Transgendereism

[Lord Pmann]

If I liked a male who wanted to be referred to as a female, or the reverse, I might do it, just to be nice, but that's my decision to make, not the government's.

Agreed.

 

[Ishmael]

Especially when calling someone who is scientifically male a title associated with the male species or vice versa. Perhaps we should all switch to the title Human instead of Mr or Mrs. That would be more inclusive. Unless someone identifies as an alien. In which case we are fucked and out some money.

I have no problem calling someone who was once a man "Miss" if that's what he/she wants to be called. No more skin off my donger. But if you can't see the problem with fining people for calling someone a pronoun that is scientifically acceptable, you're kind of a fucking idiot.

Or we could just refer to everyone as "Comrade."

Ishmael

 

[hashtag45]

I don't agree with this. I don't consider it harassment. I don't agree with monetary punishment for using the wrong words. These are my opinions and it is my prerogative to have them.

Quoting this has not changed my mind.

I did an online search for the definition of harassment but I feel that a crucial element is missing from those definitions.

When I think of harassment, something a bit in the line of bullying or, more likely "stalking" comes to my mind. Meaning that the person goes out of his way, to great lengths to approach and intrude on that individual with those types of comments or behaviors.

Otherwise, I feel that one might run the risk of overdoing it and labeling all the consistently rude or bigotted comments as "harassment".
Especially since unfounded accusations of "harassment" can easily land one in court, God forbid.

 

[Lancecastor]

cis name: chipbutty
trans name: butters

cis name: luke_atmydyk
trans name: disgustipated

cis name: seanh
trans name: sean

cis name: eyer
trans names: too many to list

 

[Darbhinder]

Cis name- aella
Tranny name- hsst345

 

[Disgustipated]

I doubt she read at all. http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_InterpretiveGuide_2015.pdf

Not reading past the headlines whilst flailing arms about is a GeeBee right, damnit.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Not reading past the headlines whilst flailing arms about is a GeeBee right, damnit.

Did you actually read it? Because other than LadyF's use of the word "will" instead of "can be fined", what she stated is explicitly in that PDF. Whether they WILL be charged $250k is a matter for the courts to decide. But both you and Ulaven jumped on her about it. Ulaven even posted something that completely backed up her point. Yet, you say she didn't read it?????

I'm no LadyF fan at all. I usually think her posts are awful. I once heard her sort of defend Kanye West. So I don't hold her in the highest regards. However, if someone who I don't like posts something that's factually correct, I'll take it as that.

You can be fined up to $250k for refusing to call a genetic male Mr or refusing to call someone Jane whose name is legally John. According to that document Ulaven posted, those are possibilities.

I want to repeat... You can be fined up to $250,000 for calling someone by their legal name. And people see no issue with this??? How fucking stupid can people be? Seriously.

a. Intentional or repeated refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun
or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.”
after she has made clear which pronouns and title she uses.

....

c. Conditioning an individual’s use of their preferred name on obtaining a courtordered name change or providing identification in that name. For example,
a covered entity may not refuse to call a transgender woman her preferred
name, Jane, because her identification says that her first name is John.

 

[Disgustipated]

Did you actually read it? Because other than LadyF's use of the word "will" instead of "can be fined", what she stated is explicitly in that PDF. Whether they WILL be charged $250k is a matter for the courts to decide. But both you and Ulaven jumped on her about it. Ulaven even posted something that completely backed up her point. Yet, you say she didn't read it?????

I'm no LadyF fan at all. I usually think her posts are awful. I once heard her sort of defend Kanye West. So I don't hold her in the highest regards. However, if someone who I don't like posts something that's factually correct, I'll take it as that.

You can be fined up to $250k for refusing to call a genetic male Mr or refusing to call someone Jane whose name is legally John. According to that document Ulaven posted, those are possibilities.

I want to repeat... You can be fined up to $250,000 for calling someone by their legal name. And people see no issue with this??? How fucking stupid can people be? Seriously.

I agree the fine is stupid beyond belief. So is the belief someone would actually incur a real fine.
Seems the "N" word would be dropped more in NYC than the "T" word.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I agree the fine is stupid beyond belief. So is the belief someone would actually incur a real fine.
Seems the "N" word would be dropped more in NYC than the "T" word.

While I do not think that someone will actually incur a $250k fine for calling someone named John by the name John, can you not see that there is a HUGE problem with something like that being on the books. Just like there were laws in certain places that dick sucking was illegal. No, it wasn't enforced. But don't you see it is problematic when the government is overreaching? This is a HUGE overreach in the name of equality and it's horrific that people see this kind of legislation as a positive step.

I think the term "N word" is also offensive. Louis CK sums it up nicely. (I'm not talking about Disgustipated's use specifically)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

I think when a person is literally afraid to use a word, in a matter of fact, non offensive context, we have become too stupid as a society. I'm not advocating the use of the word "nigger". Several people just gasped at my typing of the word. But this is the result of the pendulum swing of society. The word was used as a hateful slur for so many years. For the vast majority of civilized people, the word has been put to death. But the pendulum has swung so far to the other side that we cannot even say it in proper context.

Thats the same mentality that prevents someone being able to call someone by their legal name, at the risk of a $250k fine.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not reading past the headlines whilst flailing arms about is a GeeBee right, damnit.

I think it's a General Board-specific malaise to overlook the phrase "up to"

Both Struggle2Snuggle and Miles routinely insist that President Obama swore we'd have healthcare saving of $2500 (despite the transcript actually clearly stating "UP TO $2500"). Of course, both of these shitlords have a documented history of ascribing positions to people, then criticizing them for "their" positions...

And now we have a dubious reading of the NYC statute that clearly says fines "UP TO 125K" which is doubled in especially malicious instances.

 

[phrodeau]

He has the right to say it, but I don't have to live with it. That's the way it's always been. People have always taken the action they find appropriate when they feel insulted.

You'll demand a different mailman? Good luck with that.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Did you actually read it? Because other than LadyF's use of the word "will" instead of "can be fined", what she stated is explicitly in that PDF. Whether they WILL be charged $250k is a matter for the courts to decide. But both you and Ulaven jumped on her about it. Ulaven even posted something that completely backed up her point. Yet, you say she didn't read it?????

I'm no LadyF fan at all. I usually think her posts are awful. I once heard her sort of defend Kanye West. So I don't hold her in the highest regards. However, if someone who I don't like posts something that's factually correct, I'll take it as that.

You can be fined up to $250k for refusing to call a genetic male Mr or refusing to call someone Jane whose name is legally John. According to that document Ulaven posted, those are possibilities.

I want to repeat... You can be fined up to $250,000 for calling someone by their legal name. And people see no issue with this??? How fucking stupid can people be? Seriously.

I defended Kanye West? I don't even know any of his music. I literally can't name a single song. I don't listen to hip hop, never have.

 

[phrodeau]

I defended Kanye West? I don't even know any of his music. I literally can't name a single song. I don't listen to hip hop, never have.

He doesn't make music. He lets computers do it for him.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I think it's a General Board-specific malaise to overlook the phrase "up to"

Both Struggle2Snuggle and Miles routinely insist that President Obama swore we'd have healthcare saving of $2500 (despite the transcript actually clearly stating "UP TO $2500"). Of course, both of these shitlords have a documented history of ascribing positions to people, then criticizing them for "their" positions...

And now we have a dubious reading of the NYC statute that clearly says fines "UP TO 125K" which is doubled in especially malicious instances.

I read the statute and don't agree with it. That is my prerogative. My reading was of it was not dubious. On the news this morning they said $250k. Sometimes the news is wrong on details. I am too busy to google either way; in the end it doesn't matter to me, I would disagree with it if the fine were $10. I am allowed to disagree with a statute. You are allowed to agree with it. We can having differing opinions. We are adults.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

He doesn't make music. He lets computers do it for him.

I wouldn't know. I don't listen to the guy. There was one song I heard once I liked, something about running away or something. But I have no idea, for all I know he bangs sticks together while recording himself taking a dump.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I defended Kanye West? I don't even know any of his music. I literally can't name a single song. I don't listen to hip hop, never have.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1150975&highlight=kanye

Here is an entire thread where you enter a discussion about him. Now you may not agree that you defended him, but whatever.

My comment was that, despite people's opinions of people they don't like, they should at least recognize when someone makes a comment that is factually correct. People were jumping your shit about that article when there was no reason to do so. You cited it, for the most part, accurately. But, because people don't like you or they have an engrained bias, they refuse to see what is literally in black and white.

 

[Disgustipated]

This thread lacks comprehension, reading and memory. FFS, you fuckers are wrong about half your damn posts.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1150975&highlight=kanye

Here is an entire thread where you enter a discussion about him. Now you may not agree that you defended him, but whatever.

My comment was that, despite people's opinions of people they don't like, they should at least recognize when someone makes a comment that is factually correct. People were jumping your shit about that article when there was no reason to do so. You cited it, for the most part, accurately. But, because people don't like you or they have an engrained bias, they refuse to see what is literally in black and white.

How the fuck do you remember this? It doesn't ring a bell as I look at it.

I see it isn't about his music it is about his fashion. I scrolled two pages, don't see where people "jumped my shit" about an article. I am not being rude but I don't want to reread a thread that was a waste of your time and mine to begin with. I doubt I defended him because I don't care about him either way. I probably said something about respecting his success.

 

[Lancecastor]

This thread lacks comprehension, reading and memory. FFS, you fuckers are wrong about half your damn posts.

Good thing Luk "Hair Club" Atmydyk is here to correct your posts!

 

[Lord Pmann]

How the fuck do you remember this? It doesn't ring a bell as I look at it.

I see it isn't about his music it is about his fashion. I scrolled two pages, don't see where people "jumped my shit" about an article. I am not being rude but I don't want to reread a thread that was a waste of your time and mine to begin with. I doubt I defended him because I don't care about him either way. I probably said something about respecting his success.

I'm talking about Ulaven and Disgustipated "jumping your shit" in this thread.

How do I remember that? I have a good memory. I don't burn it up on drugs and alcohol like half the fuckers on this site do. Again, it's not worth the read. I don't really care to discuss the Kanye West thing. I was making the point that, despite one's distaste for another's beliefs, it should be respected if the person actually posts something factual.

There seems to be this thought here that if you agree with someone on something right winged you're in this group and you have to hate everything the other group says. Sometimes, it's possible, for people with whom we disagree to be right about something. I was annoyed that people were saying you hadn't read the article. Furthermore, there was even an article posted to contradict you that did nothing but prove your point.

 

[Liar]

If I liked a male who wanted to be referred to as a female, or the reverse, I might do it, just to be nice, but that's my decision to make, not the government's.

It is of course your decision to make, but IMO it's not you going out of your way to be nice, when adressing someone as they wish to be gendered. It's more of a case that you're an asshole if you go out of your way to misgender.

Sort of like you don't deserve a cookie for holding up the door behind you, but you deserve a slap if you deliberately let it hit the next guy in the face. It's basic manners.

But yeah, the government should not have anything to do with it.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

It is of course your decision to make, but IMO it's not you going out of your way to be nice, when adressing someone as they wish to be gendered. It's more of a case that you're an asshole if you go out of your way to misgender.

Sort of like you don't deserve a cookie for holding up the door behind you, but you deserve a slap if you deliberately let it hit the next guy in the face. It's basic manners.

But yeah, the government should not have anything to do with it.

Do you believe we should ask people, "Who do you want to be gendered?" How are we supposed to know? (I think "gendered" is a really stupid gerund-ish word so it pained me to type that.)

 

[Liar]

Do you believe we should ask people, "Who do you want to be gendered?"

Nope. But once you do know, it's your choice to be a dick about it, or not.

How are we supposed to know?

Um... by being told?

"What's your name, sir?"

"Susan, and it's miss."

"Right. And you last name, miss?"

See? Rocket science.

(I think "gendered" is a really stupid gerund-ish word so it pained me to type that.)

Your feelz about words is not my concern.

 

[toubab]

You'll demand a different mailman? Good luck with that.

I'll decide on the spur of the moment how to handle it if my mailman ever calls me a piece of shit. Demanding another mailman would not be a response I would expect from myself.

 

[hashtag45]

Government regulation of such things?
It's a step towards a Police State. Even if, in this case and in similar others (with the exception of the GB, of course), we'd all wish for people to address each other with respect and not abuse each other, it sets a very dangerous precedent.
Let alone the purposeful misinterpretations and witch hunting.

There surely must be other ways to make people be more civil to each other.