No one will bring our jobs back from China and Mexico like Trump?

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As it turns out, not so much.

Anywhere that Trump has had the power to replace American workers with foreign ones, he has done so with gusto. Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied for jobs at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, but only 17 were hired. Meanwhile, Trump pursued more than 500 visas for foreign workers.

Trump’s fondness for guest workers was brought to national attention by Reuters last summer, when the news service reported that the Donald had sought visas for over 1,000 foreign laborers since 2000.

This latest information shows that it was not for a lack of domestic applicants. Why would Trump prefer to use foreign workers? Cheap labor. While foreign employees must receive an area’s “prevailing wage,” as determined by the Labor Department, they have no power to leave their jobs without forfeiting their right to reside in the country. This leaves guest workers with no leverage to request raises and discourages many from reporting mistreatment or abuses on the job.

Trump, making Americans unemployed to further his own financial interests. Before he tries to "bring back our jobs from China and Mexico" he should try bringing them back from Palm Beach.

Bits and pieces from HERE.
 
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Trump's big idea for "bringing our jobs back" is for Americans to accept lower wages, which is typically not a platform you see American politicians running on. "Vote for me and be worse off!" tends not to inspire the voters.

Sanders called him out for this, and Trump went berserk on Twitter denying it. But he's said it multiple times: wages in America will simply have to go down if we're to compete internationally again.
 
Trump's big idea for "bringing our jobs back" is for Americans to accept lower wages, which is typically not a platform you see American politicians running on. "Vote for me and be worse off!" tends not to inspire the voters.

Sanders called him out for this, and Trump went berserk on Twitter denying it. But he's said it multiple times: wages in America will simply have to go down if we're to compete internationally again.

Exactly, fuck over the workers in the name of increased profits. He expects American workers to accept wages that even "cheap" Chinese workers are revolting against.

Several shoe manufacturers dealt with a major strike in China last year because workers refused to work for $1.67 per hour making shoes that sell for 100 times that or more. The Chinese government started arresting organizers of the strike.

Manufacturers are moving from China into Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Eastern Africa and Cambodia to exploit lax and nonexistent labor laws in those countries in order to employ even cheaper labor as Chinese workers wake up and begin to demand higher pay and more benefits.
 
Trump's big idea for "bringing our jobs back" is for Americans to accept lower wages, which is typically not a platform you see American politicians running on. "Vote for me and be worse off!" tends not to inspire the voters.

Sanders called him out for this, and Trump went berserk on Twitter denying it. But he's said it multiple times: wages in America will simply have to go down if we're to compete internationally again.

Wages aren't the only reason for the export of jobs. In poorer countries they are so desperate they will let businesses get away with almost anything.

Pollution control costs money. Solution: move the plant across the border where they don't care about pollution.

Safety systems cost money. Solution: shift production to a country where there is no health and safety legislation.

Employment rights make it more difficult to be flexible. Solution: shift production to a place where there are no human rights let alone employment rights.

If you want all those jobs back you have to accept Chinese and Mexican levels of pollution, Indian levels of safety, and malaysian levels of employment protection. When you've accepted all of that, you will have to accept Chinese levels of Salary. That is global capitalism.

Anyone who tells you he will bring back those jobs without those sacrifices is either an idiot or a liar, you choose which.
 
Trump's going to bring his clothing line manufacturing jobs to the US? Yeah, I doubt that! If he was serious about this, he would have already done this, or at the very least, had his minions searching the Carolinas for places to put up factories.

He lies more than a gaggle of mall rats sharing a large fry
 
Ever notice that no one moves jobs to Africa? Not enough monkeys there to train.
 
Ever notice that no one moves jobs to Africa? Not enough monkeys there to train.

Once again you show your complete ignorance of the world outside your trailer park in your attempt to make a bigoted jab.

Manufacturing jobs are being moved from China (where workers are striking and protesting low wages and lack of benefits) to Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Cambodia, and eastern Africa where they can exploit lax or nonexistent labor laws and extremely low rates of pay.
 
If you want all those jobs back you have to accept


No you don't....

You can also quit letting them play trade fuck fuck games. They are all waging economic warfare on the US and we have just been taking it up the ass for years, like a dummy in the boxing ring just taking blow after blow without ever putting his fists up.

You tax them and their products to the fucking MOON!! You motivate companies to hire and spend money in the US by making it cheaper to do business in the US.

Make it hurt company X so bad that they either leave the country and try to make it fly in a 3rd world shit hole or bring jobs back.


The sacrifice will be in the pocketbook here in America when your 80 dollar pair of shoes now costs 700 bucks.
 
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No you don't....

You can also quit letting them play trade fuck fuck games. They are all waging economic warfare on the US and we have just been taking it up the ass for years, like a dummy in the boxing ring just taking blow after blow without ever putting his fists up.

You tax them and their products to the fucking MOON!! You motivate companies to hire and spend money in the US by making it cheaper to do business in the US.

Make it hurt company X so bad that they either leave the country and try to make it fly in a 3rd world shit hole or bring jobs back.


The sacrifice will be in the pocketbook here in America when your 80 dollar pair of shoes now costs 700 bucks.

But then you find that other countries do the same to you. So your products are so expensive abroad that no one will buy them. The jobs you pulled back disappear because the companies can't sell their products outside of the US,

Your last comment is spot on and it can also be applied to the problems of immigration. Is America prepared to pay the price of having only home produced goods? Is America willing to pay more for their food and goods as a result of stemming the flow of cheap labour?
 
Why would you want those jobs back? Repetitous production work that doesn't require any education beyond high school. It makes sense to farm those out to countries who can do it cheaper. We should be more concerned about jobs that are based on technology. Farming methods to get more yield and better tasting food, energy efficient products for the home, personal communication devices, weapons, defense, etc...

Ideas that push us forward instead of worrying about the $10 t-shirt Walmart sells that was made in china for .02. If America really cared they would stop imports of those goods and destroy China's cheap labor force. Instead we put higher priorites on cheap good and services.

I don't see Trump bringing back these kinds of jobs. Even though I don't like him, it doesn't make sense to keep supporting the base level of society that feels school and education aren't important. McDonalds is always hiring, so they have a place to work.
 
But then you find that other countries do the same to you. So your products are so expensive abroad that no one will buy them. The jobs you pulled back disappear because the companies can't sell their products outside of the US,

I don't think any of these broke ass slave labor shit holes are propping up the US consumer society buying hundreds of billions in our products.

We send our money to other countries by the cargoship load and get fuck all in return.

If we declare economic war on these cock suckers we might lose a few products, and yea shit will suck for some folks for a while until it settles down. But they will starve to death by the MILLIONS, it will be infinitely uglier for them than it will be for us.

By the time we get to the people who matter like Mexico, Germany and Japan, the message of 'play fair or we'll cut your bitch ass off too' won't even have to be said.

Could you imagine if suddenly we stopped buying all German products overnight? LOL it would fucking destroy Europe in 48 hrs. :D

Your last comment is spot on and it can also be applied to the problems of immigration. Is America prepared to pay the price of having only home produced goods? Is America willing to pay more for their food and goods as a result of stemming the flow of cheap labour?

Trump and his supporters seem to think so.

I think it could be better in the long term to at least reel some of our "Let's just bend over and get fucked by EVERYONE!" trade policies.

But largely unimportant because it's not going to happen, the elites love these policies b/c they are the ones cashing in on them and as we speak they are doing everything they can to sink both Trump and Sanders so one of their establishment puppets who might as well all be the same fucking person can sit in the WH.

Why would you want those jobs back?

Because the idea of welfare for the people who's jobs we export instead of dragging them into the street and executing them wholesale sends the republicans to the fucking moon for some reason. Since they can't do the whole slave labor or exterminate poor people because you took their job for them they would rather just try and bring the shit jobs back to the US.
 
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Because the idea of welfare for the people who's jobs we export instead of dragging them into the street and executing them wholesale sends the republicans to the fucking moon for some reason. Since they can't do the whole slave labor or exterminate poor people because you took their job for them they would rather just try and bring the shit jobs back to the US.

Executing is a waste of resources, not to mention the clean up afterwards. I would propose sending them along with their job. They would get hands on experience of what "poor" really looks like and what it means to actually be grateful to have a job. Solves 2 problems at once.
 
Executing is a waste of resources, not to mention the clean up afterwards. I would propose sending them along with their job. They would get hands on experience of what "poor" really looks like and what it means to actually be grateful to have a job. Solves 2 problems at once.

Waste of fuel/resources.

Bullets are cheap.

Or we could just let them all starve/freeze/bleed to death in the streets...hell we don't even have to hire clean up crews to haul the foul ass carcasses off. No taxes are great!!

I've lived like that before, it's not so bad once you get past the smell. Summertime can get pretty brutal though. Sanitation...might want to keep that.

Or we could just tax the bazzillionaires who sent their job to some slave labor state and pay these jobless fucks a living wage to do menial shit for the state like pick up trash, crosswalk guard shit, hold a slow/stop sign for the DOT....clean up graffiti....fill fucking sandbags and shit...whatever. And just not do the whole total inhuman pieces of fucking shit part.

I'm in heavy favor of the latter but I'm down for the former too....there was a certain zest to life in the 3rd world I have to admit was surprisingly intoxicating.

Had I not had the family that I do, I'd have left the US like immediately after being cut loose from the Army, bound for the prettiest place I could do whatever the fuck I wanted and started a criminal empire. :devil:
 
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I don't think any of these broke ass slave labor shit holes are propping up the US consumer society buying hundreds of billions in our products.

We send our money to other countries by the cargoship load and get fuck all in return.[/quote ]

Ooh! What a poor hard done by country America is. I never realised.

If we declare economic war on these cock suckers we might lose a few products, and yea shit will suck for some folks for a while until it settles down. But they will starve to death by the MILLIONS, it will be infinitely uglier for them than it will be for us.

You do seem to be obsessed with death and destruction.

Your biggest external market is China, also the place that manufactures the most goods for American companies. Declaring economic war on your biggest market is madness.

By the time we get to the people who matter like Mexico, Germany and Japan, the message of 'play fair or we'll cut your bitch ass off too' won't even have to be said.

Just how are these countries not playing fair now. They are playing by the rules dictated by the, US dominated, World Trade Organisation.

Could you imagine if suddenly we stopped buying all German products overnight? LOL it would fucking destroy Europe in 48 hrs. :D

LOL Us trade amounts to 10% of Germany's total output. They export more to China than they do to the USA. Most of the "German" products sold in the US are actually manufactured in the US. You have an inflated opinion of the USA's economic importance.


I think it could be better in the long term to at least reel some of our "Let's just bend over and get fucked by EVERYONE!" trade policies.

Aah poor America. They already have more trade restrictions than any other country in the WTO. Don't believe me? take a look at steel imports. No free market there.

Then we have the hidden ones. The US military will not buy from foreign companies if it can be made in the US. The president's helicopters were developed and were due to be made in Britain, but the free market USA insisted that production was brought home. Electrical goods suppliers have always faced the problem that the US is the only country using 60 cycles per second. Voltage difference is no problem, but frequency means that to sell to the US you have to produce special products especially for that market. That is often uneconomic. A free market with the US has never existed.

But largely unimportant because it's not going to happen, the elites love these policies b/c they are the ones cashing in on them and as we speak they are doing everything they can to sink both Trump and Sanders so one of their establishment puppets who might as well all be the same fucking person can sit in the WH.

Right again, it's not going to happen but only partly for those reasons. It's true that the super-rich don't want it because they are the people who own the companies who benefit from outsourcing. They are also the people who finance election campaigns. However, the other reason is that people who trade with the outside world realise that trade restrictions would hurt the USA more than it would help. The USA is no longer the economic locomotive pulling the world's economy. That role has now gone to China. China catches a cold and we all sneeze.
 
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Your biggest external market is China, also the place that manufactures the most goods for American companies. Declaring economic war on your biggest market is madness.

Incorrect. The EU is technically America's biggest trading partner. But that is usually broken down into member countries. Little Canada beats China in total amount. China has the lowest exports/imports ratio. The US only exports a third of what it imports from China. Then Mexico. Trade between the NA countries is close to a balance.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States
 
Your biggest external market is China, also the place that manufactures the most goods for American companies. Declaring economic war on your biggest market is madness.

Maybe so but so is getting fucked by them for a few hundred billion a year not to mention millions of jobs.

It's not madness it's putting the opium pipe down.

You have an inflated opinion of the USA's economic importance.

Then why is the entire god damn planet freaking the fuck out over Trump doing as well as he is?:D

A free market with the US has never existed.

Where did I say one ever did? :confused:

However, the other reason is that people who trade with the outside world realise that trade restrictions would hurt the USA more than it would help.

Only in the short term while we get over our Chinese slave labor hangover. In the long term ending our dependency on their dick up our ass to keep prices at Wal Mart rock bottom, will be nothing but good. People will have to go out and buy from their neighbors....that's good.

The USA is no longer the economic locomotive pulling the world's economy. That role has now gone to China. China catches a cold and we all sneeze.

You'd like to think that but I don't think we are there yet.

1) because we have nothing to lose but a trade deficit....which is really just a win.

2) at the end of the day we can just say "Fuck it and fuck you" and get away with it.
 
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Then why is the entire god damn planet freaking the fuck out over Trump doing as well as he is?:D

Maybe because to the outside world he appears to be unhinged and putting the world's biggest arsenal under the control of an unstable man doesn't sound like a good idea.

Only in the short term while we get over our Chinese slave labor hangover. In the long term ending our dependency on their dick up our ass to keep prices at Wal Mart rock bottom, will be nothing but good. People will have to go out and buy from their neighbors....that's good.

I have to admit that I find this all rather amusing. We have a saying here that what happens in the US happens here ten years later. We had all of this happening to our country in the Thatcher era. Our motorcycle industry was destroyed, our car industry decimated. Ship building disappeared as did domestic appliances manufacture. At the time the US seemed impervious to the effects of the far eastern labour market, mainly due to its huge internal market. All the arguments you are using were used by my countrymen. Of course, we were in the EU so we weren't allowed to put any trade barriers up.

However, now our trade with the far east, China in particular, is swinging back the other way. China is the biggest market for Rolls Royce cars and we've even started selling small numbers of motorcycles to Japan. Perhaps the US just doesn't produce enough luxury goods to tempt the nouveau riche in the far east.

You'd like to think that but I don't think we are there yet.

1) because we have nothing to lose but a trade deficit....which is really just a win.

2) at the end of the day we can just say "Fuck it and fuck you" and get away with it.

Don't forget you have an absolutely huge national debt. That debt is owned, in no small part by the people on whom you declare economic war. True you could just default on that debt, but then the countries you owe the money to will simply seize assets owned by US companies to recover that debt. Your international patents would become unenforceable in those countries. The companies currently manufacturing goods for the US to sell abroad, companies like Apple, would sell them under their own brand. Come to think of it, they could even seize the brand name so they could sell under the original name. Your companies would find themselves competing with their own product being sold at half the price. Your companies could develop better products if they can stay afloat long enough to bring them to market.

These are the problems you face when you tear up the rule book.
 
Maybe because to the outside world he appears to be unhinged and putting the world's biggest arsenal under the control of an unstable man doesn't sound like a good idea.

That is not why everyone is freaking the fuck out......he's not threatening to nuke anyone or start dropping bombs on all these countries that are freaking shit over the prospect of Trump. Cruz/Rubio are 1,000 times the threat in that regard.

He's talking about trade wars and not handing out trillions a year just because it's fun to set money on fire.

THAT is why Trump scares the shit out of so many people.

It's about the money.....

Of course, we were in the EU so we weren't allowed to put any trade barriers up.

However, now our trade with the far east, China in particular, is swinging back the other way. China is the biggest market for Rolls Royce cars and we've even started selling small numbers of motorcycles to Japan. Perhaps the US just doesn't produce enough luxury goods to tempt the nouveau riche in the far east.

Well we are America and we can negotiate whatever trade deals we want.

Keep on hatin' haters!:D

We don't care about producing luxury goods for them, fuck them, we want our trillions a year back.

Let's see how many Rolls Royces you're selling them whenever they aren't getting astronomical amounts of money from us.;)

Don't forget you have an absolutely huge national debt. That debt is owned, in no small part by the people on whom you declare economic war. True you could just default on that debt, but then the countries you owe the money to will simply seize assets owned by US companies to recover that debt.

No biggie....it will shit on some US based companies but that's part of the hangover. Better bring those jobs home! Which is the whole point.

Your international patents would become unenforceable in those countries. The companies currently manufacturing goods for the US to sell abroad, companies like Apple, would sell them under their own brand. Come to think of it, they could even seize the brand name so they could sell under the original name. Your companies would find themselves competing with their own product being sold at half the price.

They already are LMAO!!!! Go check out a non US EU market and the cheap Chinese knock off i-everything is everywhere. South America, Africa, pretty much all of asia sans Japan. It's all totally flooded with cheap knock off's of American everything from i-whatevers to Kim Kardashian hair dryers.

Your companies could develop better products if they can stay afloat long enough to bring them to market.

Some will some wont...others will be born out of the vacuum left by those that do not and STILL employ more Americans keeping more money in the homeland by employing their neighbors instead of buying slave labor from the Chinese government.

These are the problems you face when you tear up the rule book.

Ohhhh noes.....I'm not sure if the US will survive saving Trillions of dollars a year and bringing millions of jobs back :rolleyes:
 
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That is not why everyone is freaking the fuck out......he's not threatening to nuke anyone or start dropping bombs on all these countries that are freaking shit over the prospect of Trump. Cruz/Rubio are 1,000 times the threat in that regard.

He's talking about trade wars and not handing out trillions a year just because it's fun to set money on fire.

THAT is why Trump scares the shit out of so many people.

It's about the money.....

I never said he threatened anything I said people worry about having a person who appears to be unstable, in charge of the Arsenal.

The latest thing seems to be that it would be the best thing that could happen for Trump to become President, because thr president can't really do anything. It will be interesting to see how fast he backpedals if he wins the nomination. In order to win the presidency he will need the votes of all those people he's been busy offending.


We don't care about producing luxury goods for them, fuck them, we want our trillions a year back.
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You can do that right now. Just take it from the people making their fortune from outsourcing.

Let's see how many Rolls Royces you're selling them whenever they aren't getting astronomical amounts of money from us.;)

What a philanthropic country you are giving away all this money and getting nothing back. Get real, youare paying them to produce cheap goods because your countrymen do not want to pay what it costs to manufacture in the USA.

No biggie....it will shit on some US based companies but that's part of the hangover. Better bring those jobs home! Which is the whole point.

And that is exactly what will happen if you leave the trivial labour intensive jobs off shore. Your companies will make better products find new markets and work from there.

They already are LMAO!!!! Go check out a non US EU market and the cheap Chinese knock off i-everything is everywhere. South America, Africa, pretty much all of asia sans Japan. It's all totally flooded with cheap knock off's of American everything from i-whatevers to Kim Kardashian hair dryers.

You don't get it. As soon as they don't have to honour agreements and patents it will not be cheap knock offs, it will be the real McCoy selling at half the price. Perhaps you don't remember Rotten Apple, I do and I'm sure Apple do. It lost them a lot of money. Only trade agreements and patent enforcement stopped it.

Some will some wont...others will be born out of the vacuum left by those that do not and STILL employ more Americans keeping more money in the homeland by employing their neighbors instead of buying slave labor from the Chinese government.

That is assuming people can still afford to buy the products that now cost so much more. However, it would be good for the planet. Americans are the biggest consumers in the world. The increased prices will limit their ability to consume, which can't be a bad thing.
 
I never said he threatened anything I said people worry about having a person who appears to be unstable, in charge of the Arsenal.

Meanwhile in the real world all the "electable" candidates are directly threatening all out war with real bombs and shit.

Trump says no to that and yes to economic war but you're telling me everyone is freaking shit over him using the arsenal everyone else threatens to actually use as soon as they are in office??

Sell that buushit elsewhere man, they are scared he's going to economically DESTROY the Chinese dick that's been firmly planted up Americas ass for 20 years and everyone but the elites are sick and god damn tired of. The establishment pimps in D.C. are freaking out because hoes are going rogue on them.:D

The latest thing seems to be that it would be the best thing that could happen for Trump to become President, because thr president can't really do anything. It will be interesting to see how fast he backpedals if he wins the nomination. In order to win the presidency he will need the votes of all those people he's been busy offending.

He won't backpedal 1 bit, he's going to call H(R)C a fat stinking shit filled establishment cunt and he'll pull more votes because of it. ;)

You don't win and anti-establishment campaign by sucking up to the establishment. In fact the more they fight him the better he has and will continue to do.

You can do that right now. Just take it from the people making their fortune from outsourcing.

Taxing the rich and corporations does NOT stem the flow of money/jobs out of America, I'm sorry but M'uricuh just isn't buying that fantasy anymore.

What a philanthropic country you are giving away all this money and getting nothing back. Get real, youare paying them to produce cheap goods because your countrymen do not want to pay what it costs to manufacture in the USA.

Well when they can buy tax free slave labor for a microscopic fraction of the price from China why would they?

That's what Trump is talking about changing.

And that is exactly what will happen if you leave the trivial labour intensive jobs off shore. Your companies will make better products find new markets and work from there.

Nope you can stop that shit too....you take money and jobs from the country? Gonna tax you 99% then pay an astronomical fuckin' fee.

You don't get it. As soon as they don't have to honour agreements and patents it will not be cheap knock offs, it will be the real McCoy selling at half the price. Perhaps you don't remember Rotten Apple, I do and I'm sure Apple do. It lost them a lot of money. Only trade agreements and patent enforcement stopped it.

You don't get it.

When Apple makes their new iphone7 and America is building it not China, China won't be making real McCoy, THEY CAN'T if we don't give it to them in the first place.

Taking it in the ass from them is NOT the only way to do business, you're insane to even suggest that.

That is assuming people can still afford to buy the products that now cost so much more. However, it would be good for the planet. Americans are the biggest consumers in the world. The increased prices will limit their ability to consume, which can't be a bad thing.

I didn't say it wouldn't hurt. Putting the opium down usually does.
But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
 
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Meanwhile in the real world all the "electable" candidates are directly threatening all out war with real bombs and shit.

Trump says no to that and yes to economic war but you're telling me everyone is freaking shit over him using the arsenal everyone else threatens to actually use as soon as they are in office??

Sell that buushit elsewhere man, they are scared he's going to economically DESTROY the Chinese dick that's been firmly planted up Americas ass for 20 years and everyone but the elites are sick and god damn tired of. The establishment pimps in D.C. are freaking out because hoes are going rogue on them.:D



He won't backpedal 1 bit, he's going to call H(R)C a fat stinking shit filled establishment cunt and he'll pull more votes because of it. ;)

You don't win and anti-establishment campaign by sucking up to the establishment. In fact the more they fight him the better he has and will continue to do.



Taxing the rich and corporations does NOT stem the flow of money/jobs out of America, I'm sorry but M'uricuh just isn't buying that fantasy anymore.



Well when they can buy tax free slave labor for a microscopic fraction of the price from China why would they?

That's what Trump is talking about changing.



Nope you can stop that shit too....you take money and jobs from the country? Gonna tax you 99% then pay an astronomical fuckin' fee.



You don't get it.

When Apple makes their new iphone7 and America is building it not China, China won't be making real McCoy, THEY CAN'T if we don't give it to them in the first place.

Taking it in the ass from them is NOT the only way to do business, you're insane to even suggest that.



I didn't say it wouldn't hurt. Putting the opium down usually does.
But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

All of your ranting is pointless. If the American people want to bring those jobs back, it is already in their hands. They don't need politicians to do it. All they have to do is refuse to buy goods which are wholely or partly produced abroad. If you hit the companies where it hurts they will do what you want or fold.

The only reason you need a politician to do it is to make the American people do what they don't want to do. Hmm a politician deciding what they are allowed to buy. Is that how you do things in the land of the free these days? Sounds more like Stalinist Russia.

BTW All any company has to do in order to start producing Iphone7s is buy one and copy it. Only copyright an patents stop that. In your world they won't exist.
 
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