DEA chief insists marijuana is dangerous and isn’t medicine

[JackLuis]

DEA chief insists marijuana is dangerous and isn’t medicine

The federal drug law enforcement official’s anti-marijuana remarks on Wednesday are not his first. In a July conference call, Rosenberg said, “If you want me to say that marijuana is not dangerous, I’m not going to say that because I think it is,” according to U.S News & World Report. “Do I think it’s as dangerous as heroin? Probably not. I’m not an expert.”

So maybe we don't need a dildo in this position. Let's find an expert for the job, or at least an open mind?

 

[BotanyBoy]

DEA chief insists marijuana is dangerous and isn’t medicine



So maybe we don't need a dildo in this position. Let's find an expert for the job, or at least an open mind?

The job is to sit there and tell everyone cannabis is just as bad as meth so they can get their funding.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

those in government are mentally retarded

 

[Hard_Rom]

And guns are safe and necessary?

There are a whole lot of folk who need to smoke a doobie and drop a hit of acid. Do them a world of good.

Open your mind!

 

[JackLuis]

And guns are safe and necessary?

There are a whole lot of folk who need to smoke a doobie and drop a hit of acid. Do them a world of good.

Open your mind!

WTF! Where did that come form. The subject is Pot.

Guns are a safe as the person that holds them, but still not the subject.

The Subject is the DEA's inability to comprehend that they don't know what they are talking about and should STFU until they objectively look at the evidence.

If guns are a real bug up your ass, then keep them in your own demented threads.

 

[Hard_Rom]

It was an attempt at comparison.

Marijuana is dangerous and not necessary. Guns are safe and needed. Fucked up priorities at the highest levels of US government was the intended point.

 

[mark_j]

It was an attempt at comparison.

Marijuana is dangerous and not necessary. Guns are safe and needed. Fucked up priorities at the highest levels of US government was the intended point.

You live in Canada, what possible difference does it make to you?

 

[Boxlicker101]

It was an attempt at comparison.

Marijuana is dangerous and not necessary. Guns are safe and needed. Fucked up priorities at the highest levels of US government was the intended point.

MJ is not dangerous. Certainly not as much so as tobacco and booze. Even so, you're better off not using either.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well all the studies suggest drinkers outlive sober people. Granted the consensus seems to be that life sucks so bad that taking off some stress is better than not poisoning yourself but you're certainly not better off.

 

[Hard_Rom]

You live in Canada, what possible difference does it make to you?

Negative impressions from American media on young people. It's like living next door to some gun toting conservative loud mouth. His life is none of your business except for all the yelling, shooting and general bad manners.

 

[Hard_Rom]

MJ is not dangerous. Certainly not as much so as tobacco and booze. Even so, you're better off not using either.

Generally I agree. Being a stoner I should. But MJ does have it's bad points. Just like booze and smokes. In some ways it combines the worst of the others. Smoke in lungs and is a depressant. Anyone who might be medically depressed should avoid pot just like booze. It can fuck you up for driving. You can't learn while high (at least I can't) so has zero place during school or work hours.

A chronic might go through 200$ a month on pot. Maybe more maybe less. Based on 50$ a quarter. Buy in bulk by the oz and get it for 150$. Can be a drain on the old wallet.

My remark was meant to be sarcastic I'm not saying MJ is dangerous.

 

[JackLuis]

Generally I agree. -

My remark was meant to be sarcastic I'm not saying MJ is dangerous.

But the Head of the DEA said....!

This a case of bureaucratic self preservation. If the DEA has to allow MJ, how much money would be saved by shifting that money to prevention and rehabilitation? How many DEA slots can be cut? Couple of $Billion easy.

If MJ were legal, and regulated like liquor, how many people would give up coke, or gin? How many people would put their money in the legal market instead of a Cartel's pockets? How much revenue would be redirected from Mexico and if we let Afghani weed/hash to be imported legally how much of the heroin traffic would be derailed?

The DEA should be looking at mitigation the effects of Drugs in our society rather than the impossible task of eliminating their existence in our society.

Besides if people could grow outdoors, how much electricity would be saved?

 

[Tigersman]

The DEA is nothing more than witch hunters better left to horror movies than real life endeavors.

 

[Wrong Element]

I remember a book a while back, maybe in the '90s, that advocated marijuana legalization. One point he made at the time was before much longer, it was going to be impossible to sell "reefer madness" arguments to the American people. The generation that was old enough to be scandalized by pot would be dying out, to be replaced by old folks who had actually smoked it once upon a time themselves and realize it's no big deal, or at the very least know a lot of peers who once used or currently use it to no particular ill effects.

This is clearly happening now. Most voting age Americans grew up in a world where marijuana was part of the landscape. Those who were 18 at Woodstock will be turning 65 this coming year. And it definitely means something when references to pot become commonplace in the popular art form most friendly to conservatives, country music.

We've already gotten to the point where no one is all that invested in prosecuting marijuana use anymore. The police clearly have other things they would rather be doing. It's like the 55 MPH speed limit -- still technically illegal, but not especially enforced. The next step is eliminating the inertia that's prevented these increasingly meaningless laws from actually being repealed.

 

[Sean Renaud]

But the Head of the DEA said....!

This a case of bureaucratic self preservation. If the DEA has to allow MJ, how much money would be saved by shifting that money to prevention and rehabilitation? How many DEA slots can be cut? Couple of $Billion easy.

If MJ were legal, and regulated like liquor, how many people would give up coke, or gin? How many people would put their money in the legal market instead of a Cartel's pockets? How much revenue would be redirected from Mexico and if we let Afghani weed/hash to be imported legally how much of the heroin traffic would be derailed?

The DEA should be looking at mitigation the effects of Drugs in our society rather than the impossible task of eliminating their existence in our society.

Besides if people could grow outdoors, how much electricity would be saved?

See and here's a question of what is our actual goal here? Is it to save money? Because if it's to save money then yeah the DEA is kinda screwed here. If not despite their head being apparently a moron they are still (outside of medical professionals) the closest thing we have to drug specialists and law enforcement specialists. I see no reason not to simply shift their jobs to a combination of license enforcement and rehab specialists. Keep your jobs, keep your money. We're not here to screw you, we're here to help everybody else because I do agree they are basically screaming we don't want to be unemployed but that cannot be a reason why we don't advance.

 

[dan_c00000]

DEA chief insists marijuana is dangerous and isn’t medicine



So maybe we don't need a dildo in this position. Let's find an expert for the job, or at least an open mind?

Isn't the "I'm not an expert" line great?

 

[Hard_Rom]

Self serving bureaucrats. Russians call them Apparatchikix

That's a potential 11,000 more unemployed people. Of course Obama would be blamed by racist fascist.

DEA Employees Fail Drug Tests, Shockingly Face No Serious Consequences
New documents reveal lax discipline at the agency.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dea-drug-tests_560abff4e4b0af3706de0211

A number of federal employees with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration have failed drug tests over the past five years, only to receive short suspensions or other minor reprimands, newly released documents reveal.

According to a Huffington Post review of internal DEA discipline logs, first uncovered by USA Today over the weekend, there have been at least 16 reported instances of employees failing random drug tests since 2010. While a number of these incidents were handled administratively, with a few people choosing to resign or retire amid the proceedings, none of the cases ended in an employee's outright firing. The agency punished most employees with short suspensions, sometimes as little as one or two days.

The DEA's drug policy states that applicants who "experimented with or used narcotics or dangerous drugs, except those medically prescribed for you, will not be considered for employment," though it makes exceptions for "limited youthful and experimental use of marijuana." The agency conducts random drug testing throughout an employee's career.

The discovery comes amid broader findings of routine misconduct and paltry disciplinary action at the DEA.

USA Today reporters Brad Heath and Meghan Hoyer found that, from 2010 through 2015, DEA employees have avoided getting fired despite serious violations of agency policy, including distribution of drugs, falsifying official records and having an “improper association with a criminal element.” And in the few cases in which administrators did recommend termination, the DEA's Board of Professional Conduct often reduced sanctions to suspensions or lower forms of discipline and even required the agency to rehire problem employees.

Carl Pike, a former DEA internal affairs investigator who went on to lead the agency's Special Operations Division for the Americas before retiring in December, explained to USA Today that it was incredibly rare for someone to get fired for misconduct.

“If we conducted an investigation, and an employee actually got terminated, I was surprised,” he said. “I was truly, truly surprised. Like, wow, the system actually got this guy.”

Indeed, a closer look at the internal log turns up numerous examples of disturbing behavior being punished with suspensions of a few days, at most. From 2010 through 2015, HuffPost found 62 instances of an employee losing or stealing a firearm; more than 30 violations for driving while intoxicated, including four while driving a government-owned vehicle and one that involved a hit-and-run; two occasions in which employees deprived individuals of their civil rights; nine instances of employees losing or stealing drug evidence; 10 cases in which agents lost or stole a defendant's property; four violations for committing fraud against the government, two of which were punished by a letter of caution; and two more general violations of DEA policy on drug use. The DEA didn't fire anyone as a direct result of these actions.

The DEA has faced intense scrutiny for its handling of discipline in the wake of a string of high-profile scandals at the agency. The criticism came to a head earlier this year with the revelation that agents stationed abroad attended cartel-funded sex parties involving prostitutes.

According to a report from the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General at the time, the seven DEA agents who admitted to attending the events were punished with suspensions, ranging from two to 10 days. Former DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart, who resigned shortly after the scandal, also admitted that some of the agents were in fact promoted sometime between the sex parties and the end of the investigation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's a potential 11,000 more unemployed people. Of course Obama would be blamed by racist fascist.

Well they would actually be right and there is nothing racist/fascist about teh facts.

He can (and I think should have) single handedly ended the war on cannabis....at any time with the stroke of a pen. But he hasn't and I think them jobs are largely why.

Same reason he hasn't quit fucking about the middle east.....

Without those 2 wars? Unemployment would be considerably higher and he would be catching so much more hate than if he keeps cannabis illigal and still finger fucks ISIS pointlessly around in the M.E. You just can't unplug that much money from the economy without it being a total fucking disaster. It has to be a weening.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I'm sure a Colorado bureaucrat can be brought in to manage the transition.

Did the end of prohibition cause undo economic hardship and loss of jobs? Or did it at least put a crimp in organized crime and create jobs in the hotel/hospitality industry?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Isn't the "I'm not an expert" line great?

but we know that you are an expert in collecting welfare

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm sure a Colorado bureaucrat can be brought in to manage the transition.

Yea because we want the pot industry monopolized from day 1

The transition on our side the peoples side is and should be super fucking simple. A USDA/EPA inspection for consumable crops, and ATF management over coffee shops/hash bars just like alcohol bars is all that is needed to legalize pot.

There is no fucking need for any special bureaucrats more alphabet agencies or money/power grabbing bullshit regs. There is simply no need for extra bullshit.

The transition will be for all the people at the DEA who need to find a new job.

MAYBE at the ATF??! But that's going to take time and be a paperwork/processing nightmare for the gov.

Did the end of prohibition cause undo economic hardship and loss of jobs? Or did it at least put a crimp in organized crime and create jobs in the hotel/hospitality industry?

Yes it did in the law enforcement industry...they immediately waged a PR war against cannabis and had it banned 4 years later. The thousands of cops didn't care about hotels and hospitality....they needed a bad guy to catch so they could feed their fuck trophies.

So after we legalize weed even though other bidnizz is good what are all these drug war cops going to do? We have to have a plan for that before we can move forward federally. Their power/pull in DC is simply too fucking great to just kick them to the curb.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Maybe they could declare war on guns or racist. You know something useful.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Maybe they could declare war on guns or racist. You know something useful.

The cops can't just shit can the 1st and 2nd amendment.... I know it disgusts you but we have right to free speech and armament in this country.

How about solving violent crimes and confiscating illegal guns?

 

[Hard_Rom]

And the Saudis can behead women for adultery. Doesn't make it right.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The cops can't just shit can the 1st and 2nd amendment.... I know it disgusts you but we have right to free speech and armament in this country.

How about solving violent crimes and confiscating illegal guns?

No gun is illegal senior. They are undocumented.

Seriously though that would be an uphill battle in both goddamn directions and not worth it.

If the goal is simply to keep police employed how about we start getting police back involved in the local communities? There are definitely areas that need it and other areas where it simply wouldn't hurt. I for one don't think it would hurt anything if the kids walking home from school knew that Officer Jenkins was probably on patrol and could help them get their ball from old man Leroy or what not. Or hell educating kids. I'm all for fire arm training in schools. Assign a couple cops to every school to teach the basics to the younguns and hands on (I guess with parental consent) for the elders. Send em to the Boys n Girls clubs and whatever else. I have no problem at all with finding shit for them to do at least in the short term and telling the public to suck it the fuck up.