their bidniz.

Seems more like you're just pissed about the fact that women have privacy rights not abortion rights and just like with anything else under the sun it's a vote away from being regulated. Which is something you would think progressive liberals, and their fanatical love for government micromanagement would be fine with.

Why not this?

Why is abortion the sacred lefty cow that's beyond government oversight?

So I ask you, do you even give a fuck about abortion, or are you just ragging on people who won't let you grow 40 acres of dope?

Yea it's an interesting topic.

I'm going to rag on those elitist degenerates for fucking ever....just like I will the Republican tyrants.

All degenerate tyrannical scum.

Then I assume you're in favor of places like PP making contraception easier and more affordable.

Sure as long as they don't force people to do so in the process, voluntary not government force.

If the entire issue should be DON'T GET PREGNANT then stop trying to restrict birth control.

I didn't realize anyone was trying to restrict BC, I certainly am not.

Or maybe we should just crack down on any sex outside the sole purpose of getting pregnant

Good luck with that LOL....

 

[about_average]

That's because your assertion is that only a hand full of people think that is laughable.

Talk to badbabysitter, or LadyVer and all the lefties who regularly support their "girl power" fact free bullshit sessions ...or really any 3rd wave feminist.

Pick one of like 10 million youtube videos with some blue haired millennials sobbing because she had to go see a doctor to get an abortion and it's all the fault of white men.

No, it's because I've only ever heard a handful of people say they have "a right to a totally unregulated, on demand and cost free abortion"

And Roe v wade didn't give women that anyway, none of the things, and that's what people are concerned about now.

In any case, if you can't cite some substantial examples of what you claim I can only assume you're making it up just to rant.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In any case, if you can't cite some substantial examples of what you claim I can only assume you're making it up just to rant.

Well no I can't I suppose there aren't ANY hysterical pro-choice feminist out there, every fucking one of them is a well adjusted perfectly rational person, all social justice warriors are.

The real problem is obviously the
http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1566/15660122/3088579-9046856713-NQaY5.gif

 

[about_average]

Well no I can't I suppose there aren't ANY hysterical pro-choice feminist out there, every fucking one of them is a well adjusted perfectly rational person, all social justice warriors are.

There's a big difference between none and a significant number.
I never said there were none. In fact I said the exact opposite, I said there were some.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There's a big difference between none and a significant number.

Oh so you can admit bat shit SJW's exist?? WOW!!! How not ride or die for the (D) of you.....does your (D) handler know you've gone totally off the (D) reservation by saying that or is it a secret???

Wouldn't want you to be labeled a bigot by those open minded inclusive social justice warriors.


I'm guessing you missed the thousands of them marching in the streets?? And the rioting and racial hate crimes when Hillary lost?

I'm sorry they weren't white males, I mean 'peaceful protesting'....wouldn't want to be a racist by telling the truth now would I???

Did you not see the "what do we want?? DEAD COPS!!" march??

Getting run over because blocking highways to let people know "fuck whiteness" "fuck cops" and "Fuck the patriarchy"??

No you didn't hear anything about that??

It was all over the news.....tons of video on youtube.......no? Ok cool, SJW's are obviously all innocent, altruistic snowflakes of purity!!


God I hope BLM burns your shit down and fucks you in the ass.

 

[about_average]

Oh so you can admit bat shit SJW's exist?? WOW!!! How not ride or die for the (D) of you.....does your (D) handler know you've gone totally off the (D) reservation by saying that or is it a secret???

LOL I haven't been a D in 30 years or more. And I was a Young Republican before I was a D.

Wouldn't want you to be labeled a bigot by those open minded inclusive social justice warriors.

I've been labeled by others most of my life, incorrectly more often than not. I don't really care what people label me.

I'm guessing you missed the thousands of them marching in the streets??

Nope, I saw the reports.
What I didn't see was any evidence of an expectation of "a right to a totally unregulated, on demand and cost free abortion" from them.
And you didn't see that either.

 

[phrodeau]

BotanyBoy doesn't see everything in black and white. Some things he sees in vantablack and titanium dioxide.

 

[BotanyBoy]

LOL I haven't been a D in 30 years or more. And I was a Young Republican before I was a D.

I've been labeled by others most of my life, incorrectly more often than not. I don't really care what people label me.

Right.

Nope, I saw the reports.
What I didn't see was any evidence of an expectation of "a right to a totally unregulated, on demand and cost free abortion" from them.
And you didn't see that either.

Ahh you must not have been paying attention any of the 3rd wave feminists in the reports because they all think they have a right to unregulated, on demand, government paid for abortions.

Tell them you're pulling government funding and watch them freak out.

If you don't pay for their abortions you're taking their rights away!!!

Tell them you're going to regulate abortions and you're destroying a womans right to her body~~!!

Just like GSGS has in this thread, BBS, Ladyver, at least limey Sean, LTR, phro, hard Rom, and nearly every other (D) on the board have wailed over on numerous abortion threads.

But I don't have an exact quote so you're right.....so nobody thinks that..... despite the vast majority of them behaving exactly as though they do.