The Left on Political Correctness

[Aella_]

I just came across this interesting talk & was hoping to see some posters' comments on it. (no Board splitting intended).

The Left on Political Correctness
The Agenda with Steve Paikin
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLDHJ9kihfI

"Political correctness appeals to liberals because it claims to represent a more authentic and strident opposition to their shared enemy of race and gender bias. And of course liberals are correct not only to oppose racism and sexism but to grasp (in a way conservatives generally do not) that these biases cast a nefarious and continuing shadow over nearly every facet of American life.…

Liberals believe (or ought to believe) that social progress can continue while we maintain our traditional ideal of a free political marketplace where we can reason together as individuals. Political correctness challenges that bedrock liberal ideal. While politically less threatening than conservatism (the far right still commands far more power in American life), the p.c. left is actually more philosophically threatening. It is an undemocratic creed."
- Jonathan Chait, New York Magazine, January 27,2015

 

[PoppingTom]

Nazis are a good reason why political correctness is needed.

And btw: ideas can't be undemocratic, except the goal can only be reached in an undemocratic way.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
William F. Buckley

 

[PoppingTom]

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
William F. Buckley

More shocked that people can really be that stupid/inhuman/gullible.....

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Being mistrustful of people that are not "like yourself" is a built-in survival skill.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

From Wiki:

Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. 443 (2011), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that speech on a public sidewalk, about a public issue, cannot be liable for a tort of emotional distress, even if the speech is found to be "outrageous".

The issue was whether the First Amendment protected the public protestors at a funeral against tort liability. It involved a claim of intentional infliction of emotional distress made by Albert Snyder, a gay man[1] and the father of Matthew Snyder, a Marine who died in the Iraq War. The claim was made against the Phelps family, including Fred Phelps, and against Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church (WBC). The Court ruled in favor of Phelps in an 8–1 decision, holding that their speech related to a public issue, and was disseminated on a public sidewalk.

Three points which must be emphasized:

1. The speech which the Court ruled the First Amendment protected was, by any measure or standard, "hateful" in the extreme. I remember thinking in the weeks leading up to the Court's decision that at least one moderate justice like Kennedy would rule with the Court's liberal wing against these vile, genetic defects of the human race. I did not for one moment believe their cruel venom would be upheld. A reasonable line had to be drawn. Enough was enough.

2. The ruling protects not only hate speech, but hate speech expressed for the INTENTIONAL INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. Evidence uncontested at trial of the physical and mental harm suffered by Albert Snyder was substantial. The Court held that such intent does not mitigate the First Amendment's reach or effect.

3. The decision was 8 - 1. Although I was appropriately shamed by the Court's wholly justifiable embrace of the First Amendment, I still could not believe the display of bipartisanship inherent in the alliance of liberals and conservatives alike.

When I was growing up, voices of people of color, homosexuals, and those on the extreme left were effectively suppressed. Their participation in normal commerce and the social fabric was virtually denied. The elimination of those restraints was long overdue.

How sadly ironic it appears that they and their progeny have learned so little from their own shameful and immoral oppression.

 

[snugglestruggle]

Contrary to media reports, Neither the left or right have a monopoly on intolerance.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Contrary to media reports, Neither the left or right have a monopoly on intolerance.

In my experience both are very intolerant but of different things and neither will admit they are.
I'm very much on the right and I'm an intolerant asshole over certain things but I allow that people should be able to do the things I'm intolerant of, I just don't like it because everyone should believe exactly like me, damnit.

 

[renard_ruse]

The only "racism" in the western world today is against whites, and the only sexism is against men and to an extent feminine heterosexual women who don't want to act like men.

Liberalism is a totalitarian ideology that is primarily a vehicle for the ruling establishment to use as a hammer against its subjects in the same way the ruling elites in Communist countries use Marxism-Leninism against its subjects as a means to maintain power.

The "new" liberalism, the one that largely (though of course not entirely) substituted pseudo-oppressed demographic groups (arbitrarily defined and basically pulled out of their loose buttholes) for pseudo-oppressed economic classes, developed in the 60s when most Americans (and western Europeans) had become middle class and the old paradigm of the "dialectic struggle" as defined by class no longer fit the post-war social reality.

The sick idea of these "characteristic defined oppressed demographics" quickly became a substitute and nearly exactly parallels the old Marxist idea of the dialectic struggle between the proletariat and the bourgouisie, this time with the demographic pseudo-oppressed (arbitrairily defined as non-whites, feminist women, queers, etc) substituting for the proletariat and the pseudo-"priviledged" (whites, men, heterosexuals, etc) substituting for the bourgeoisie in classic Marxist theory.

I've written on this extensively on this site and elsewhere on the internet, as it is what truly permeates every aspect of life in the "new America" of the post-60s/70s (the living hell liberalism has created for our society in the past 40 years).

And no, liberals are not "right" to make up a Big Lie that a bunch of people who in no way are "oppressed" are "oppressed" and use that a means to divide society and pit people against each other so they can maintain corrupt power and trample our freedoms and liberties.

 

[bronzeage]

When someone says, "I know this is not politically correct, but..." it means they know what they want to say will make them sound like an asshole, but can't resist saying it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yep. Every so often someone has a genuine point to make that might be considered non-PC and generally it needs to be made because someone isn't getting it for some reason. Generally it's just an excuse to be a dick.

It's been what I saw a lot with Obama. I'm not saying there aren't legit problems with him. I'm not even saying that I have to necessarily agree that your gripe is valid for me to think that you think your gripe is valid. But I can't help but think that when so many people start out criticicisms of Obama with "I'm not racist but" or the constant pointing out that he's half white or more white than black.

 

[badbabysitter]

and in one fell swoop, renard destroys any validity aella could have possibly had in this thread

 

[Aella_]

and in one fell swoop, renard destroys any validity aella could have possibly had in this thread

Haha good one!

 

[badbabysitter]

It's people like renard that make the right look like a bunch of hate mongering morns

I just wish there were more on the right who were like Colonel Hogan.. there would be no need for liberals with conservatives like him around

 

[kbate]

When someone says, "I know this is not politically correct, but..." it means they know what they want to say will make them sound like an asshole, but can't resist saying it.

Not so, it means it will make them sound like what you believe makes them sound like an asshole. Sometimes un-PC is simply a statement for unpalatable truth.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Nazis are a good reason why political correctness is needed.

And btw: ideas can't be undemocratic, except the goal can only be reached in an undemocratic way.

Dolt.

NAZIs were a direct result of the German experiment in Socialism, Social Justice and Societal Engineering. No one ever spoke up. Everyone went with the flow. Everyone was afraid to be singled out. And, eventually, they came for you, and no one spoke out.

Hitler was created not by his evilness, but by the good intentions of those dedicated to abrogating human nature.

Quit acting like it was Hitler alone. His allies were the German people.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

More shocked that people can really be that stupid/inhuman/gullible.....

You'll get yours. You cannot speak out against Islam, but they will soon begin acting out against targets like the gays, and no one will speak up to defend you.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Contrary to media reports, Neither the left or right have a monopoly on intolerance.

But the Left has gained supremacy in the culture wars.

I wonder what happens when transgender meets foot bath in our restrooms...



Look at what just happened at Mizzou and will soon spread to other campuses, white Liberals are going to be purged, because they enjoyed white privilege, by the very people that they taught and indoctrinated.

 

[Aella_]

As far as online -leisure- forums are concerned, I'd generally be against PCnness for many reasons. A couple of them being the fact that we're all more or less anonymous here and that there's not that much at stake. ((As long as rude general remarks don't lead to personal attacks against particular users, of course)).

But as for real life… I'm uncertain. I came across both environments : a bigotted env. where people were outspoken and openly rude, and a bigotted environment where people were too PC). I found both attitudes to be just as bad, even if for different reasons.
Its hard to know sometimes how to achieve a balance between them.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

There is a vast difference between PC and good manners.



Good manners are considered old-fashioned and passe by the PC police...

 

[Aella_]

There is a vast difference between PC and good manners.



Good manners are considered old-fashioned and passe by the PC police...

Good point, actually, and in fact That might be one of the main differences.

 

[Ishmael]

But the Left has gained supremacy in the culture wars.

I wonder what happens when transgender meets foot bath in our restrooms...



Look at what just happened at Mizzou and will soon spread to other campuses, white Liberals are going to be purged, because they enjoyed white privilege, by the very people that they taught and indoctrinated.

That about sums it up. Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

I've been reading what the "Blondes" (Blonde in the stereo-typical context ) have been demanding. Essentially they're demanding to live in a fantasy world with the power of the government being used to enforce their make-believe life. The poor dears are so fragile you know? They want to forcibly silence anyone that dares utter anything that they might find 'hurtful.' And of course, that is a purely subjective, and apparently malleable, threshold. Not to mention the fact that we're already seeing a situation where one group can use a word/phrase but another group isn't. How soon before we start seeing group specific dictionaries of allowable and prohibited words? Who are they going to run to when their sheltered days in academia come to an end? Will this trickle down to the level where a parent telling a 4 year old that they were bad will land the parents before a judge on child abuse charges?

The vocal protesters at Mizzou are behaving like ignorant little pigs. And astoundingly the administration is caving to their piggishness. They have become the bullies they've been bitching about.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

There is a vast difference between PC and good manners.



Good manners are considered old-fashioned and passe by the PC police...

Was it good manners or being PC when you said to sigh, "STFU cunt."?

The vocal protesters at Mizzou are behaving like ignorant little pigs. And astoundingly the administration is caving to their piggishness. They have become the bullies they've been bitching about.

Ishmael

Are you talking about the communications professor that was asking for "muscle" when trying to remove the reporter doing his job?

 

[PoppingTom]

Dolt.

NAZIs were a direct result of the German experiment in Socialism, Social Justice and Societal Engineering. No one ever spoke up. Everyone went with the flow. Everyone was afraid to be singled out. And, eventually, they came for you, and no one spoke out.

Hitler was created not by his evilness, but by the good intentions of those dedicated to abrogating human nature.

Quit acting like it was Hitler alone. His allies were the German people.

I was talking more about today's Nazis.

But I wasn't p.c. enough, I should've said Neonazis.


Especially people like you forget what political correctness really is about: fighting dumbness and plattitudes. Anybody who says "Fuck political correctness" says "I want to say that all Germans are nazis, all Syrians are terrorists, all Pakistanis are our friends and all Canadians are hated not only by the US, but by all people in the world, and I want to call it THE FUCKING TRUTH!!!!!!!"

Anybody in Europe would laugh about your definition of socialism. But thank god you're in America, where you can be as dumb and ignorant as you wanna be, as there will always be somebody even more dumb and ignorant than you, and you can deeply impress him, deep in the vastness of the prairie.

 

[Aella_]

Was it good manners or being PC when you said to sigh, "STFU cunt."?



Are you talking about the communications professor that was asking for "muscle" when trying to remove the reporter doing his job?

Lmaoo…
He's a jackass, yet a funny one.