Would thick women think I'm weird for having these type of sexual fantasies with...

[LatinDominator]

them and wish to particpate them in real life?

Just a curious question. Is it ever wrong for a man to fantasize about sexually dominating a thick/voluputous woman(thick and well proportioned thighs and calves) by playfullying putting her in pro wrestling submission(such a the boston crab, headscissors and bodyscissors) and BJJ submission holds(such as the triangle choke hold) and even act upon these f3t!shes as long as the woman participating, consents and the moves are gentle?

Idk why but I get pretty freaking aroused doing it. I'm open to any race of women as long as she has a big butt and thick and well proportioned thighs but if the thick woman is white, that's a big bonus for me(Although Thick Latina girls would be right behind thick white women). Kinda like these type of white women for example.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/gag.draft.images/2217082/q-b16c73ef-f28c-4c9a-a07e-aa541bbdb454.jpg

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Here are examples of submission holds that I'd love to do to a thick woman -
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/gag.draft.images/2217082/q-12ebbc1d-df39-4433-8486-14f89d129a52.jpg

http://img04.deviantart.net/6ac7/i/2011/160/b/f/sleeper_and_bodyscissors_combo_by_rorydnumber2-d3iictd.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2- 7AdSkZA7I/S92vs0BbXKI/AAAAAAAAaXk/3bfOMZCEPIc/s1600/Candy+Okutsu+-+Ayako+Hamada+-+japan+women+-+boston+crab.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6D-tsWfTo

In case you're wondering why I get very sexually aroused by doing this type of foreplay to a thick woman(fantasizing about it so much), people have this misconception that thicker women are more sexually and financially dominant(while thinner and/or petite girls are misconcepted as all sexually submissive) because of their size and appearance and my foreplay involves showing them that even thick girls can have a crucial weakness like some petite women and even some men(well lets be real, all men and women regardless of body shape have at least one crucial weakness in the sexual fantasies and submissive foreplay world). Not to mention, it's a very good excuse for me to get a hold of their sexy thick thighs once I put them in a Boston crab submission hold. Now I'd never go full strength on my submission moves to the woman consenting nor will it ever be my intention to physically harm her but I would go gentle on my submission holds to make playful and for the sake of the consented woman's safety.

Is this wrong of me as a man to get sexually aroused of these fantasies and wish to do them some day? Will this type of fantasy be too weird and freaky for women, even among women who are into BDSM(submissive ones)?

 

[MeekMe]

It's not wrong and it's not really even that "freaky." Some people are into this sort of thing, some people aren't.

 

[LatinDominator]

It's not wrong and it's not really even that "freaky." Some people are into this sort of thing, some people aren't.

Well, I ask this since a lot of women I know aren't attracted to these type of forplays/fetishes and would dislike being in them. The funny thing about these mixed wrestling videos I find floating around the internet is that it's always the women that dominates in them. For my foreplay, it's the other way around(me as a man dominating the thick woman with erotic submission holds) that sexually arouses me very greatly.

 

[SpunThings]

Well, I ask this since a lot of women have know aren't attracted to this and would dislike it. The funny thing about these mixed wrestling videos I find floating around the internet is that it's always the women that dominates in them. For my foreplay, it's the other way around(me as a man dominating the thick woman with erotic submission holds) that sexually arouses me very greatly.

It's pretty tame compared to what I enjoy, and what I enjoy is quite tame compared to some things I've read other people doing. Sure some people might find it weird, but who cares? I'm sure there are people out there who'd enjoy that. Now, if it were me I'd be disappointed about all this talk about gentleness and stuff

Now, assuming I had the body type you fantasize about, I have to say if you told me you wanted to do this because you wanted to prove that I have weaknesses just like petite women....I'd be pretty disgusted and would not be interested. I'm sure there are petite women out there who are skilled fighters who could out-wrestle you. I've enjoyed wrestle play and losing a fight, but I like my forced submission to come with love and respect for me as a person. Any hint of trying to prove superiority would have me out the door in no time flat.

 

[LatinDominator]

It's pretty tame compared to what I enjoy, and what I enjoy is quite tame compared to some things I've read other people doing. Sure some people might find it weird, but who cares? I'm sure there are people out there who'd enjoy that. Now, if it were me I'd be disappointed about all this talk about gentleness and stuff

Now, assuming I had the body type you fantasize about, I have to say if you told me you wanted to do this because you wanted to prove that I have weaknesses just like petite women....I'd be pretty disgusted and would not be interested. I'm sure there are petite women out there who are skilled fighters who could out-wrestle you. I've enjoyed wrestle play and losing a fight, but I like my forced submission to come with love and respect for me as a person. Any hint of trying to prove superiority would have me out the door in no time flat.

My foreplay isn't to prove superiority. It's actually pretty difficult for me to explain my reasons behind finding them erotic(doing it to thick women). It's got nothing to do with lack of respect or generalizing women's weaknesses based on their body physique. I just don't know how to explain it.

 

[SpunThings]

My foreplay isn't to prove superiority. It's actually pretty difficult for me to explain my reasons behind finding them erotic(doing it to thick women). It's got nothing to do with lack of respect or generalizing women's weaknesses based on their body physique. I just don't know how to explain it.

OK, then I recommend finding a better way to explain it, because that's what I got from what you wrote. Here's where I got that from "because of their size and appearance and my foreplay involves showing them that even thick girls have a crucial weakness"

You're attracted to "thick" women, you like to wrestle, and you like to be the one that comes out on top. I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[LatinDominator]

OK, then I recommend finding a better way to explain it, because that's what I got from what you wrote. Here's where I got that from "because of their size and appearance and my foreplay involves showing them that even thick girls have a crucial weakness"

You're attracted to "thick" women, you like to wrestle, and you like to be the one that comes out on top. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Maybe my reasons of finding them erotic because they're a good excuse for me to get a hold of the woman's thick thighs and big butt and feel up her entire body. Speaking of weaknesses, I seen plenty of of comments on mixed wrestling forums coming from submissive men that they shamelessly admit to having crucial weaknesses so I figured that the statement of mine on this thread you pointed out wouldn't really bother women or give them misconceptions. I mean let's be real, all men and women regardless of their body shape have at least one crucial weakness in the sexual fantasies and submissive foreplay world, and even some burly manly men have the weakness of being put into these submission holds(judging by the mixed wrestling videos that I've watched on Youtube), hence why I also included thick women as having a weakness.

 

[SpunThings]

Maybe my reasons of finding them erotic because they're a good excuse for me to get a hold of the woman's thick thighs and big butt and feel up her entire body. Speaking of weaknesses, I seen plenty of of comments on mixed wrestling forums coming from submissive men that they shamelessly admit to having crucial weaknesses so I figured that the statement of mine on this thread you pointed out wouldn't really bother women or give them misconceptions. I mean let's be real, all men and women regardless of their body shape have at least one crucial weakness in the sexual fantasies and submissive foreplay world, and even some burly manly men have the weakness of being put into these submission holds(judging by the mixed wrestling videos that I've watched on Youtube), hence why I also included thick women as having a weakness.

What is this "weakness in the seual fantasies and submissive foreplay world" thing you're talking about? Can you elaborate?

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[Primalex]

Would thick women think I'm weird for having these type of sexual fantasies with them and wish to particpate [sic] them in real life?

Yes.

Ask your mother.

 

[LatinDominator]

What is this "weakness in the seual fantasies and submissive foreplay world" thing you're talking about? Can you elaborate?

The weakness is mostly mental(like the woman/man not being able to resist the muscles on a certain body part that they find the most sexually attractive) and somewhat physical(like men's ballbusting weakness). Like I stated earlier, I'm not trying to make generalizations of women based on their body shape but there have been misconceptions from many people deceived into believing that thicker women(with larger muscle mass and balanced fat) are automatically much stronger than petite-looking women(I've once seen a woman with very thick thighs at my gym who looks like she can squat over 300lbs but the most she can really squat is 175-180lbs).

Again, it's hard for me to clarify what I meant any further on what you couldn't quite comprehend but that's the best I can explain it for now.

 

[homewa]

The weakness is mostly intangible(like the woman/man not being able to resist the muscles on a certain body part that they find the most sexually attractive) and somewhat physical(like men's ballbusting weakness). Like I stated earlier, I'm not trying to make generalizations of women based on their body shape but there have been misconceptions from many people deceived into believing that thicker women(with larger muscle mass and balanced fat) are automatically much stronger than petite-looking women(I've once seen a woman with very thick thighs at my gym who looks like she can squat over 300lbs but the most she can really squat is 175-180lbs).

Again, it's hard for me to clarify what I meant any further on what you couldn't quite comprehend but that's the best I can explain it for now.

Larger muscle mass will always mean more strength... But you have to remember that women's hips are not build for deep squatting extremely heavy weights. So a woman with hug legs might be able to do very impressively if your comparison point is a man, who is built for that particular exercise. Also women tend to spread their fat out throughout their bodies, which means that a woman may look more fit than a man with the same relative percentage of fat, so the thick thighed lady may be carrying a combination of muscle and fat that may actually involve less muscle than other smaller ladies depending.

And again you can't compare female strength athletes to males... Effectively from about the time they're 11 or 12, males have been getting much larger doses of testosterone, so it'd be like trying to compare a strength athlete who was natural to one used steroids regularly for years, with near perfect cycling. Even worse a strength athlete who was on estrogenic compounds for whatever reason to one who used steroids regularly for years with near perfect cycling. So it isn't at all a fair or balanced comparison.

 

[LatinDominator]

Larger muscle mass will always mean more strength... But you have to remember that women's hips are not build for deep squatting extremely heavy weights. So a woman with hug legs might be able to do very impressively if your comparison point is a man, who is built for that particular exercise. Also women tend to spread their fat out throughout their bodies, which means that a woman may look more fit than a man with the same relative percentage of fat, so the thick thighed lady may be carrying a combination of muscle and fat that may actually involve less muscle than other smaller ladies depending.

And again you can't compare female strength athletes to males... Effectively from about the time they're 11 or 12, males have been getting much larger doses of testosterone, so it'd be like trying to compare a strength athlete who was natural to one used steroids regularly for years, with near perfect cycling. Even worse a strength athlete who was on estrogenic compounds for whatever reason to one who used steroids regularly for years with near perfect cycling. So it isn't at all a fair or balanced comparison.

She probably carries more body fat than muscle behind her mass/size then. I'm not even lying when I said the heaviest she can squat was 175ish lbs. There were women who were thinner(but toned) than her that could squat a little heavier than her at my gym. I sometimes confuse muscle mass with body fat on a woman's thighs depending on how her leg muscle shapes are proportioned.

While muscle mass does certainly have a connection to physical strength, these two don't necessarily have a direct one-to-one relationship. Plenty of powerlifters aren't as bulky and thick as bodybuilders yet they can squat and lifter slightly heavier than them.

 

[homewa]

She probably carries more body fat than muscle behind her mass/size then. I'm not even lying when I said the heaviest she can squat was 175ish lbs. There were women who were thinner(but toned) than her that could squat a little heavier than her at my gym. I sometimes confuse muscle mass with body fat on a woman's thighs depending on how her leg muscle shapes are proportioned.

Also for squats form matters a LOT. And weight matters a lot less than people think. For example if I squat 405, but take 3 seconds to go from the top of the range of motion to the bottom, it's a LOT more impressive than if I squat 600 and pop up and down in under a second, of if I squat 600 but don't hit the full range of motion. Of course there are virtues to squatting heavy and fast, or partial ROM squats, but it's easy if you're just watching people lift to make assumptions when you don't know exactly what they're working on... Maybe the lady lifts volume, maybe the other girls do 2 sets at 200 and are done, and Mrs. 175 does 10 sets at that weight, which is a lot harder than 2 sets at a slightly higher weight. Maybe she's recovering from an injury and is slowly working her way back up. Maybe her legs aren't balanced and her hamstrings aren't built to handle low squats.

Rule of thumb is, that if you don't know what a person's goals are, or their workout plan is, then you have no valid way to judge how well they lift or compare them others.

 

[LatinDominator]

Also for squats form matters a LOT. And weight matters a lot less than people think. For example if I squat 405, but take 3 seconds to go from the top of the range of motion to the bottom, it's a LOT more impressive than if I squat 600 and pop up and down in under a second, of if I squat 600 but don't hit the full range of motion. Of course there are virtues to squatting heavy and fast, or partial ROM squats, but it's easy if you're just watching people lift to make assumptions when you don't know exactly what they're working on... Maybe the lady lifts volume, maybe the other girls do 2 sets at 200 and are done, and Mrs. 175 does 10 sets at that weight, which is a lot harder than 2 sets at a slightly higher weight. Maybe she's recovering from an injury and is slowly working her way back up. Maybe her legs aren't balanced and her hamstrings aren't built to handle low squats.

Rule of thumb is, that if you don't know what a person's goals are, or their workout plan is, then you have no valid way to judge how well they lift or compare them others.

While muscle mass does certainly have a connection to physical strength, these two don't necessarily have a direct one-to-one relationship(at least from what I've heard from many personal fitness trainers and even some bodybuilders). Plenty of powerlifters aren't quite as bulky, ripped and thick as bodybuilders yet they can squat and lift slightly heavier weights than them.

 

[homewa]

While muscle mass does certainly have a connection to physical strength, these two don't necessarily have a direct one-to-one relationship(at least from what I've heard from many personal fitness trainers and even some bodybuilders). Plenty of powerlifters aren't quite as bulky, ripped and thick as bodybuilders yet they can squat and lift slightly heavier weights than them.

Heavier weights for 1 RM, but I bet you that if you dropped down 100 lbs the bodybuilders would be able to do more repetitions. Powerlifting is more about training the nervous system to handle the load than just muscular strength, and power-lifters are usually MUCH bigger than bodybuilders, they just don't look as big because they don't cut the same way. More muscle tissue means more strength, now somebody who trains for an explosive single repetition is going to develop differently than somebody who trains to fail at eight or ten or twelve repetitions. But more muscle tissue will mean more strength.

And again, if you don't know exactly what somebody is doing, you can't assess how strong they are. As I pointed out squatting 175 for a single set, is very different than doing it for ten, and squatting 175 for time under tension is a whole 'nother hell altogether.

Edit: Now one guy with more muscle mass than another may have less strength, but that isn't frequently the case.

Edit 2: Also note that "Strength" is a nebulous term without much meaning, without defining exactly what you mean by that, it loses a lot of it's value.

 

[LatinDominator]

Edit: Now one guy with more muscle mass than another may have less strength, but that isn't frequently the case.

Edit 2: Also note that "Strength" is a nebulous term without much meaning, without defining exactly what you mean by that, it loses a lot of it's value.

True. The word "strength" does seem to be thrown around a lot and used out of the context by many people who aren't very specific with what they talk about.

 

[homewa]

True. The word "strength" does seem to be thrown around a lot of used out of the context by many people who aren't very specific with what they talk about.

Well for example strength might mean the amount of weight you could lift with 1 rep, but then you have to clarify which muscle group, and whether you want explosive strength or steady strength, as term it's about as useless as "functional fitness"

 

[Netzach]

Yes it's weird, but that's not always a liability or a problem is it? "Perfectly normal" is pretty overrated.

It makes sense to me, even though I'm not kinked around contact sports or anything, as "bondage + contact."