Connecticut's strict gun law linked to large homicide drop

[BoyNextDoor]

Based on the rates in these comparable states, the researchers estimated Connecticut would have had 740 gun murders if the law had not been enacted. Instead, the state had 444, representing a 40% decrease.


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[gotsnowgotslush]

Earlier research from Webster found that Missouri's 2007 repeal of its handgun license law was associated with a 25 percent increase in its firearm homicide rates.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...w-has-led-to-40-drop-in-gun-related-homicides


"I guarantee that the people responsible for this terrible crime did not legally possess those handguns,” said Finch. “The question is how did they end up in their hands – and what can we do to prevent more weapons from ending up in the hands of criminals?”

Blumenthal said the answers start in Washington.
“No matter how good the local leadership and law enforcement, gun violence still requires strong federal protection to prevent crime, to protect against gun violence,” he said.

http://norwalk.dailyvoice.com/news/blumenthal-finch-call-tighter-gun-controls-visit-shooting-scene

 

[BotanyBoy]

Based on the rates in these comparable states, the researchers estimated Connecticut would have had 740 gun murders if the law had not been enacted. Instead, the state had 444, representing a 40% decrease.


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Well duh...it's a handgun law, it actually addresses the issues.

Clue the fucking retards in DC/NY/CA/NJ/IL in....they are busy having hysterical melt downs over bayonet mounts and pistol grips on guns used in less than 1% of crimes.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well duh...it's a handgun law, it actually addresses the issues.

Clue the fucking retards in DC/NY/CA/NJ/IL in....they are busy having hysterical melt downs over bayonet mounts and pistol grips on guns used in less than 1% of crimes.

This. And the reality is it's next to impossible to convince people that handguns are the actual problem. They tend to be seen differently from those scary rifles.

 

[BotanyBoy]

This. And the reality is it's next to impossible to convince people that handguns are the actual problem. They tend to be seen differently from those scary rifles.

I know....if they could get on board and stick with the facts instead of the emotions they might even have a chance at getting some good legislation on the books instead of just being laughed at for derp.

But I won't hold my breath.....99% chance any one of them will go for the dumbest, blow their own tits off stupid shit they can generate at any given moment.

I'm betting 3 point slings, extended charging handles and grenade launcher barrel indention/clips on AR barrels are the next to be outlawed saving tens of thousands of lives no doubt. LOL oh well....at least I don't live in Texas or Florida.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Honestly knowing the facts I would barely give a shit if they outright banned handguns or at least made them a bitch to obtain and then issued every American a shotgun and a rifle.

 

[kimber22]

Based on the rates in these comparable states, the researchers estimated Connecticut would have had 740 gun murders if the law had not been enacted. Instead, the state had 444, representing a 40% decrease.

Well, don't know wheter or not I should be for guns or against... However, I'm from Europe. And as you all know, this is pretty clear in Europe. And we, in Europa have pretty clear numbers about it... however...

I am a clear propoenent FOR weaponst!

Because the more guns you guys have arount, the better is the chance, that the dumb guys blow themselves them heads off...

Someone happpened to learn the name of Gregor Mendel? A Catholic Monk?

 

[Aglaopheme]

Had to do it

But I won't hold my breath.....99% chance any one of them will go for the dumbest, blow their own tits off stupid shit they can generate at any given moment.

Like this?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/18/woman-kills-self-adjusting-bra-holster/23640143/

 

[phrodeau]

Like this?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/18/woman-kills-self-adjusting-bra-holster/23640143/

Survival of the fit tits.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Survival of the fit tits.

Nice!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Like this?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/18/woman-kills-self-adjusting-bra-holster/23640143/

Exactly.....

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Based on the rates in these comparable states, the researchers estimated Connecticut would have had 740 gun murders if the law had not been enacted. Instead, the state had 444, representing a 40% decrease.


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proof, that you are a fucking idiot

 

[BotanyBoy]

Honestly knowing the facts I would barely give a shit if they outright banned handguns or at least made them a bitch to obtain and then issued every American a shotgun and a rifle.

Oh I'd totally get behind that.

Restrict/regulate the fuck out of pistols and issue every eligible (non convict/mental patients etc) adult a standard issue M4 and/or M500....Free training/weapons issue at your local community center every other Sunday Afternoon run by PD's/Sheriff.

Stop the stupid stockpiling of shit we don't need because military contractors need a contract and get this shit going

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'd have to look long and hard at the convicts list as well considering we have so many laws and laws that are actually enforced I mean that something like 1 in 100 Americans is a convict. I'm not sure why getting caught with weed should prevent you from defending yourself. Or bouncing a check. Or not being able to pay a speeding ticket in a timely fashion or literally hundreds of other things. Considering that depending on the cops and who they believe you can easily get assault charges on you for self defense if it's difficult or impossible to prove who started the damned thing.

 

[kimber22]

Based on the rates in these comparable states, the researchers estimated Connecticut would have had 740 gun murders if the law had not been enacted. Instead, the state had 444, representing a 40% decrease.

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really? there's an official statistic that shows what everyone in the world knows (except, obviously, some or many US-Americans): The less guns are around, the less gun murders occur...

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'd have to look long and hard at the convicts list as well considering we have so many laws and laws that are actually enforced I mean that something like 1 in 100 Americans is a convict. I'm not sure why getting caught with weed should prevent you from defending yourself. Or bouncing a check. Or not being able to pay a speeding ticket in a timely fashion or literally hundreds of other things. Considering that depending on the cops and who they believe you can easily get assault charges on you for self defense if it's difficult or impossible to prove who started the damned thing.

I'm sorry, I should have said felons who have been convicted of violent acts against their fellow citizen.

 

[Sean Renaud]

really? there's an official statistic that shows what everyone in the world knows (except, obviously, some or many US-Americans): The less guns are around, the less gun murders occur...

It probably prevented a decent number of murders as well. Turns out that a lot of murders are crimes of passion (not that it makes it okay) but not truly premeditated in the sense that most people think. In the time it takes to come up with one of the thousand other ways to kill someone that people mention about if you take guns you'd likely have calmed down a great deal and realized "holy shit I'll get caught and go to pound my ass prison!"

Basically while it's "true" that guns don't kill people, people kill people they are highly effective tools. It's like saying cars don't take people to Disneyland, people take people to Disneyland. I promise you if the patrons of Disneyland had to walk from their homes to Disneyland attendance would fucking plummet for obvious reasons. The easier something is the more people do it.

I'm sorry, I should have said felons who have been convicted of violent acts against their fellow citizen.

I'd be willing to accept that. Though honestly I'd rather find some government agency with too many resources and allocate some of them to making it a case by case basis with them. Not only are not all acts of violence the same honestly what's the point of serving your sentence if even once it's over you're still treated like you haven't paid your debt to society? Obviously there are people who shouldn't be armed. And while I wouldn't have a psych test, I would like to improve mental health facilities as whole in the country and then not let people with various symptoms be armed.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Oh I'd totally get behind that.

Restrict/regulate the fuck out of pistols and issue every eligible (non convict/mental patients etc) adult a standard issue M4 and/or M500....Free training/weapons issue at your local community center every other Sunday Afternoon run by PD's/Sheriff.

Stop the stupid stockpiling of shit we don't need because military contractors need a contract and get this shit going

clearly you would love and enjoy live in Syria and Iraq

god, your kind is so fucking stupid. we really needed to let mother nature take its course and if a million or ten million of your kind dies .... well, the world will thank you

 

[BotanyBoy]

clearly you would love and enjoy live in Syria and Iraq

god, your kind is so fucking stupid. we really needed to let mother nature take its course and if a million or ten million of your kind dies .... well, the world will thank you

How would you know what Syria and or Iraq are like? Have you ever been?

I have not much different than Texas..just replace churches with mosques and it's practically the same of shit hole. Climate, politics, gunfire, religious whack jobs....yep.

How would mother nature taking it's course kill off independent off the grid farmers?? It's doing it out there right now....oh look I'm still here.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Based on the rates in these comparable states, the researchers estimated Connecticut would have had 740 gun murders if the law had not been enacted. Instead, the state had 444, representing a 40% decrease.

So, what are the "comparable states?"

 

[BotanyBoy]

Hi Folks,

When I read the original story, it seemed a bit too good to be true. It turns out that the 'science' applied to the study is questionable.

It's really not.......they had a handgun problem, they restricted handgun access and the problem was reduced. It's not even science it's common sense.

No surprise really. Today science is wielded as a political instrument to drive a narrative, and no one seems to discuss how the results were obtained.

That's not science...the scientific method has not changed, it just rarely goes with the RW narrative thus launching the US conservative war on science and trying to make it out to be as flimsy as their assumptions/religious whackery.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/06/14/fact-checking-one-of-the-worst-wapo-gun-control-stories-ever/

Sorry, "you can't prove it would have been worse without it!!" and "Super computer simulations aren't always exact!!" doesn't fly as proof that the 40% drop in gun crime which is almost entirely done with handguns in this country had nothing to do with the restrictions.

The reality is that all empirical and circumstantial evidence surrounding the issue shows restricting general public access to handguns has an impact on a handgun violence issue.

Another statistic that is rarely, if ever, reported is how many murders are committed by lawful gun owners.

Because it's fucking retarded....

The number is zero....everyone is a lawful gun owner, until they are not.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There are a couple of points the article makes and I think are worth pointing out.

1. Connecticut took several actions at the same time as the gun law was passed. These were pro-active policing efforts that could have also affected the rate of gun crimes, if not been more responsible than the actual gun law itself.

2. The author of the study created an artificial city to use as a basis for comparison. Even the author admits the study was 'somewhat indirect'.

1) yep there is a lot that goes into it beyond just passing a law. But it STARTS with the law...

2) That's why it's called a simulation in a super computer, not real world fact. Doesn't mean the simulations aren't worth noting.

3. The thrust of the article supports additional gun restricting laws which impacts individuals who follow the law. Criminals by definition don't normally follow the law, so creating additional gun laws won't impact the crime rate, it will only restrict law-abiding individuals ability to purchase firearms.

RW fantasy fallacy.... laws absolutely impact the criminal element, not just law abiding element. To say otherwise is to advocate total lawlessness across the board.

Are you an Anarchist?

Chicago stands as a good example.

No it doesn't...unless your talking about how to do gun control wrong.

Not all gun control is the same, quit trying to paint it as such.

It's a city where guns are high restricted, but the murder rate is high. If restricting guns results in a lower crime rate, chicago seems to stand in opposition to that premise.

There is more to gun crime than just the laws, that doesn't mean the laws don't have any effect on a criminal element because GOP fantasy land.

Gun deaths were going into a period of steep decline nearly everywhere, gun control laws being in place or not. And what was the real cause? People were fed up and angry about the dangerous conditions they were enduring and demanding action. Places like New York City implemented the Broken Windows policy and the rest of the nation followed their example when they saw how effective it was. So, was Connecticut on board with those ideas as well?

Gentle slow decline in most places....let's not get crazy with the buushit.

Part of the action demanded is better regulations on guns.

Examples abound. Starting in 1995, Connecticut began expanding and deploying their state troopers into high crime areas, not just to catch criminals after the fact, but to crack down on drug dealers coming into the area and shooting the place up.

Yea there are a lot of factors that play into guns vs violent crime...

The Washington Post author was honest enough to admit that the study results were somewhat indirect and drew conclusions that they can only guess at, but it would have been nice to note those things before making the opening claims which strongly suggest they’ve found the answer.

Claims supported by a fuck ton of both empirical and circumstantial pointing to the answer being better gun control laws on handguns to deal with a handgun problem being a good idea and place to start.....followed up by enforcement and public education/awareness.

Creating a fake Connecticut Frankenstein and comparing it to the real world is absurd.

It's not absurd it's called making an educated guess based on the best evidence available using the best tools available. Just because you don't like the results of a few bazzilion simulations run in a super computer doesn't mean it's absurd.

Strong policing and a fed up populace who demanded protection from the thugs who ignore gun laws are what brought down the crime rate.

Policing is useless without laws for them to enforce.....

Well regulated handguns = less handgun crimes.....considering handgun crime = the landslide majority of gun crime that's going to put a huge dent in gun crime overall.
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