Federalist Paper 68

[NOIRTRASH]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._68#Hamilton.27s_understanding_of_the_Electoral_College

Hamiltons thoughts of the electoral college.

Hamilton was no Democrat. He didn't esteem the mob. He championed union and squashing diversity. He was a Federalist, and that's who they are. The core of the Federalist orthodoxy is union and common cause once the issue is decided. Hamiliton woulda tossed the HAMILTON cast in jail for extending their quarrel beyond the vote.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I went to my transferred Federalist files from my old computer, but something went wrong and they are not there. (I need to back them up again.)


What is interesting is that to Google Federalist 68, it takes you right to Wikipedia and a laundry list of "Cliff's Notes" type sites.

You have to dig a little to get beyond the superficial and get to the real deal...



... I guess that reflects our current state of "scholarship."

 

[water505]

Hamilton's first casting call was for "non-white" actors, and they have the nerve to lecture someone about diversity. Amazing, isn't it?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This is why I listen to and watch pretty much exclusively dead entertainers...



Whatever bee was in their bonnet at the time, I don't have to endure.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

One of my ancestors served on the Florida Secession Convention. He opposed secession, called secessionists GOD DAMNED TRAITORS, then died as a Confederate General in Virginia. Few today would do it. What a hypocrite!

But he was a Federalist and huge admirer of Washington and Madison, both Federalists. And Federalists believe the time for raising hell is before the vote...then get aboard. And that's what my ancestor did. Raised hell and did his duty.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._68#Hamilton.27s_understanding_of_the_Electoral_College

Hamiltons thoughts of the electoral college.

Hamilton was no Democrat. He didn't esteem the mob. He championed union and squashing diversity. He was a Federalist, and that's who they are. The core of the Federalist orthodoxy is union and common cause once the issue is decided. Hamiliton woulda tossed the HAMILTON cast in jail for extending their quarrel beyond the vote.

I rather doubt that, but if I'm wrong, on what legal basis would he have done so? The Hamilton cast engaged in a tawdry public cheap shot, but it was not in opposition with regard to the legitimacy of the Electoral College, but was rather merely the paranoid assumption about the future policies of a Trump administration.

I'm pretty certain the First Amendment fully protects such expressions, however ill-founded.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

duplicate post

 

[Sean]

I rather doubt that, but if I'm wrong, on what legal basis would he have done so? The Hamilton cast engaged in a tawdry public cheap shot, but it was not in opposition with regard to the legitimacy of the Electoral College, but was rather merely the paranoid assumption about the future policies of a Trump administration.

I'm pretty certain the First Amendment fully protects such expressions, however ill-founded.

Paranoid? You don't consider black people might be somewhat nervous when someone that was deemed too racist to be a federal judge is appointed attorney general?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I rather doubt that, but if I'm wrong, on what legal basis would he have done so? The Hamilton cast engaged in a tawdry public cheap shot, but it was not in opposition with regard to the legitimacy of the Electoral College, but was rather merely the paranoid assumption about the future policies of a Trump administration.

I'm pretty certain the First Amendment fully protects such expressions, however ill-founded.

Judge Oliver Wendell Holmes famously remarked, THE HAMILTON CAST CERTAINLY HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT, BUT I AINT GOTTA PAY FOR IT WHEN YOU PISS IN THE PUNCH.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Paranoid? You don't consider black people might be somewhat nervous when someone that was deemed too racist to be a federal judge is appointed attorney general?

Given that at the time of President Reagan's nomination of Sessions to the federal bench a substantial majority of the American Bar Association Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary, which rates nominees to the federal bench, rated Sessions "qualified," and that nothing of substance regarding his enforcement of anti-discrimination law during his term as Attorney General of Alabama has been cited as contravening to his qualification of Attorney of the United States, then, yes, I would characterize the response of anyone concerned about the ability of Sen. Sessions to fairly enforce the law as "paranoid."

 

[water505]

This is why I listen to and watch pretty much exclusively dead entertainers...



Whatever bee was in their bonnet at the time, I don't have to endure.

They really believe people give a damn about what they think.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Judge Oliver Wendell Holmes famously remarked, THE HAMILTON CAST CERTAINLY HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT, BUT I AINT GOTTA PAY FOR IT WHEN YOU PISS IN THE PUNCH.

Taking nothing away from Justice Holmes, I am reminded that the late Justice Scalia was a passionate opera fan and theater companion of Justice Ginsburg.

"God Save This Honorable Court!"

 

[Sean]

Given that at the time of President Reagan's nomination of Sessions to the federal bench a substantial majority of the American Bar Association Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary, which rates nominees to the federal bench, rated Sessions "qualified," and that nothing of substance regarding his enforcement of anti-discrimination law during his term as Attorney General of Alabama has been cited as contravening to his qualification of Attorney of the United States, then, yes, I would characterize the response of anyone concerned about the ability of Sen. Sessions to fairly enforce the law as "paranoid."

And Bannon's anti-semtism? Pence's anti gay bigotry?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

And Bannon's anti-semtism? Pence's anti gay bigotry?

Hey, I get it that you don't like these people. I get it that the cast of Hamilton does not like these people. But we now have rather stringent laws here in place prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race and a Supreme Court ruling guaranteeing the right of marriage for gays and lesbians.

Pretending that the alleged personal bias of elected officials or the staff they employ is going to immediately result in their failure to enforce existing law qualifies as paranoia. In much the same way that certain right wing nutbags' view of a photo of Barack Obama in native African garb meant he was a Muslim about to invoke Sharia law also qualified as paranoia.

Try not to follow their example just because your side lost an election in a country you don't live in.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Taking nothing away from Justice Holmes, I am reminded that the late Justice Scalia was a passionate opera fan and theater companion of Justice Ginsburg.

"God Save This Honorable Court!"

He liked her big mouth. You just know she can handle a whopper with no hands.

 

[Sean]

Hey, I get it that you don't like these people. I get it that the cast of Hamilton does not like these people. But we now have rather stringent laws here in place prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race and a Supreme Court ruling guaranteeing the right of marriage for gays and lesbians.

Pretending that the alleged personal bias of elected officials or the staff they employ is going to immediately result in their failure to enforce existing law qualifies as paranoia. In much the same way that certain right wing nutbags' view of a photo of Barack Obama in native African garb meant he was a Muslim about to invoke Sharia law also qualified as paranoia.

Try not to follow their example just because your side lost an election in a country you don't live in.

And the plans to register all Muslims in the country, citizens included, more paranoia?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Try not to follow their example just because your side lost an election in a country you don't live in.

And the plans to register all Muslims in the country, citizens included, more paranoia?

Yes, you fuckin' twat.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

And the plans to register all Muslims in the country, citizens included, more paranoia?

So there is plan to make citizens register?

Do tell?

 

[BotanyBoy]

So there is plan to make citizens register?

Do tell?

But he's ..... BUTT He'S........HE'S HITLER!!!

LOL!!!

 

[Sean]

So there is plan to make citizens register?

Do tell?

Kobach seems to think so.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Kobach seems to think so.

Ahhhh... yep. No he didn't.

"Some prominent Donald Trump supporters have raised the idea of a Muslim registry -- an issue that first surfaced on the campaign trail last year -- just as the president-elect is readying his transition into the White House.

Kris Kobach, Kansas’ secretary of state who says he is advising the Trump transition team on immigration policies, told Reuters Tuesday that confidants to the president-elect are discussing proposals to reinstate a registry for immigrants from Muslim countries. Kobach, whose name has been floated for a possible Cabinet position, said he was involved in regular calls with immigration advisers about the issue.

The anti-immigration hardliner designed a similar database system while working for the Justice Department under President George W. Bush. Following the September 11 terror attacks in 2001, Kobach helped implement the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS), which required noncitizen men from certain Muslim-majority countries living in the U.S. to register and continuously update the government about their whereabouts. It also required individuals to go before immigration officials for fingerprinting, photographing, and comprehensive questioning. After heavy criticisms from civil liberties groups, the Department of Homeland Security eventually ended the controversial program in 2011.

 

[Sean]

Ahhhh... yep. No he didn't.

"Some prominent Donald Trump supporters have raised the idea of a Muslim registry -- an issue that first surfaced on the campaign trail last year -- just as the president-elect is readying his transition into the White House.

Kris Kobach, Kansas’ secretary of state who says he is advising the Trump transition team on immigration policies, told Reuters Tuesday that confidants to the president-elect are discussing proposals to reinstate a registry for immigrants from Muslim countries. Kobach, whose name has been floated for a possible Cabinet position, said he was involved in regular calls with immigration advisers about the issue.

The anti-immigration hardliner designed a similar database system while working for the Justice Department under President George W. Bush. Following the September 11 terror attacks in 2001, Kobach helped implement the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS), which required noncitizen men from certain Muslim-majority countries living in the U.S. to register and continuously update the government about their whereabouts. It also required individuals to go before immigration officials for fingerprinting, photographing, and comprehensive questioning. After heavy criticisms from civil liberties groups, the Department of Homeland Security eventually ended the controversial program in 2011.

Ah, so no immigrants are citizens?

While you're in a Googling mood, perhaps you can back up your assertion that the Trump rape case was thrown out of court for being a hoax?

 

[Conager]

Hey, I get it that you don't like these people. I get it that the cast of Hamilton does not like these people. But we now have rather stringent laws here in place prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race and a Supreme Court ruling guaranteeing the right of marriage for gays and lesbians.

Pretending that the alleged personal bias of elected officials or the staff they employ is going to immediately result in their failure to enforce existing law qualifies as paranoia. In much the same way that certain right wing nutbags' view of a photo of Barack Obama in native African garb meant he was a Muslim about to invoke Sharia law also qualified as paranoia.

Try not to follow their example just because your side lost an election in a country you don't live in.

I think their fears are somewhat reasonable considering the way they championed and cheered the current occupant of the White House disregard for the rule of law and imperial rule by exective fiat They assume that the other side is going to realize that sauce that's good for the goose is good for the gander.

They rightly squealed when George Bush over-reached, but had zero concerns about Obama openly defying his constitutional limitations. They were able to rest quite assured that at no time in the future would a republican ever be in charge again. After all, they had ballot stuffing I mean "early voting" all figured out and had imported 20 million potential extra votes.

 

[mark_j]

Kobach seems to think so.

Kobach said no such thing. He was referring to a program called the "National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, or NSEERS." Which essentially was a program to track the status of persons who were in the country on VISA's.

It isn't a new program nor was it something that Kobach or Trump just cooked up on a whim. It has been in place since 2002. Though largely not used in its original form since 2011 it hasn't gone away.

They are not advocating a registry of citizens, what they are asking or proposing as one would call it, is enforcing existing laws.

 

[Sean]

Kobach said no such thing. He was referring to a program called the "National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, or NSEERS." Which essentially was a program to track the status of persons who were in the country on VISA's.

It isn't a new program nor was it something that Kobach or Trump just cooked up on a whim. It has been in place since 2002. Though largely not used in its original form since 2011 it hasn't gone away.

They are not advocating a registry of citizens, what they are asking or proposing as one would call it, is enforcing existing laws.

Oh really?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...icans-special-identification-tracking-mosques

He said he would consider warrantless searches of Muslims and increased surveillance of mosques. “Certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy.”

Asked whether this might mean registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion, the candidate would not rule it out.

“We’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”