Here's How Donald Trump Could Become President

[Sean Renaud]

We should have stayed in Iraq because that was the right thing to do for our national interests, dumbass. We wouldn't have near the problems we have now with ISIS and other radicals if we had kept our forces there. And fuck what the Iraqis wanted. Do you think the Germans and Japanese wanted us in their countries after WWII?

Ultimately they are not the same situation. Germany and Japan were and are both countries with largely homogeneous populations. We didn't stay in Germany/Japan to keep them from falling to chaos. We stayed so we could eliminate their militaries to a large degree and prevent round three.

Iraq by contrast was always going to fall apart the moment we left because it's not meant to be a country to begin with. You're right of course we wouldn't have the "problems" we have with ISIS if we'd stayed. Instead of them mostly killing each other we'd still have our soldiers over there. Which I suppose would be good for them.

 

[Disgustipated]

Stupid fucking comment. Arguing with you fuckers is a waste of time.

Agreed, but we still let you amuse us.

 

[Adre]

Stupid fucking comment. Arguing with you fuckers is a waste of time.

The old I'm too smart for you gambit. It has a familiar ring.

 

[Disgustipated]

Here's an excerpt from today's marching orders;

Don't believe the media polls people! POLLS ARE MEDIA HOGWASH!
From an independent pollster (Rick Poole-Arizona)
We have just completed our own poll since we cannot get factual information from the mainstream media!! We called 1000 homes in each of the 50 states and asked basic questions on the economy, terrorism, immigration and presidential pick.
Economy was the number one factor that Americans are concerned about and terrorism was number two.
Presidential pick was Trump by a large percentage.
Trump 33478 votes 67%
Clinton 9788 Votes 19%
Undecided or other 6739 votes 13%
My friends and I are all Graduate students from all walks of life we meet to discuss stuff. 13 people who like and have served in the Military. It took us most of two weeks to be sure our calls were to all people and not just one party or an other we called Americans.. our poll is by taking registered voter lists and we accumulated 33% repub, 33% dems and 34% ind.. our poll consisted of 1000 calls per state. all 50 states. 50,000 people are in this poll not the 100 like other polls.

Do some basic math.

 

[about_average]

Who was going to make us leave?

Who said anyone was going to make us leave? I certainly didn't.

What I did say was that the Bush administration negotiated and signed an agreement that we would be out by Dec 31, 2011 unless the Iraqi government asked us to stay. Which they didn't do despite the Obama administrations efforts to get them to.

Apparently you don't realize the US has an obligation to abide by international agreements and treaties. If we don't, why would any other country?

As for Germany and Japan, entirely different situations, the main being that the US formally declared war on the first and Germany declared war on the US.
If congress had had the guts to do their job and declare war, then yeah, there probably wouldn't have been a U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement and we could have stayed as long as we wanted.

And as to the original point, Obama being the founder if ISIS, they started operations in Iraq in 2004, when Bush was president. Trump, you and all your fellow Trump apologists need to take some history lessons.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Stupid fucking comment. Arguing with you fuckers is a waste of time.

It's finally beginning to sink in? to dawn? to be clear?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Who said anyone was going to make us leave? I certainly didn't.

What I did say was that the Bush administration negotiated and signed an agreement that we would be out by Dec 31, 2011 unless the Iraqi government asked us to stay. Which they didn't do despite the Obama administrations efforts to get them to.

Apparently you don't realize the US has an obligation to abide by international agreements and treaties. If we don't, why would any other country?

As for Germany and Japan, entirely different situations, the main being that the US formally declared war on the first and Germany declared war on the US.
If congress had had the guts to do their job and declare war, then yeah, there probably wouldn't have been a U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement and we could have stayed as long as we wanted.

And as to the original point, Obama being the founder if ISIS, they started operations in Iraq in 2004, when Bush was president. Trump, you and all your fellow Trump apologists need to take some history lessons.

While this is true, there are other mitigating factors to consider. The first is, all we were told for eight years was how bad Bush was, how disastrous Bush was, how stupid Bush was and Obama was going to come in, like a breath of fresh air and was going to undo and mitigate all of Bush's stupidity and error, yet he seemed to learn not one thing from the errors of Bush and he allowed them to stand.

Now, we all have our theories on why he did that. You say, his hands were tied. That is debatable. I say he wanted failure in Iraq in order to end the era of nation-building and exporting Democracy (not to mention the big Democrat I told you so that had been ongoing ever since they voted for the invasion). As we saw when the thing began to fall apart, the Liberals here started arguing, those people hate each other, they're animals (almost as if the considered them [in chipbutty's words] sub-human [sic]) and we should just let them kill each other. Instead of letting them kill each other, Obama has engaged in McNamaraesque gradual buildup in Irag and Libya, an indirect admission of failure to which we can add, like his ignored Syrian red line, he has virtually ignored his timeline for withdrawal from Iraq, so maybe he is capable of learning from failure, but I kind of doubt it, it's more likely he just wants the can down the road to tarnish whoever else is next in line, since he has already taken his victory laps on all fronts Islamic.

I would argue that the agreement, in face of actual reality would easily be renegotiated had it been his desire. All he would have had to do was lay down the gauntlet and tell the Iraqi government, if you want our continued aid, if you want the implied continual protection of the US against your regional enemy Iran, then you will simply agree to the hold harmless agreement and allow us to keep troops based in Iraq and thus guarantee stability.

But no. His arrogance and surety, surety not earned and as we learned, in 2008, we were told that he was qualified to lead and to govern because he had run a successful campaign and that was his sole qualifying achievement. So, he created a power vacuum in the region which ISIS rushed in to fill and attempt the creation of a Caliphate.

Did he found them?

No.

Did he enable them?

Yes. The Democrats own ISIS lock, stock and barrel...

 

[Ishmael]

While this is true, there are other mitigating factors to consider. The first is, all we were told for eight years was how bad Bush was, how disastrous Bush was, how stupid Bush was and Obama was going to come in, like a breath of fresh air and was going to undo and mitigate all of Bush's stupidity and error, yet he seemed to learn not one thing from the errors of Bush and he allowed them to stand.

Now, we all have our theories on why he did that. You say, his hands were tied. That is debatable. I say he wanted failure in Iraq in order to end the era of nation-building and exporting Democracy (not to mention the big Democrat I told you so that had been ongoing ever since they voted for the invasion). As we saw when the thing began to fall apart, the Liberals here started arguing, those people hate each other, they're animals (almost as if the considered them [in chipbutty's words] sub-human [sic]) and we should just let them kill each other. Instead of letting them kill each other, Obama has engaged in McNamaraesque gradual buildup in Irag and Libya, an indirect admission of failure to which we can add, like his ignored Syrian red line, he has virtually ignored his timeline for withdrawal from Iraq, so maybe he is capable of learning from failure, but I kind of doubt it, it's more likely he just wants the can down the road to tarnish whoever else is next in line, since he has already taken his victory laps on all fronts Islamic.

I would argue that the agreement, in face of actual reality would easily be renegotiated had it been his desire. All he would have had to do was lay down the gauntlet and tell the Iraqi government, if you want our continued aid, if you want the implied continual protection of the US against your regional enemy Iran, then you will simply agree to the hold harmless agreement and allow us to keep troops based in Iraq and thus guarantee stability.

But no. His arrogance and surety, surety not earned and as we learned, in 2008, we were told that he was qualified to lead and to govern because he had run a successful campaign and that was his sole qualifying achievement. So, he created a power vacuum in the region which ISIS rushed in to fill and attempt the creation of a Caliphate.

Did he found them?

No.

Did he enable them?

Yes. The Democrats own ISIS lock, stock and barrel...

And let us not forget his exportation of democracy by fomenting revolutions in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. (I'd add Turkey but that is a story in progress.) All aided and abetted by the current democrat nominee. Egypt came back from the brink, the rest are sewers that are going to take years to clean up.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Exactly.


All the Democrats did was scream about how Bush had no plans for when the shooting stopped. Then when given the chance, Obama and Clinton went in with no plan and the shooting has yet to stop, but those people are SUB-HUMAN [sic] and deserve what they are getting; Obama and Clinton are to be held blameless for doing the right thing, like when they sent guns from Libya to ISIS in Syria...

 

[toubab]

USC/LA TImes poll

http://cesrusc.org/election/

Clinton 44.2

Trump 43.1

 

[Adre]

Trump claims sarcasm about ISIS founders, but the BroPatrol is having none of that.

 

[Disgustipated]

The BroPatrol is perfectly ok rambling on for paragraphs defending Drumpf's words when Drumpf just throws the BroPatrol under the bus.

You fuckers can't even do basic math.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

SSSSSSSshhhhh... be vewy vewy qwiet. Ahm huntin' wascaws...

 

[Adre]

Did I interrupt your donut hour, El Lardo? Sorry.

 

[Disgustipated]

SSSSSSSshhhhh... be vewy vewy qwiet. Ahm huntin' wascaws...

Exactly three people thought this was ever funny;

vettebirther (captured by ISIS)
koaladipshit (captured by the Grim Reaper)
miles (captured by his wife)

All are personae non gratae on the Lit.

 

[Adre]

It's AJ's idea of original thought. He checked American Thinker but they didn't have a response for him to copy.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The brain trust still hasn't found that picture...


I don't respect stupid.


Stupid is taking talking points from Throb, who just makes shit up because he knows that stupid will believe him...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

While this is true, there are other mitigating factors to consider. The first is, all we were told for eight years was how bad Bush was, how disastrous Bush was, how stupid Bush was and Obama was going to come in, like a breath of fresh air and was going to undo and mitigate all of Bush's stupidity and error, yet he seemed to learn not one thing from the errors of Bush and he allowed them to stand.

Now, we all have our theories on why he did that. You say, his hands were tied. That is debatable. I say he wanted failure in Iraq in order to end the era of nation-building and exporting Democracy (not to mention the big Democrat I told you so that had been ongoing ever since they voted for the invasion). As we saw when the thing began to fall apart, the Liberals here started arguing, those people hate each other, they're animals (almost as if the considered them [in chipbutty's words] sub-human [sic]) and we should just let them kill each other. Instead of letting them kill each other, Obama has engaged in McNamaraesque gradual buildup in Irag and Libya, an indirect admission of failure to which we can add, like his ignored Syrian red line, he has virtually ignored his timeline for withdrawal from Iraq, so maybe he is capable of learning from failure, but I kind of doubt it, it's more likely he just wants the can down the road to tarnish whoever else is next in line, since he has already taken his victory laps on all fronts Islamic.

I would argue that the agreement, in face of actual reality would easily be renegotiated had it been his desire. All he would have had to do was lay down the gauntlet and tell the Iraqi government, if you want our continued aid, if you want the implied continual protection of the US against your regional enemy Iran, then you will simply agree to the hold harmless agreement and allow us to keep troops based in Iraq and thus guarantee stability.

But no. His arrogance and surety, surety not earned and as we learned, in 2008, we were told that he was qualified to lead and to govern because he had run a successful campaign and that was his sole qualifying achievement. So, he created a power vacuum in the region which ISIS rushed in to fill and attempt the creation of a Caliphate.

Did he found them?

No.

Did he enable them?

Yes. The Democrats own ISIS lock, stock and barrel...

Trump claims sarcasm about ISIS founders, but the BroPatrol is having none of that.

Contrasting Libertarian thought and discussion with stupid.

Maybe if you wait a while, Throb will come along and put some more words in your mouth Elmer...

 

[toubab]

Trump claims sarcasm about ISIS founders, but the BroPatrol is having none of that.

Are you people really this stupid? Of course it was sarcasm. As I said earlier, nobody but a moron would think Trump believes Obama literally founded ISIS. I don't know why I even respond to this stupid shit.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Are you people really this stupid? Of course it was sarcasm. As I said earlier, nobody but a moron would think Trump believes Obama literally founded ISIS. I don't know why I even respond to this stupid shit.

He doesn't even bother to read anything anyone posts. Stupid just comes in to throw insults and get the admiration of the rest of the gutter-snipe gang...

"But no. His arrogance and surety, surety not earned and as we learned, in 2008, we were told that he was qualified to lead and to govern because he had run a successful campaign and that was his sole qualifying achievement. So, he created a power vacuum in the region which ISIS rushed in to fill and attempt the creation of a Caliphate.

Did he found them?

No."

 

[Ishmael]

Contrasting Libertarian thought and discussion with stupid.

Maybe if you wait a while, Throb will come along and put some more words in your mouth Elmer...

It's in their "play book", the one disclosed in the hacked DNC memos. Its actually a Power Point presentation and *shock*, it's right out of ole Alinsky's recipe.......condensed version of course. Simple words for simple minds. If you bother to dig through that data dump you'll find it. What with Crazy Debbie running the DNC who would expect anything less?

Ishmael

 

[toubab]

He doesn't even bother to read anything anyone posts. Stupid just comes in to throw insults and get the admiration of the rest of the gutter-snipe gang...

"But no. His arrogance and surety, surety not earned and as we learned, in 2008, we were told that he was qualified to lead and to govern because he had run a successful campaign and that was his sole qualifying achievement. So, he created a power vacuum in the region which ISIS rushed in to fill and attempt the creation of a Caliphate.

Did he found them?

No."

I recall Hillary claiming Trump was a recruiter for ISIS. Was anybody stupid enough to take that literally?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's in their "play book", the one disclosed in the hacked DNC memos. Its actually a Power Point presentation and *shock*, it's right out of ole Alinsky's recipe.......condensed version of course. Simple words for simple minds. If you bother to dig through that data dump you'll find it. What with Crazy Debbie running the DNC who would expect anything less?

Ishmael

Whatever keeps us from discussing the latest bunch of emails showing how Hillary's aids worked for the foundation funneling the information on who paid for favors to their boss so that she could do them favors...



... with more to come. FBI says over 100 top Democrats have been hacked. Hard telling how deep under the Teapot Dome the corruption goes.

 

[Disgustipated]

He doesn't even bother to read anything anyone posts. Stupid just comes in to throw insults and get the admiration of the rest of the gutter-snipe gang...
"But no. His arrogance and surety, surety not earned and as we learned, in 2008, we were told that he was qualified to lead and to govern because he had run a successful campaign and that was his sole qualifying achievement. So, he created a power vacuum in the region which ISIS rushed in to fill and attempt the creation of a Caliphate.

Did he found them?

No.

Here's the part you truncated;

Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."

Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is "not sympathetic" to ISIS and "hates" and is "trying to kill them."
"I don't care," Trump said, according to a show transcript. "He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I recall Hillary claiming Trump was a recruiter for ISIS. Was anybody stupid enough to take that literally?

She stopped that as soon as the Trump camp released the videos of her husband and she had no video to release...,




AGAIN!!!

It is our fault for being confused and not hearing everything she said.