It is so much harder to write naughty stuff

[holliday1960]

Well actually as a matter fact yes I am.

When you can establish a scenario plausible enough (a favorite of mine is All Females Naked and there are others) that the participants are naked in public doing sex acts to each or themselves then fine, you're away but when the man in the street is doing something of a sexual nature and we are expected to believe that everyone in sight isn't either taking a picture which they send to everyone they know on face book with the caption "Yuck Gross" followed by "more to come" and/or ringing the police to report what that disgusting man is doing then I for one am unconvinced.

In any case in public means under 18s might be there so that's a no no.

But look if you are convinced it is as easy to write plausible naughty fiction as it is to write standard general fiction then carry on believing that .

Link a few stories too.

Okay...first, thank you for the clarification. So, I guess I did understand correctly. Now, I can understand that having two dozen naked women participating in public sex is pretty far-fetched and I agree that I would be one of those saying 'Yeah, right' under those conditions...however, making a blanket statement that readers won't buy public sex in literature is... well... pardon me, but unbelievable. It happens every day. Yes, today, you do run the risk of being caught on camera. Twenty years ago...there was a greater chance of hell freezing over than that happening. I'm sure that many of us who are over 30 have some lovely public sex stories we could share, and I believe the readers would enjoy them...So...thanks for the inspiration! I'll be sure to include a few in my future stories.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

You cannot get away with something happening in public in a sex story. That Suspension crashes to the ground.

I've seen couples having sex in nature preserves and parks on several occasions. (It's even possible I did something like that myself, long ago.)

I've yet to see anyone actually murdered in front of me.

Public sex is not unbelievable in and of itself. (It generally looks pretty stupid, though.)

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I've seen couples having sex in nature preserves and parks on several occasions. (It's even possible I did something like that myself, long ago.)

I've yet to see anyone actually murdered in front of me.

Public sex is not unbelievable in and of itself. (It generally looks pretty stupid, though.)

Watched any porn lately?

 

[Hypoxia]

Attend a Castro Street fair in San Francisco and you'll see public GM sex. Lots of it. With 12-man daisy-chains and everything. That's IRL. Shouldn't be hard to write a fantasy-world version. Have a few International Sex Day holidays, or long weekends at no-clothes beaches, or normative public nudity and sex. I've read that some South Pacific cultures require nipple-kisses when greeting (normally) topless women. Write a society where oral sex is a standard greeting -- for all genders. Meet a new guy? Blow him. Meet a new gal? Tongue her. It's only polite.

 

[sr71plt]

Perfideous, you seem to have some hangups that prevent you from conceptualizing or writing about certain things. That's OK, but you also seem to be trying to set them up as premises for everyone else. Sorry, but these are just your individual hangups. Not going to worry about your hangups with you further.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I don't get it.

The dudes you're describing who can tell you the caliber and type of gun and Sci Fi dudes watch porn, don't they? Hello, plausible??? Doesn't bother them there

I don't get the question. Are you asking how you write something other than standard porn?

By that I mean overcome the suspension of disbelief.

You know you can start a non sex story with a guy walking downtown..tra la la...then a bullet blows his brains out and all the crime/ action fans go fuck! didn't see that coming. Moving target too! fantastic shot with wind and drop to allow for, probably a 145 grain soft head.

And his mate thinks it was a 148 FMJ from federal but the fact that out of the blue some poor bastard has been blown away is simply accepted as entirely plausible but dear God let the man get up to anything of an untoward , off color nature and you get

"As if! Well that's not going to happen, is it?"

The same victim might instead of being shot be struck by the ray from a time travel machine and do the sci fi nuts go "as if." No, they lap it up and go looking through their favorite Authors for something similar only in that case he was dropping to earth from an airplane that exploded in the Bermuda Triangle blah blah blah.

No, we have our work cut out for us like no other writers.

Mind you I think ours is much more fun to read- but then I'm biased.

 

[8letters]

I thought this thread was going to be about how hard it is to write sex scenes compared to the rest of the story. There are sex scenes that I'm excited to write and then there are sex scenes (typically plain vanilla ones) that I just skip over and come back to at the very end because I'm not excited about writing them.

And I haven't written that many plain vanilla sex scenes!

 

[plesmore]

I thought this thread was going to be about how hard it is to write sex scenes compared to the rest of the story. There are sex scenes that I'm excited to write and then there are sex scenes (typically plain vanilla ones) that I just skip over and come back to at the very end because I'm not excited about writing them.

And I haven't written that many plain vanilla sex scenes!

Maybe there should be more than 19 words used to describe interaction...wait, I think I may have counted cock twice.

 

[Perfideous]

I don't get it.

The dudes you're describing who can tell you the caliber and type of gun and Sci Fi dudes watch porn, don't they? Hello, plausible??? Doesn't bother them there

I don't get the question. Are you asking how you write something other than standard porn?

It wasn't a question it was an observation but it would be pointless to try and discuss them with you.

 

[Hypoxia]

Maybe there should be more than 19 words used to describe interaction...wait, I think I may have counted cock twice.

I was going to post an extract from The Bald-Headed Hermit and The Artichoke: An Erotic Thesaurus by A.D. Peterkin but that would be overkill. Check it out.

 

[holliday1960]

It wasn't a question it was an observation but it would be pointless to try and discuss them with you.

I think your original post was confusing to more than just me. (Which is why I asked for you to clarify precisely what you meant.) I have expressed here that depending on many factors, I don't agree with you that all public sex scenes would be unbelievable to the readers. I did agree that certain situations would be hard to swallow for me, but that's just because I have no personal experience with seeing 24 naked women having sex in the street.

So, I posed this plausibility question to an eighteen year old Bi-female. Her response was "Absolutely! I could see that happening. But, I wouldn't care to be one of the two dozen women. If I were going to have public sex, it would be with one person in a setting like a beach, or possibly an elevator. That's because I don't like group sex, though."

After giving it some reconsideration, I'm sure there are others who also would admit to having sex in a theatre, or a lounge. I know one girl who had sex on a construction site! I'll even go one step further than that. I have seen (in one American city with a history of sexual promiscuity) large groups of individuals engaged in sex acts on the streets. (I'd tell you where it happened, but then the city might become over-crowded with everyone wanting to move there!)

All that having been said, I found writing erotica very difficult when I first started writing, twelve years ago. I felt that fictional stories may not be well received because of the fantasy element. (I was wrong about that.) I had misgivings about stories based on my own RL experiences as well...not enough shock value? (Again, wrong about that as well.)

My hat is off to those who write in sci-fi or even some non-human categories. It takes a lot of imagination and creativity in my opinion. I didn't think I would ever master the art of writing about something I had never done or never fantasized about...such as lesbian sex, incest, or even interracial stories. Thanks to someone who encouraged me to give it a try, I found out that I can write in at least one of those categories. (I still won't tackle sci-fi however.)
Again, I will say thanks for the inspiration to write more public sex scenes in my future submissions. We'll have to see whether the readers enjoy them or not.

 

[Axelotto]

Not sure I follow your original argument

I have enjoyed a number of crime novels that started off in mid-crime, and took off from there, but that isn't by any measure the norm for crime stories (except in traditional Chinese detective stories, where its a trope)... most crime stories start slow and build up to the climax. For that matter, starting in-progress and explaining things later is kind of mainstream TV and movie writing these days, because it makes for a great teaser/hook for the story.

Admittedly, I haven't read ALL the porns, but I've been reading dirty stories for more than 30 years, and a lot of it also starts slow and builds to a climax or climaxes. Still, that doesn't mean you can't start out already fucking in your dirty story, after all, the sex equivalent to your guy getting capped at the start would be either sudden-onset sex or sex in progress at the start.

And I know that kind of story is out these, I've seen it.

For instance, starting with sex in progress is a trope in Loving Wives cheater stories, whether its husband or wife, nothing says I'm cheating like starting the story with the cheaters caught fucking... the same thing ought to work in most story types.

Something like;
"Amanda was already running late for her meeting and now she was stuck in an elevator that stopped for EVERY floor. More riders got in at every floor, pushing her further back. She felt a hard chest against her back..."

starting off the story, start with the sex THEN throw in her fear of mimes and horrible childhood, instead of starting with it.

 

[AverageGary]

The hardest part is keeping it believable and real for everyone. I'll admit that most of my stories have more sex yhan plot/character development because I like sex. Some of my weaker stories have received the old "unbelievable " or "sophomoric fantasy" comment. However in writing erotic fantasy isn't there supposed to be a small suspension of belief.

 

[sr71plt]

I have enjoyed a number of crime novels that started off in mid-crime, and took off from there, but that isn't by any measure the norm for crime stories (except in traditional Chinese detective stories, where its a trope)... most crime stories start slow and build up to the climax. For that matter, starting in-progress and explaining things later is kind of mainstream TV and movie writing these days, because it makes for a great teaser/hook for the story.

Admittedly, I haven't read ALL the porns, but I've been reading dirty stories for more than 30 years, and a lot of it also starts slow and builds to a climax or climaxes. Still, that doesn't mean you can't start out already fucking in your dirty story, after all, the sex equivalent to your guy getting capped at the start would be either sudden-onset sex or sex in progress at the start.

And I know that kind of story is out these, I've seen it.

For instance, starting with sex in progress is a trope in Loving Wives cheater stories, whether its husband or wife, nothing says I'm cheating like starting the story with the cheaters caught fucking... the same thing ought to work in most story types.

Something like;
"Amanda was already running late for her meeting and now she was stuck in an elevator that stopped for EVERY floor. More riders got in at every floor, pushing her further back. She felt a hard chest against her back..."

starting off the story, start with the sex THEN throw in her fear of mimes and horrible childhood, instead of starting with it.

There's no one or two or three ways a story that works can be written (it's why so many stories are being written).

The story of mine that (probably) will post tomorrow is a GM crime mystery novella. It starts with rough sex and continues with rougher sex and continues yet again with even rougher sex and ends with sex. Still, even though the sex predominates in wordage devoted, the plot came first and is the most important element of the story--and the sex scenes serve the plot line. If you took the sex scenes away, you'd still have a crime mystery--very much like the sexually tame mysteries I write in the mainstream. That works just fine at Literotica. I placed in a Lit. contest this year with the same formula.

 

[Axelotto]

There's no one or two or three ways a story that works can be written (it's why so many stories are being written).

The story of mine that (probably) will post tomorrow is a GM crime mystery novella. It starts with rough sex and continues with rougher sex and continues yet again with even rougher sex and ends with sex. Still, even though the sex predominates in wordage devoted, the plot came first and is the most important element of the story--and the sex scenes serve the plot line. If you took the sex scenes away, you'd still have a crime mystery--very much like the sexually tame mysteries I write in the mainstream. That works just fine at Literotica. I placed in a Lit. contest this year with the same formula.

They did that to "Dixie Ray, Hollywood Star" ... cut to a R-rated version and released it as "It's Called Murder, Baby."

 

[slutindianwife]

Then y write?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

My latest starts in the midst of sex. A pimp finds his hooker gifting a guy, and kicks the guys ass and tries to grag her ass outta the house to toss onto the street. The hooker blows the pimps ass away.

I use such openings all the time.

 

[Mermania27]

The hardest part is keeping it believable and real for everyone. I'll admit that most of my stories have more sex yhan plot/character development because I like sex. Some of my weaker stories have received the old "unbelievable " or "sophomoric fantasy" comment. However in writing erotic fantasy isn't there supposed to be a small suspension of belief.

I like to write more sex than plot because it is really fun. I have a great time bringing characters together in a way I like to enjoy sex or would like to in the future. Exploring my fantasies in print seems to make my stories more intriguing and arousing. I always have the best sex during the creative process of my writing...haha.

 

[Hypoxia]

The hardest part is keeping it believable and real for everyone. <snip> However in writing erotic fantasy isn't there supposed to be a small suspension of belief.

It's never going to be "believable and real for everyone". Readers have differing histories and expectations. I find many highly-rated stories here, and many I really like, to be total bullshit, but fun -- for somebody. There seems to be high demand for parent-and-child-are-naked-so-they-fuck stories, and BDSM rituals and train-pulling and wittols / willing wimps I find highly unlikely, not to mention all the aliens, unicorns, undead, and scads of shemales. My realism ain't your realism.

IMHO "believable and real" are far less important than "coherent and consistent". Take it as a given that they're going to fuck kin or octogenarians or aliens or robots. Stick with the premise and make the action as hot as needed.

 

[holliday1960]

It's never going to be "believable and real for everyone". Readers have differing histories and expectations. I find many highly-rated stories here, and many I really like, to be total bullshit, but fun -- for somebody. There seems to be high demand for parent-and-child-are-naked-so-they-fuck stories, and BDSM rituals and train-pulling and wittols / willing wimps I find highly unlikely, not to mention all the aliens, unicorns, undead, and scads of shemales. My realism ain't your realism.

IMHO "believable and real" are far less important than "coherent and consistent". Take it as a given that they're going to fuck kin or octogenarians or aliens or robots. Stick with the premise and make the action as hot as needed.

Well, I was going to say I agree with you, Hypoxia, as usual. Then I got to reading the AH posts from yesterday and this morning. (Coherent? maybe two...consistency, however, you can depend on unfortunately.) Now, I'm just going to go pet my robotic unicorn until I feel better.

 

[Hypoxia]

I'm just going to go pet my robotic unicorn until I feel better.

If the two of you travel back in time you can keep at it longer. Then you'll feel better sooner. Unless the aliens interfere. Damn those Zeta Reticulans and their implants!

 

[TxRad]

If the two of you travel back in time you can keep at it longer. Then you'll feel better sooner. Unless the aliens interfere. Damn those Zeta Reticulans and their implants!

Implants do keep it up longer and harder. Or so I'm told.

 

[holliday1960]

Implants do keep it up longer and harder. Or so I'm told.

I've been told the same thing but like Hypoxia said, 'your realism ain't my realism', and if there's anything I love, it's realism. Hmm...maybe my robotic unicorn's horn is an implant...let me just go ask him.

 

[TxRad]

I've been told the same thing but like Hypoxia said, 'your realism ain't my realism', and if there's anything I love, it's realism. Hmm...maybe my robotic unicorn's horn is an implant...let me just go ask him.

Uh.... isn't everything on a robot an implant of one sort or another?

 

[Hypoxia]

Uh.... isn't everything on a robot an implant of one sort or another?

Not if it's strapped onto the outside. Then it's an explant. And certain items (probes, suctions, etc) could float near the 'bot without actually touching it -- play tricks with magnets, hey?

A story in hardcore underground comix SOFTCORE (Print Mint, 1973) features a Mad Scientist who built a robotic replica of himself but with a telescoping cock. His daughter appreciates this very much. I expect a robot unicorn to have a telescoping horn and other extending appendages.