Duh? It just occurred to me. Pornography versus Erotica. That's the question.

[SusanJillParker]

Duh, it just occurred to me.

There are more than 70,000 writers who have written stories on Literotica. That's a lot of writers and a lot of stories.

When I wrote as BostonFictionWriter, I was the 15th most favored writer. Now that I write as my real self, SusanJillParker, and under my real name, I'm the 21st most favored writer. Not bad when I've only been writing under my own name since 2012. Not bad when I'm one of the minority of women writing anything on this site.

This is what just occurred to me. I'm not just the 21st most favored writer but I'm the #1 most favored erotic writer on the site. It's true. Moreover, I'm the #1 most favored female writer on the site. It's true. I am. How about that?

When I look at the list, those ahead of me who may be deemed more erotic writers than pornographic writers, no longer post stories on Literotica.

When I look at the list of those writers ahead of me, they write more pornography than they do erotica. I only write erotica. I don't write pornography.

Imagine that, a writer of erotica on Literotica and not Literpornography who has been voted up to the 21st place. How about that?

I'm not only the #1 writer of erotica on Literotica but also I am the #1 female writer.

"Yeah me!"

And out of more than a million stories on the site, my story, I Love You, Mommy, that I wrote under my WmForrester name was not only the most read story in 2010 but also is still holding strong on the all-time most read list in 60th position with more than 2 million hits. Not bad for a female writer of erotica.

I would have had two more stories in the top ten most read list but I pulled them to publish them. When I pulled them in 2007, they had 850,000 and 650,000 hits respectively. I can't imagine how many millions of hits they'd have 8 years later.

It makes me feel better than not everyone who reads stories here wants to read pornography. Some readers what to read erotica. Some readers want to read a real story that has a plot with tension, developed characters, description, imagery, and dialogue.

"Go Patriots! Go Brady!"

On their way to 16 and 0, can you say undefeated? Can you say Super Bowl?

The Patriots are on their way to their 5th Super Bowl win. It should have been #7 Super Bowls won but the other two teams that beat them were lucky.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Maybe some day some one will define erotica.

 

[MichaelinChina]

That thought crossed my mind just a couple of days ago.

Seriously.

 

[Lori_the_Hoosier]

I like Isabell Allende's definition: 'Erotica is using a feather; pornography is using the whole chicken'

 

[FortySixtyFour]

Congratulations!

Pornography is the fast-food quick-and-easy answer for satisfying that craving. Immensely satisfying, makes you feel a little guilty, and you probably shouldn't do it all the time.

Erotica can be that dinner with a special someone you've been planning, when you pick out that special cut of meat (you can take or leave the euphemisms here) and spend hours slow-cooking a savory meal you and your special someone'll never forget.

Both have an important place, and neither should be your exclusive diet, in my opinion.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Congratulations!

Pornography is the fast-food quick-and-easy answer for satisfying that craving. Immensely satisfying, makes you feel a little guilty, and you probably shouldn't do it all the time.

Erotica can be that dinner with a special someone you've been planning, when you pick out that special cut of meat (you can take or leave the euphemisms here) and spend hours slow-cooking a savory meal you and your special someone'll never forget.

Both have an important place, and neither should be your exclusive diet, in my opinion.

Your examples are good but I believe they could be easily interchangeable.

Erotica can be a quick fix just as much as pornography can be a long exciting tease.
Hope you see my point.

 

[FortySixtyFour]

Your examples are good but I believe they could be easily interchangeable.

Erotica can be a quick fix just as much as pornography can be a long exciting tease.
Hope you see my point.

Really? I need to start expanding my horizons, that sounds awesome.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Really? I need to start expanding my horizons, that sounds awesome.

good luck and have fun.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Maybe some day some one will define erotica.

I already have.

Erotica has all of the ingredients listed below.

Erotica is a story that has a real plot. Erotica has dialogue. Erotica has developed characters. Erotica has description. Erotica has imagery. Erotica has tension. Erotica is a real story with hints of sex that are not only graphic, explicit sex.

Pornography has sex. Instead of wasting time with a plot, pornography has sex. Instead of wasting their time with dialogue, pornography has sex. Instead of developing their characters, pornography has sex. Instead of describing their characters and even naming their characters, pornography has sex. Instead of adding imagery and tension, pornography has sex.

Did I mention that pornography has sex, graphic, and explicit sex, sex, and more sex.

Yeah, that's the difference between erotica and pornography. Where an erotica story can be written without sex, a pornographic story cannot be written without sex.

Most of the readers who read here don't want to read erotica. They want to read pornography. Most of the readers who read here want to masturbate while reading a pornographic story. Yet, how can a reader become part of the story and see the characters if the characters are flat and undeveloped? One would think that a reader who came here to masturbate would prefer reading an erotic story over a pornographic story.

Below is an example of an erotic scene.

"Mom?"

Johnny looked at his mother as if she was naked instead of fully dressed.

"Yes, Johnny," said Mary tossing back her brown hair while staring at her son with her hazel eyes.

Mary smiled lovingly at her 22-year-old son who had just graduated college and was back living at home.

"I need a favor," said Johnny fidgeting with his fingers while staring at his mother with his brown eyes.

"Favor? What do you need? What do you want? Mommy will give you anything," said Mary.

Suddenly, with his face turning red, Johnny had a face full of embarrassment.

"I, um, I need, um--"

"What? You need what, Johnny. Tell Mommy what you need."

"I, um, need to see you naked," he said blurting it out. I need to watch you strip down to your underwear. I need to watch you remove your bra before removing your panties. I really need to see you naked, Mother."

"Oh, my Johnny. Naked? You want me to give you a striptease?"

"Yes," said Johnny.

Undressing him with her eyes, Mary stared at her son in the way that he was staring at her.

"If I agree to remove my clothes, you must promise not to tell anyone, especially your father," said Mary.

Mary looked at her son with a sudden rush of sexual excitement.

"I promise Mother," said Johnny.

Johnny's erection that tented his trousers already showed his feelings for his mother.

"And you must agree to remove your clothes too. This way, if you tell anyone that you saw me naked, I'll tell your friends that you exposed yourself to me," said Mary as if she was a lawyer making a plea deal.

Mary's fingers were poised on the buttons of her blouse while waiting for her son to respond.

"I agree," said Johnny.

Below is an example of a pornographic scene.

While feeling her big tits and fingering her erect nipples, he fucked her hard from behind as if she was a dirty dog. He fucked her fast. He didn't care if she had an orgasm or not, he was only concerned with getting off.

He rolled her over and mounted her. Slamming his 10" dick inside of her, he was determined to cum inside of her. Only with her about to have an orgasm, he stopped and climbed off of her.

He'd rather have her blow him than to cum in her pussy. Yeah, he'd much rather cum in her mouth than to cum in her pussy. He'd much rather watch her swallow his cum. The last thing he wanted was to get the bitch pregnant. The last thing he wanted was a deformed baby who looked like him.

"Get on you knees," he said pulling her by her hair to move her in front of him. Now, suck it! Suck my cock Ma!"

 

[NOIRTRASH]

There's a 3rd way. I call it PUNCTUATION. its neither sexual nor erotic. If today were 1965 I'd call it a neurotic defense mechanism. That is, if she she's nervous when a guy looks at her (because she's obsessed about her ears) she flashes her crotch.

 

[SusanJillParker]

There's a 3rd way. I call it PUNCTUATION. its neither sexual nor erotic. If today were 1965 I'd call it a neurotic defense mechanism. That is, if she she's nervous when a guy looks at her (because she's obsessed about her ears) she flashes her crotch.

Huh? I don't get it...unless...

"So, wait, lemme get this straight," said Tiffany. "You flashed Alfred E. Newman your pussy."

"I did," said Crystal.

"Why?"

Tiffany looked at her friend as if she was drunk, crazy, or both.

"His ears made me nervous. I was nervous about his ears. So, I lifted my dressed over my head to not see his ears."

"Okay, then how did you flash him your pussy and not your panties?"

"I, um, forgot that I wasn't wearing underwear. That was when Alfred, I call him Alfie now. That's when Alfie rubbed his ears all over my pussy. He gave me the first ear job I ever had. We're going out again tonight and he promised he'd wear fur earmuffs. I'm so excited," said Crystal.

Tiffany looked at her friend stunned.

"Does he have a brother?"

 

[FortySixtyFour]

..Alright, you guys lost me here.

 

[SusanJillParker]

..Alright, you guys lost me here.

Apparently, you've never given a woman an ear job.

Do you know how when listening to a conch, you can hear the ocean? It's the same principle.

If you put your ear to a woman's pussy, you can hear the Wizard of Oz song.

Conversely, if you put your ear to a woman's ass, you can hear George W Bush giving an old speech.

Trust me, you want to put your ear to a woman's pussy instead of to her ass.

 

[FortySixtyFour]

Huh, I've never heard "Ding dong, the witch is dead," come out of there. All I ever seem to get out of them is squelchy sort of noises, so I must be doing something wrong. I'll have to keep working on fine-tuning the reception, I guess.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Huh? I don't get it...unless...

"So, wait, lemme get this straight," said Tiffany. "You flashed Alfred E. Newman your pussy."

"I did," said Crystal.

"Why?"

Tiffany looked at her friend as if she was drunk, crazy, or both.

"His ears made me nervous. I was nervous about his ears. So, I lifted my dressed over my head to not see his ears."

"Okay, then how did you flash him your pussy and not your panties?"

"I, um, forgot that I wasn't wearing underwear. That was when Alfred, I call him Alfie now. That's when Alfie rubbed his ears all over my pussy. He gave me the first ear job I ever had. We're going out again tonight and he promised he'd wear fur earmuffs. I'm so excited," said Crystal.

Tiffany looked at her friend stunned.

"Does he have a brother?"

What I suggest comes up in noire when a female is interrogated.

Me: So where were you at 4am yesterday?
Her: Wanna watch me masturbate?

 

[SusanJillParker]

Huh, I've never heard "Ding dong, the witch is dead," come out of there. All I ever seem to get out of them is squelchy sort of noises, so I must be doing something wrong. I'll have to keep working on fine-tuning the reception, I guess.

Duh? If you don't hear Somewhere Over the Rainbow, you're either doing it wrong, not listening intently enough, or your ears are way to small.

Try it again. This time press your ear harder and closer to her pussy. If you're too far away, all you're going to hear are feminine hygiene commercials.

 

[SusanJillParker]

What I suggest comes up in noire when a female is interrogated.

Me: So where were you at 4am yesterday?
Her: Wanna watch me masturbate?

4 am? Unless she's a nurse just getting home from her shift, what respectable woman masturbates at 4 am?

Precisely at 10 pm, Vinnie vibrator and Butch, my big, black dildo have our fun.

"Where were you last night?"

"Last night? I, um, was listening to Judy Garland singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow."

"So, your story is that you were home alone masturbating. Is that right?"

"Being in Kansas sounds better than masturbating, don't you think?"

 

[lovecraft68]

But how are you deciding between porn/erotica? I ask because many people would have many opinions of which is which.

Having said that I have no doubt looking at the top two authors here that flat out stroke rules.

But I also know the number one author has some sweet erotic lesbian stories in their file among the outlandish porn titles, but I'm sure most could agree which stories have her that high, and high is an understatement, the number two author couldn't find her with a GPS.

I can't speak for what every author above you on that list has for material. I know I have a few romantic stories and I write a lot more substance than stroke even in my incest stories, but I know its the recurring word 'mom' in my file that has me where I am on that list.


But as far as you being the number one erotica writing female on the site.

Two words for you....Jaz Cullen. She's #10 on the list and writes in non human, but there is erotica in her stories and they are erotic, not porn. As for the internet and the 'she could be a guy' maybe she is, but if we're taking everything at face value, than she is higher.

Goldiangel is #3 and has a mix of erotic/porn so she's higher than JZ, but does mix in porn, at least by my definition, but she is not a full stroke writer.

 

[lovecraft68]

I like Isabell Allende's definition: 'Erotica is using a feather; pornography is using the whole chicken'

Good example.

I use sex itself as an example.

Porn is that night you're not in the mood for long and soft and sweet, Porn is the night the woman just wants to bend over the bed have her skirt pulled up and fucked silly, the night you just need it and need it now and need it bad is porn.

Erotica is for those nights where you're relaxed and have plenty of time and you use that time for foreplay, kissing, slow undressing, fondling, caressing, oral sex, multiple positions, but the entire time taking your time enjoying....etc.

Porn is fucking

Erotica is a slow steamy build up and then the fucking

 

[lovecraft68]

As to your examples? First I'll point out I think using incest as an example on the board is in poor taste, many people are disturbed by it. I love incest stories, but get many don't and try to have some respect for that, so should you.

Second here is where opinions vary. I don't think your first example was erotic to me for that category. Its too fast, too quick.

The gist: Son-"Mom, I want to see you naked"

The gist: Mom-"Thought you'd never asked, let me get naked"

Yeah, that's conflict and build up and respecting the breaking of the ultimate taboo.

My opinion of course.

 

[lovecraft68]

Below is an example of what 95% of the men here think is real erotica

While feeling her big tits and fingering her erect nipples, he fucked her hard from behind as if she was a dirty dog. He fucked her fast. He didn't care if she had an orgasm or not, he was only concerned with getting off.

Fixed your post as a real example and reason that stuff can get you huge celebrity here.

 

[SusanJillParker]

[Personal attacks and trolling prohibited per our Forum Rules]

 

[lovecraft68]

Selena Kitt is as big of a stroke writer as you'll find. There is nothing erotic about her biggest stories her and in the selling market her babysitter series that has made a lot of money is pure porno.

Daniel Kitten was more erotic and to make your point we all know the abuse she was allowed to endure here(funny personal attacks weren't an issue when there were real personal lies and attacks going on rather than just snarky exchanges now)

As for me bashing you? You should note I was the one telling off TX and Pilot for constantly feeling the need to come running to every one of your threads to tell the class you're a man because they think its their duty, I think that's crap.

My opinion is I think you're male, but will leave it at that. Maybe you are female or maybe you are a guy playing Susan, but either way if I think your topic is interesting I'll respond. If I don't agree I will express it, if I agree I will express it and whether I do or don't has nothing to do with your real gender, that's ultimately your business.

As for me being a top porno/erotica writer here? IT is what it is. I don't know why I'm that high, I don't plan my stories based on 'bet this will get X hits" like you, I just write. Sometimes its romantic and erotic, sometimes its "MY mother's a horny drunk or Mom loves to suck" with pure porn content.

What we have in common is using the single best slogan ever in advertising.

Just do it.

 

[TxRad]

Someone brags and protest way too much all at the same time. Is that porn or erotica? Neither probably.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Someone brags and protest way too much all at the same time. Is that porn or erotica? Neither probably.

Bragging? I have reason to brag.

As the most prolific author on the site, I'm even more prolific than the great Samuelx. He may have written a few hundred more stories than me but I write way more words than he does. Moreover, I receive many more hits and votes that he does.

As the number 1 erotic writer on the site, I have reason to brag.

As the only writer who has won Literotica's prestigious, year long, Survivor contest, the writer with the most stories in the most categories, three times, won 2nd place 3 times, and finished in 3rd once, I have much to brag.

As the writer who has won more Literotica contest money than any writer in the history of Literotica, I have much to brag.

I'd rather brag about my accomplishments than to bash a fellow writer in the way that you have done and continue to do. If it wasn't for you, we'd still be honored by the presence of the greatest writer and creative personality who ever blessed this site.

Of course, I'm referring to the one, the only, Professor, and scholar, Dr. Scouries the most revered and honorable.

If I count the 250 stories that I deleted from my BostonFictionWriter account, I've written more than 1,600 stories and poems of roughly just under 10 million words. Not bad for a tall, blonde, busty, beautiful, blue-eyed, blonde from Boston.

Yeah, try saying that fast three times (lol).