Climate continues to change.

[4est_4est_Gump]

The ThrobDownSouth Million Man Math Methodology.

Corollary one: Throb hates anything that threatens the "Progressive" income tax, because he likes to punish him some rich people (unfortunately, no matter how hard he wishes it, they never seem to suffer under the lash of "Progressivism"). Because he believes "Progressive" to be an actual ECONOMIC term, then he assume everything else not based upon envy is "REGRESSIVE." That's just the beginning of his partisan hate-driven stupidity.

Two: Throb hates the FairTax.org because, it is "regressive." Again, this is not an economic term, but an extension of stupidity.

∴ The FairTax.org must be impugned, ridiculed and defeated at any cost (much like FroDOH! when it comes to real Science versus political Science).

So along comes A_J who says, according to the Studies (which were done at the best schools and financed by rich people who were smugly convinced that the Flat Tax was the best taxing method for raising the maximal amount of government revenue), 30% of the cost of every item you purchase is the cost of compliance to government tax law which the FairTax.org eliminates.

∴ Under the FairTax.org, the consumer would save money, because if you take the 30% cost out of the example, the $1 candy bar and then apply the FairTax.org to it, you now pay $.97 for that candy bar according to A_J, the guy with a math degree.

NOT SO FAST THERE!!! whines Throb the Political Mathematician...

Political Math says that companies ignore economics and this savings becomes nothing but profit and now the candy bar costs $1.30 which makes A_J not just an idiot, but a liar, because he doesn't know the first think about math...


Now keep in mind, that this is a guy whose favorite Trump card whenever we discuss anything remotely connected with finance is "Economics 101!"

But as we can clearly see, when it comes to his baser partisan bent, economics and mathematics go out with the bathwater...

His religiosity is no different than yours, FroDOH!

When presented with anything that counters your dogma, you cannot think on your feet, you cannot construct a cogent argument, all you can do is duck, run, impugn, engage in ridicule and come back another day with another picture or graph that some one has told you proves the case and because you have no grounding in either Science, or Math, you simply choose to believe it despite any facts that lead those with actual training in the Sciences to look at it with a great deal of skepticism...

Models, FroDOH! are not Science any more than "Progressive" has anything to do with actual economics.

 

[RobDownSouth]

My goodness, I've hit a nerve with Sensei Rotundo!

OPEC pumps oil out of the ground, right now for $50 a barrel, which is the cost the market will bear.

He would have us believe that OPEC would lower their price 30% if a flat tax were enacted.

He refuses to explain why the cost of production of commodity items like oil (and indeed, virtually all imports) will go down 30%.

 

[phrodeau]

My goodness, I've hit a nerve with Sensei Rotundo!

OPEC pumps oil out of the ground, right now for $50 a barrel, which is the cost the market will bear.

He would have us believe that OPEC would lower their price 30% if a flat tax were enacted.

He refuses to explain why the cost of production of commodity items like oil (and indeed, virtually all imports) will go down 30%.

He loves the attention.

http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?boardstrolls

 

[Disgustipated]

I'm not really sure AJ needed to waste all that time and effort on something we already know to be true.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He loves the attention.

http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?boardstrolls

So, what was your degree in again?

 

[RobDownSouth]

So, what was your degree in again?

Today's AJ logical fallacy is #AppealToAuthority

You unload trucks on the night shift, correct?

And this qualifies your expertise in what way?

 

[Elixxxher]

Sunny and hot here. Raining in Niagara Falls.

 

[Que]

This morning I was reflecting on climate change inside a hot muggy Downtown Phoenix parking garage. Normally we have fairly dry air but today it is quite humid. Climate continues to change.

Oh speaking of hot muggy weather in Phoenix today it is expected that we will set a new record. For the absolute coldest high temperature for this day ever recorded in all the annals of human history. I for one am not looking forward to global cooling

 

[thør]

This morning I was reflecting on climate change inside a hot muggy Downtown Phoenix parking garage. Normally we have fairly dry air but today it is quite humid. Climate continues to change.

Oh speaking of hot muggy weather in Phoenix today it is expected that we will set a new record. For the absolute coldest high temperature for this day ever recorded in all the annals of human history. I for one am not looking forward to global cooling

Looking at overall trends, I'd bet a paycheck that today's record in your town won't be the pivot point to global cooling.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Where's FroDOH! to brag about his degree?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This morning I was reflecting on climate change inside a hot muggy Downtown Phoenix parking garage. Normally we have fairly dry air but today it is quite humid. Climate continues to change.

Oh speaking of hot muggy weather in Phoenix today it is expected that we will set a new record. For the absolute coldest high temperature for this day ever recorded in all the annals of human history. I for one am not looking forward to global cooling

The problem for you is that the increased hurricane activity predicted for, oh so many, of these last decades is clearly a lagging indicator since so much CO2 and heat has been stored in Oceans Republican...



... now, you get a hurricane finally moving in and NOW! you have your proof.

 

[Que]

Looking at overall trends, I'd bet a paycheck that today's record in your town won't be the pivot point to global cooling.

No bet. Neither is a record high temperture in a heat island paved with blacktop with modern instruments in Des Moines on a tuesday even remotely statistically interesting when one reviews the geological record over eons of time.

When and if humans are inconvenienced by actual climate change, it will be because of orbits or solar cycles. We may well pray that we can trap some heat in, or we may burn to a crisp. Frodo's weather reports for the blink of an eye that humans have been on the planet, much less had measurements from space are beyond meaningless.

 

[phrodeau]

Be sure to keep us posted when the temperature records show anything below the 20th century average.

 

[Que]

Be sure to keep us posted when the temperature records show anything below the 20th century average.

I've explained to you how to rectify the holes in your knowledge base that prevent you from understanding the sort of statistical analysis that would be required for you to have any idea what you're talking about.

You're not interested, so just go ahead and keep preaching the word. You're really no different than that guy that's preaching the gospel in the other thread. he has just as valid evidence for his thread as you do. he also quote unquote researchers for confirmation bias meaning he just looks for others who have done enough work to be able to post something that looks reasonably convincing. You haven't the foggiest idea about what significant figures means.

 

[phrodeau]

I've explained to you how to rectify the holes in your knowledge base that prevent you from understanding the sort of statistical analysis that would be required for you to have any idea what you're talking about.

You're not interested, so just go ahead and keep preaching the word. You're really no different than that guy that's preaching the gospel in the other thread. he has just as valid evidence for his thread as you do. he also quote unquote researchers for confirmation bias meaning he just looks for others who have done enough work to be able to post something that looks reasonably convincing. You haven't the foggiest idea about what significant figures means.

Let's see your evidence.

 

[Que]

Let's see your evidence.

My evidence that a year, a decade or your entire lifetime in geologic terms is meaningless?

Math.

You actually want an arithmatic proof of that? Take the denominator and divide it into the numerator if you want that expressed as a decimal.

 

[phrodeau]

My evidence that a year, a decade or your entire lifetime in geologic terms is meaningless?

Math.

You actually want an arithmatic proof of that? Take the denominator and divide it into the numerator if you want that expressed as a decimal.

It would be a start, and your first scientific contribution to the thread.

 

[Disgustipated]

Does he really think that we think that when it's a hot day in Phoenix it means climate change?

 

[thør]

Does he really think that we think that when it's a cold day in Phoenix it means climate change?

FYP, YW

 

[Que]

Does he really think that we think that when it's a hot day in Phoenix it means climate change?

You are part of his "we" that "thinks" about climate change?

Huh.

The best way to find out what I think would be to ask me directly. What I think is that it's already been decided that there's no thinking that needs to be done about climate change; it's settled science, remember? I think you might have lost your hymnal.

I actually do think and read about climate change. I seriously doubt that your interest in it is more than Twitter depth but feel free to elaborate on your thoughts.

My thoughts on the subject have been expressed numerous times, but for those j7st now "thinking" about climate change my thoughts are these:

The climate of the Earth has been shown to vary signifigantly over eons of time in fairly regular cycles.

Cycles that predate humans obviously cannot be blamed on humans.

During some of those cycles, dramatically high CO2 concentrations existed coinciding with low temperatures.

Co2 levels are rising and man's impact, specifically burning of fossil fuels is the largest contributer to so-called greenhouse gases.

Green-house gas concentrations have, so far, had no appreciable effect on altering the already existing, pre-industrial age trajectory of the earths warming.

The earth has been warming since the last ice age. Either we will reach a new apogee of temperature before thevearth cycles to the next cooling period, or we will not. Either way, the actual temperture will not reach venusian class, because venus is in it's orbit, the earth in it's own. Chicken Little nonsense that a TINY seemingly valid increase as measured with modern instruments versus primitive instruments and record keeping is the death of us all is silly. Humans exist from the himalayas to death valley.

Frodo's latest "proof" is a fraction of a percent to nothing, depending on where the accurate, unknowable number is since the alleged change is within the margin of error. To put it in election terms, Trump is leading Clinton by .5% on a pol with a 3% margin of error means that the poll says its a tie. When the margin of error is larger than the delta percentage the change is meaningless.

The Earth is getting warmer, orbits and solar activity cycles are the prime movers historically and are just as active today.

Mankind probably will add marginally to those swings, but mankind could not, for example forestall an impending ice age withvall the coal in china, so to speak.

Global warming is the least likely catastrophe to befall the Earth at the hand of man. Plague, famine, and nuclear annihilation are far more likely.

The one and only alleged Climate impact man has is greenhouse gases. No one. Literally no one, has any idea how much concentration has what effect. People have guessed, modeled it and been wrong every single time with both forward projection and historical overviews.

No one knows what the Earth does with more carbon dioxide, other than of course grow more green things which produce more oxygen. To what extent that would be a factor no one knows.

I guess, I shpuldn't say no one knows. Phrodo knows. He has the faith of a true believer. he regularly peruses the scriptures and post things that the alarmists like to post. I could obviously find any number of denialist citations and post those and neither you nor Frodo are in any way qualified to compare the two.

I wouldn't bother because the fact remains no one knows.

 

[Que]

It would be a start, and your first scientific contribution to the thread.

You're a scientist?

Ok here you go, the limit of one year divided by an epoch as the epoch approaches infinity is zero. You're welcome.

4st is gonna laugh because that is probably off.

 

[Disgustipated]

This morning I was reflecting on climate change inside a hot muggy Downtown Phoenix parking garage. Normally we have fairly dry air but today it is quite humid. Climate continues to change.

Oh speaking of hot muggy weather in Phoenix today it is expected that we will set a new record. For the absolute coldest high temperature for this day ever recorded in all the annals of human history. I for one am not looking forward to global cooling

You are part of his "we" that "thinks" about climate change?

Huh.

The best way to find out what I think would be to ask me directly. What I think is that it's already been decided that there's no thinking that needs to be done about climate change; it's settled science, remember? I think you might have lost your hymnal.

I actually do think and read about climate change. I seriously doubt that your interest in it is more than Twitter depth but feel free to elaborate on your thoughts.

My thoughts on the subject have been expressed numerous times, but for those j7st now "thinking" about climate change my thoughts are these:

The climate of the Earth has been shown to vary signifigantly over eons of time in fairly regular cycles.

Cycles that predate humans obviously cannot be blamed on humans.

During some of those cycles, dramatically high CO2 concentrations existed coinciding with low temperatures.

Co2 levels are rising and man's impact, specifically burning of fossil fuels is the largest contributer to so-called greenhouse gases.

Green-house gas concentrations have, so far, had no appreciable effect on altering the already existing, pre-industrial age trajectory of the earths warming.

The earth has been warming since the last ice age. Either we will reach a new apogee of temperature before thevearth cycles to the next cooling period, or we will not. Either way, the actual temperture will not reach venusian class, because venus is in it's orbit, the earth in it's own. Chicken Little nonsense that a TINY seemingly valid increase as measured with modern instruments versus primitive instruments and record keeping is the death of us all is silly. Humans exist from the himalayas to death valley.

Frodo's latest "proof" is a fraction of a percent to nothing, depending on where the accurate, unknowable number is since the alleged change is within the margin of error. To put it in election terms, Trump is leading Clinton by .5% on a pol with a 3% margin of error means that the poll says its a tie. When the margin of error is larger than the delta percentage the change is meaningless.

The Earth is getting warmer, orbits and solar activity cycles are the prime movers historically and are just as active today.

Mankind probably will add marginally to those swings, but mankind could not, for example forestall an impending ice age withvall the coal in china, so to speak.

Global warming is the least likely catastrophe to befall the Earth at the hand of man. Plague, famine, and nuclear annihilation are far more likely.

The one and only alleged Climate impact man has is greenhouse gases. No one. Literally no one, has any idea how much concentration has what effect. People have guessed, modeled it and been wrong every single time with both forward projection and historical overviews.

No one knows what the Earth does with more carbon dioxide, other than of course grow more green things which produce more oxygen. To what extent that would be a factor no one knows.

I guess, I shpuldn't say no one knows. Phrodo knows. He has the faith of a true believer. he regularly peruses the scriptures and post things that the alarmists like to post. I could obviously find any number of denialist citations and post those and neither you nor Frodo are in any way qualified to compare the two.

I wouldn't bother because the fact remains no one knows.

Wounded bird syndrome aside...

Which of these posts would you like me to take seriously? Let's start there.

 

[Que]

Oops. I may need to modify that Epoch. I have to admit I haven't really read Frodo's Bible cover to cover so I'm not sure .

Frodo how old is the earth? If it's 6000 years I'm going to have to do a little bit of reconfiguring.

And about the dinosaur bones did God bring them here on spaceships from other worlds or what's the dealy-o there? These things are kind of important.

I have to admit I am not of your faith so I don't know it's tenents.

 

[Que]

Wounded bird syndrome aside...

Which of these posts would you like me to Google for refudiation? Let's start there. Because Googling ALL that seems like a whole lot of work.

What's with the weird fascination with Wounded Birds. Is that some sort of projection? I have never really seen you as the psychically wounded but I'm open to the idea.

I can tell in context that i am supposed to shrink in fear of your tremendous insight into my psyche, but if you're even partially right you're going to have to break through my barriers of denial first and you've really got your work cut out for you because I don't really see myself that way and how you see me is far less than even remotely relevant.

I realize that you're right now frantically Googling for some little tidbit that you can post to somehow prove the above not to he a valid point of view, but why not just ask phrodo if he can send the Gaia witnesses by with some pamphlets.

As I suggested, you have no need to argue with anything that I beleive about the above, you can simply dismiss it out of hand, as I was certain you would. What I suggested was that you were free to put down in your own words what you think is happening to the Earth. You can articulate what it is that you think you know about global warming.


Pretend you are Martin Luther and just rattle off a few bullet points that you think to be true that you deem worthy of nailing to the door. Or chicken little which ever that religion actually worship... I'm not sure.

Alternatively, you could simply look for spelling and grammatical errors.

 

[phrodeau]

Species threatened by climate change.

Crops impacted by climate change.

Coastal populations threatened by climate change.

Bonus: Anti-science bias in American press.