Is there anyone here whos lost one of these famous fabulous manufacturing jobs?

[Killswitch1]

Seriously. I don't know a single soul who lost some fantastic job "manufacturing"

I know several guys who got jobs at one of the Big 3 though.

Seriously.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/economy/americas-new-working-poor-in-manufacturing/

Think manufacturing jobs and you think of Boeing’s workforce in the Puget Sound region: well paid, good benefits, union representation, the bedrock of the old American middle class.

But a new report from researchers at the University of California at Berkeley indicates this is increasingly the outlier in U.S. manufacturing. It also raises questions about returning manufacturing jobs to the United States as a simple fix for rising income inequality.

The report found that from 2009 to 2013, the federal and state governments spent $10.2 billion annually on social safety net programs for workers and their families in frontline factory jobs.

These include food stamps (the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP),basic household income assistance (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF), Medicaid, Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) and the Federal Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). The study was first reported in the Washington Post.

Thank foreign outsourcing for this.

 

[Disgustipated]

That's not what he asked, shawty.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I was regulated out of manufacturing bidnizz by the communist in Sacramento.

Does that count?

Only 6 licences!! Because rich people don't want to share.....that's progress!!

 

[Killswitch1]

I was regulated out of manufacturing bidnizz by the communist in Sacramento.

Does that count?

Only 6 licences!! Because rich people don't want to share.....that's progress!!

And it was the best thing that happened to you and now you run your own scams. Like me.


I got fired almost 12 years ago to the day and started my own scam the next day and thank the people that fired me every day.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And it was the best thing that happened to you and now you run your own scams.

Not getting a licence to make a couple million a year because greedy democrats don't want to share and used the power of government to keep me from making more money was the best thing that happened to me?

LOL what kind of (D)commie kool-aid are you drinking??

 

[Killswitch1]

Not getting a licence to make a couple million a year because greedy democrats don't want to share was the best thing that happened to me?

LOL what kind of (D) kool-aid are you drinking??

I thought you run your own business now and make big money.

I dont want to hear some whiny I didn't or couldn't get a license for whatever because of someone elses bullshit....bullshit.

You sound like trump.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not getting a licence to make a couple million a year because greedy democrats don't want to share and used the power of government to keep me from making more money was the best thing that happened to me?

LOL what kind of (D)commie kool-aid are you drinking??

Those six licenses best cost more than a million or you've got no reason at all to complain.

 

[bronzeage]

I know quite a few people who lost jobs in the various chemical plants and refineries along the Mississippi River. When manufacturing moves overseas, they don't need the stuff that chemical plants produce in the US.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I thought you run your own business now and make big money.

Technically I run 5 but it's really just 2. I wanted a third but CA won't let me because reasons.

I dont want to hear some whiny I didn't or couldn't get a license for whatever because of someone elses bullshit....bullshit.

You sound like trump.

Yea because it ruins the KS narrative!!

I don't sound anything like Trump, my speech patterns and content are quite different.

Those six licenses best cost more than a million or you've got no reason at all to complain.

They dont' cost anything, you just can't have one.

Even if they weren't protecting them for rich people why should they cost more than a million?

With safety/environmental signed off they should cost a 20 dollar filing fee and I should get my shot at making money and paying taxes.

The ONLY reason they had for telling me no is to protect the hand full of RICH mother fuckers who got that licence then paid Sac to shut down the competition by blocking everyone else's opportunity. Typical liberal democrats.

 

[Conager]

Those six licenses best cost more than a million or you've got no reason at all to complain.

It's called crony capitalism, and there is every reason for every citizen to complain. Potential competitors, of course lose, suppliers to those competitors lose, and consumers lose.

The ONLY people that benefit from such regulatory schemes are the ones that get the "license" to have the police power of the state to bar others from entering the marketplace.

Some version of this goes on in every business you can think of. You can bet that some form of influence peddling is involved. Campaign contributions, endorsements, out-right bribes, patronage jobs, government contracts, insider trading, nepotism, conflicts of interest, bid rigging. It is a cesspool.

It is not exclusive to Democrats, it is just more visible and locally bankrupting because of their incestuous relationship with public sector unions. The guy signing off on your permit is a Democrat and can expect to retire at a much more generous package than any similar job in the private sector. Republicans do things like write the bidding specs so that they only fit one multi-billion-dollar corporation.

Republicans scam billions at a time. Democrats steal trillions in nickels and dimes at local, county, state, and national levels. Democrats steal far more because they reinvest the plunder in buying votes. GW Bush tried that on epic scale with Mediscam Drugs. Did no good for Republcans.

Far worse than the liberties denied that sparked the American Revolution.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The ONLY people that benefit from such regulatory schemes are the ones that get the "license" to have the police power of the state to bar others from entering the marketplace.

Ca's cannabis market regulations dropping in 2018? Only 2 licences for distribution, north and south state LOL

Dispensaries get max licencing integration and 4 acres of cultivation.

Farmers licences only get 2500 sq feet...you can get 5000 sq feet but those are limited and they get ZERO licence integration.

Essentially CA is going to try and put a 40 billion dollar a year industry into the hands of maybe a few hundred people and send the cops after everyone else.


And people wonder how the 1% got where they are....why income inequality is so extreme....then they turn around and vote for more of it. LOL

 

[Conager]

Ca's cannabis market regulations dropping in 2018? Only 2 licences for distribution, north and south state LOL

Dispensaries get max licencing integration and 4 acres of cultivation.

Farmers licences only get 2500 sq feet...you can get 5000 sq feet but those are limited and they get ZERO licence integration.

Essentially CA is going to try and put a 40 billion dollar a year industry into the hands of maybe a few hundred people and send the cops after everyone else.


And people wonder how the 1% got where they are....why income inequality is so extreme....then they turn around and vote for more of it. LOL

and they justify it that somehow this serves the public interest. Somehow this benefits Public Safety or keeps criminals out tour makes Law and Order possible or some other bullshit and none of that is true all it does is create a secondary Black Market

 

[removed9556]

 

[BotanyBoy]

and they justify it that somehow this serves the public interest. Somehow this benefits Public Safety or keeps criminals out tour makes Law and Order possible or some other bullshit t

They all think regulating can't be bad, is always good and always in the best public interest.

all it does is create a secondary Black Market

Best believe that shit.... bunch of county council meetings have turned ugly.

Hundreds of folks who have been fighting for legalization for years if not decades and just got written off AFTER the law passed (yep they retroactively changed the law to fuck most people out of the industry, typical neoLib Democrats) basically told CA to go ahead and send the cops.

 

[BotanyBoy]

KS, can you really be unaware that the US, like the UK and most other first world free market economies, has lost millions of manufacturing jobs over the last 30-40 years?

The US doesn't have a single solitary free market. The black market is as close as it gets.

Open a lemonade stand in L.A. and Jamba Juice will send the SWAT team after you.

What you cannot do, if you are to be taken seriously at all, is to deny that it happened, or that it is an inevitable corollary of the global market.

But Globalism is GOOD!! Never bad!!

Now say it or you're just a racist loonatic libertarian teahaddist!!!

 

[Disgustipated]

He mows a lawn all day and mainlines Round Up. I doubt there is much he's aware of.

 

[removed9556]

 

[Conager]

They all thing regulating can't be bad, is always good and always in the best public interest.

Best believe that shit.... bunch of county council meetings have turned ugly.

Hundreds of folks who have been fighting for legalization for years if not decades and just got written off AFTER the law passed (yep they retroactively changed the law to fuck most people out of the industry) basically told CA to go ahead and send the cops.

As well they should. The proper response to any unjust law is civil disobedience. Obviously one has to weigh the risks of such patriotism versus one's responsibilities.

If the state then resorts to threats of violence too enforce unjust law, insurrection is morally justified.

The problem is there are few to no issues where everyone's ox is being gored. Most people like it when their neighbor is being told by the local code compliance officer what he can or cannot do with his own property.

I think it's funny as hell that Dennis Rader was engaged in that line of work.

Now granted that Rob just stuffs the violation notice envelopes, but it does not surprise me that he is more or less engaged in that type of work in the private sector. You pretty much have to be a sociopath to be a tool of enforcement to oppress other people.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh, but of course...though I would have thought libertarians would be all for the global market. Absence of trade barriers and all that.

I agree I was just being a dick.

I think if first world economies want - really want - to help the developing world, then they ought to give them more money or education or training, paid for through charities or taxes.

Yea. And that money given should be limited to a start up, not an indefinite income stream.

If, on the other hand, they really wanted to destroy organized labour in their own backyard....*snipped for size*

But, of course, all that is entirely coincidental. It's all about helping raise up those poor peasants over there, and if you object you are a terrible human being.

Exactly..... it's all about being one people!!one world!! one government!!

As well they should. The proper response to any unjust law is civil disobedience. Obviously one has to weigh the risks of such patriotism versus one's responsibilities.

If the state then resorts to threats of violence too enforce unjust law, insurrection is morally justified.

The problem is there are few to no issues where everyone's ox is being gored. Most people like it when their neighbor is being told by the local code compliance officer what he can or cannot do with his own property.

I think it's funny as hell that Dennis Rader was engaged in that line of work.

Now granted that Rob just stuffs the violation notice envelopes, but it does not surprise me that he is more or less engaged in that type of work in the private sector. You pretty much have to be a sociopath to be a tool of enforcement to oppress other people.

There are really only 2 types of people in politics....those who want to be left the fuck alone and those can't stop fucking with other people.

 

[Conager]

Oh, but of course...though I would have thought libertarians would be all for the global market. Absence of trade barriers and all that.

I think if first world economies want - really want - to help the developing world, then they ought to give them more money or education or training, paid for through charities or taxes. If, on the other hand, they really wanted to destroy organized labour in their own backyard, without having to pay a penny in extra donations or taxes to the developing world, then it might just make sense to liberalize all markets and flood your own market with cheap imports with which you cannot possibly compete. At the same time, the loss of relatively well-paid, secure work on the domestic scene, together with the importation of masses of immigrant labour - again, all part of globalisation - would help depress wages, and mean that however patriotic the domestic base was, it simply could not afford to make the choice to buy local produce and manufacture at many times the price of the imported goods. Finally, such an approach would increase the proportion of the economy taken up by the banking and other service sectors, largely populated with the upper and middles classes, compared with the manual workers predominantly from the lower classes, as well as decreasing wages in proportion to stocks and shares and other forms of stored wealth.

But, of course, all that is entirely coincidental. It's all about helping raise up those poor peasants over there, and if you object you are a terrible human being.

You've got a more or less all of the players in the wrong roles. you have to look at economics and monetary supply going back the last 80 years or so. But let's just take my lifetime I was born in 1965 that was the first year that we quietly replaced our real silver quarters and dimes with fake ones. What's the difference? It's just a quarter after all.

It was done in about three stages but by 1972 all silver had also been removed from silver dollars.

The amount of manpower that should be exchangeable for goods and services that is required to get a dime's worth of silver out of the ground hasn't changed then or now it doesn't matter if it's Silver's dug up here or in Peru you still have to feed your miners.

In just a scant half-century, that dime has gone up 16 fold in value. Which is, of course, a misstatement; the value of a dollar has gone down by a factor of 16.

Manipulate the monetary supply and you can manipulate everything. The prices of goods, the prices of labor everything. You look like the hero to the working man when you're running a union or a bureaucracy and asking for ever increasing wages to keep up with the ever devalued dollar.

All of which distracts from the real issue why is it that the working man's dying doesn't go as far? The reason that we need to earn more than third world wages just to literally eat is because our money is nearly worthless.

The third world is the third world not because of first world oppression, the third world is the third world because of corruption, scarcity of resources, poor development of resources or any number of other factors, but one thing the third world does have going for it is that it is common to exchange a bowl of rice for labor given. You can't manipulate that.

That accounts for a lot of it. A lot of the supposed wealth in first world nations is not wealth at all, it is debt. Public debt that has been funnelled into the hands of voters to improve their standard of living without them having contributed to the wealth of the nation, mortgaged against future generations' productive capacity. That note has been called and is in default. There is no way we can produce our way out of the debt already incurred.

That's another large chunk of what we see as our rightful standard of living and it's not sustainable. The next chunk is personal debt and the ease with which credit is issued in the first world. 18 - 21% interest on 18 to 21% interest on credit cards with a repayment schedule stretching to darn near two decades is nothing that any bank ever expects will actually have the principal repaid. They don't need it repaid all they need is the obligation on their books to show as an asset, so they are then able to borrow money currently at 0% interest and loan it back to the federal government to sustain the otherwise unsustainable 40% that the federal government borrows for all of the spending discussed above.

Then add an entire layer of completely superfluous spending by the military-industrial complex for no other reason than to enrich the politicians that helped to form the Committees that write the specs to purchase the military hardware that we waste blowing up mud huts in the Middle East.

there are people that talk about the defense industry as if it is some sort of National Economic engine it is not it is an economic drain. When you spend $1000000 building a Tomahawk missile and you use it to knock down a hut that can be rebuilt by local laborers in a month at a cost of less than $50 you are just simply throwing money away.

None of the above, as well as future manipulations to money and spending would have been even remotely possible without the ability to do deficit spending by the US government and others and being able to use fiat currency which is only worth what we say it's worth and it's technically not worth that.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I know quite a few people who lost jobs in the various chemical plants and refineries along the Mississippi River. When manufacturing moves overseas, they don't need the stuff that chemical plants produce in the US.

Dow Chemical shutdown entire Ontario operations. Moved our site's production to Midland, Michigan. Went from $25 with good benefits to $15 with shyte benefits. Pipeline from west to Sarnia was in need of repair. Too expensive so Sarnia git hit real hard with chemical company job losses.

 

[snugglestruggle]

Globalization is about the 1% (aka ruling class or elites for the tinfoil crowd) pulling the rug out from under the middle class of industrialized nations, to build up the 3rd world.

 

[thør]

Nice to see new manufacturing in MI.

 

[Christobal]

I knew about seven people in the metro I lived in whose job moved overseas or out of state for lower wages and/or easier environmental regulations. The were all employed at least ten years and up to 23. I am not even making a statement about the wrong or right of this. I am saying it does happen.