O'Malley Struggles to be Heard!

[JackLuis]

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O'Malley is in the race too and fighting back!

Martin O’Malley attacks Bernie Sanders over ‘flat-out wrong’ immigration comments from 2007​

Martin O’Malley took off his gloves on Sunday, delivering a bare-knuckled critique of his Democratic presidential primary rivals on the issue of immigration reform. Speaking at a forum organized by the Fair Immigration Reform Movement and The Nation he charged his opponents with a fairweather “poll-tested” approach to immigrant’s rights. O’Malley slammed Hillary Clinton over reports that she asked then-Gov. Elliot Spitzer to spike a bill to give driver’s licenses to undocumented immigrants.

O’Malley, a former Gov. of Maryland, tied Senator Bernie Sanders to former CNN host Lou Dobbs, a name once loathed by Latino activist in a way not unlike Donald Trump is today.

“When comprehensive immigration reform was up for a vote in [2007], Senator Sanders went on Lou [Dobbs’] show — are you familiar with Lou Dobbs? — and said that immigrants take our jobs and depress our wages,” O’Malley said, according to the Washington Post. “Not only are those statements flat-out wrong, they actually harm the consensus.”

Notice the LSM styled the headline as an attack on Bernie, not on the Establishment darling Hillz.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

No... He's not

Politics are about having a following. A group of folks who believe in you and will follow your lead.

Very few Americans have a freaking clue who this guy is. Nor do they care.

Bernie represents the left flank of the party. Only Warren is as admired by this wing of Democrats.

Hillary owns the center.

Game over for everyone else.

 

[JackLuis]

Politics are about having a following. A group of folks who believe in you and will follow your lead.

Very few Americans have a freaking clue who this guy is. Nor do they care.

Bernie represents the left flank of the party. Only Warren is as admired by this wing of Democrats.

Hillary owns the center.

Game over for everyone else.

Lots of time left for someone to make a mistake, It ain't over until it's over.
O'Malley is an establishment man. He could maybe take over the center if Hillz gets caught eating a baby seal.

 

[1sickbastard]

Hear O'Malley here!

 

[KingOrfeo]

At this point, I think he's really campaigning for the running-mate slot.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Juan Castro... If Hillary gets nomination as expected. He's a Clinton supporter and would energize Hispanics nationwide. Especially in the swingy states of new mexico and Arizona. Might even put Texas in play. Bernie would insure left wing turnout... Always an issue.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Juan Castro... If Hillary gets nomination as expected. He's a Clinton supporter and would energize Hispanics nationwide. Especially in the swingy states of new mexico and Arizona. Might even put Texas in play. Bernie would insure left wing turnout... Always an issue.

If I were Hillary I would probably go with Castro just because he's younger. Bernie is Clinton's age -- the spare tire should be younger than the POTUS, ideally, therefore less likely to die in office. OTOH, a Hillary-Sanders ticket would be unbeatable because of, as you say, LW turnout.

 

[1sickbastard]

If I were Hillary I would probably go with Castro just because he's younger. Bernie is Clinton's age -- the spare tire should be younger than the POTUS, ideally, therefore less likely to die in office. OTOH, a Hillary-Sanders ticket would be unbeatable because of, as you say, LW turnout.

HRC-Sanders would energize the LW turnout. It would also energize the Bat-Shit crazy RW turnout, something the DNC doesn't want to happen particularly are there doesn't seem to be any really polarizing social wedge issues on the table.

And given it's a presidential election cycle, there's bound to be a few conservative politicians who will open their mouths, say something incredibly stupid and/or offensive with will energize centrists voters toward HRC while, at the same time, taking some of the wind from the sails of the GOP's nominee.

But that's assuming HRC gets the nomination.
Yeah, yeah, I know she's a shoo-in and all that. But I also remember the same being said about her campaign in '08, before she got beaten by a junior senator from Illinois with no real experience.

 

[KingOrfeo]

HRC-Sanders would energize the LW turnout. It would also energize the Bat-Shit crazy RW turnout, something the DNC doesn't want to happen particularly are there doesn't seem to be any really polarizing social wedge issues on the table.

WTF?! What about abortion, same-sex marriage, campus speech, police brutality against minorities? You think these won't be issues or won't be polarizing?

 

[1sickbastard]

WTF?! What about abortion, same-sex marriage, campus speech, police brutality against minorities? You think these won't be issues or won't be polarizing?

Same-sex marriage was settled by the SCOTUS. Unlike abortion, there is no presumed 'innocent' (i.e. a fetus) whose 'rights' need legislating. Or do you honestly believe that conservative politicians are going to campaign for more GBLT rights?
Abortion is a 50 year old debate. It still has value as a wedge issue, but as a polarizing issue sufficient to mobilize more voter turnout, not so much.
Police brutality. Very much a relevant issue, but again, campaigning for more police brutality or campaigning against citizens ability to redress incidents of alleged police brutality is not going to mobilize more conservative voters than it will mobilize voters away from the GOP.

Sure, the GOP can push these issues, and probably will, but I'm pretty sure the effect will be to push the independent voters away from conservative candidates.

The only two issues they have much hope for is illegal immigration (Mexico is sending us their criminals, rapists and druggies), which doesn't seem to play well to the general electorate, and "Religious Freedom", which recent polls seem to indicate isn't playing very well to the general electorate either. In fact, the whole notion of religious freedom trumping other Constitutional liberties decidedly does NOT play well to older, non-religious conservative and could very well cause that demographic to stay home.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Sanders in the Primary

I will vote Bernie in the primary, but the Democratic party is centre-left, and let's be honest, the left candidate rarely gets the nomination.

So. Hillary.

I can live with that. And even though I prefer Sanders, I see Castro as the smart choice. He's younger, and represents the next generation and reflects the browning of America.

Oh... After she locks up the nomination, we will hear a dozen names floated, but Castro brings more ammo to the war. He helps in a demographic that is growing in numbers and political might.

 

[JackLuis]

I will vote Bernie in the primary, but the Democratic party is centre-left, and let's be honest, the left candidate rarely gets the nomination.

So. Hillary.

I can live with that. And even though I prefer Sanders, I see Castro as the smart choice. He's younger, and represents the next generation and reflects the browning of America.

Oh... After she locks up the nomination, we will hear a dozen names floated, but Castro brings more ammo to the war. He helps in a demographic that is growing in numbers and political might.

So there goes our Hope for Change as the establishment has selected another Dynamic Duo to distract us from the pillaging of our culture.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Ultimately

The voters will vote. Everyone will get their chance to be heard. But the candidates from the right and leftmost flanks rarely win.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Castro

Besides... Won't it be deliciouly ironic to see the looks on the faces of the old conservative guard when they realize that there are two Cubans running on the right, and a guy named Castro on the left?

Heh! Bircher heads exploding everywhere.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The voters will vote. Everyone will get their chance to be heard. But the candidates from the right and leftmost flanks rarely win.

Can you tell me any time, besides Obama, when they have won? They tend to lose to Centrist or Center-right candidates.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Obama was never particularly left. He was young, but more of a centre-left guy.

Howard Dean was Left. McGovern was left. Carter/Clinton/Mondale... All centre-left types. Hell, even Dukakis was a CL technocrat type.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Pure left candidates tend to be more like Jesus in the Temple... Upsetting tables and throwing out the moneylenders.

Sanders, Feingold, maybe Franken.

 

[JackLuis]

Pure left candidates tend to be more like Jesus in the Temple... Upsetting tables and throwing out the moneylenders.

Sanders, Feingold, maybe Franken.

But, But Hillary went to Wall Street and shook her finger at them and told them to "Cut it out!" Instead of passing legislation like a Senator should have.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Yes

Hence... centre-left

 

[JackLuis]

Hence... centre-left

Or, Establishment Shill?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Pure left candidates tend to be more like Jesus in the Temple... Upsetting tables and throwing out the moneylenders.

Sanders, Feingold, maybe Franken.

Don't forget Warren and Kucinich. And I'd count Nader, but he's never won any offices.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Hence... centre-left

No, hence center-right.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Obama was never particularly left. He was young, but more of a centre-left guy.

Howard Dean was Left. McGovern was left. Carter/Clinton/Mondale... All centre-left types. Hell, even Dukakis was a CL technocrat type.

You might add Goldwater as a rightist.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Yup. And he was crushed.

Maybe not as badly as McGovern... But still...

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

No, hence center-right.

Umm....

That's quite an opinion.

Of course for it to be true, you'd have to redefine the large number of Democrats who like her. Even love her. Shes been the most admired woman in America how many times?

And after you redefine all of the centre-left Democrats into Centre-right Democrats.... I guess Bernie is now a moderate and Jim Webb must have been a neo-nazi of some kind.

Heh! Lord, the Republicans must be Satan's Spawn.