What's happened to respect for the elderly?

[renard_ruse]

About 25-30 years ago, elderly rights was a big issue. Elderly advocates like Claude Pepper, AARP, and the Grey Panthers were active promoting the interests of elderly. I remember teachers in school telling us to respect the elderly and that we could learn from them. I thought screw that, let em die. Not really, but I wanted to piss off the stupid self-righteous teachers, lol. Seriously, though, respecting the elderly was a politically correct issue in those days.

Now, it seems that everyone over 65 or 70 is considered to be on death's door and won't be around more than a few weeks, they all have Alzheimer's and no mental capacity, much less ability to contribute anything to society (and yet people are working longer than ever out of necessity). This attitude is especially prevalent among Gen Y'ers. The difference today is that there doesn't seem to be any movement to encourage people to respect the elderly and what they can offer to society.

And not all elderly have Alzheimer's. Just because an old person is a little slow sometimes, doesn't mean they have Alzheimer's or are incompetent.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Lots of things happened. Conservatism has done an outstanding job of breaking up the family unit so more and more people don't have any contact at all with their elders, certainly not like older generations did. I would routinely go years between seeing my Grandparents. Hell growing my Grandparents being around was almost always inspired by someone graduating from some level of education and not always then. IT was simply dumb luck that because of our ages I graduated High School, my sister Middle School, one brother college, one brother Elementry all within the same week. They would die (all three there was one I never met) all within the span of 9 months seven years down the road and I never saw them again. I'd get a courtesy call on all the major holidays but nobody was pretending it was anything but a formality. So there is that.

I don't think at any point in history the elderly have collectively been as out of touch with society as they are now making the adage of we can learn a lot from them less true than it was before. Not untrue mind you but less true. None of my grandparents could use the internet competently, hell my Mother is only quasi competent. (My dad is into tech and can generally run circles around me) Cars in every garage, the mass take over of society by big business. Compare that to the two thousand years prior. People farmed and rode horses from the time of Jesus to the time of Jesse James! Medicine was mostly made up bullshit so when Grams said you could cure an Ear Ache by eating granola or could feel a storm coming in the finger she broke. . .well that was about as accurate as anything else. Today I can shoot down to the drug store and get a real cure, or the clinic and get checked up by someone whose an expert, I can turn on my tv and check to see if there is rain expected anytime soon.

Finally we live in a much less formal world than at any period in the past. The days of people being respected simply for being older are gone. A lot of us don't even really want it in a lot of ways. I'm constantly telling people my name is Sean, Mr. Renaud is my Father and will probably remain that way until I die. If I'm better than you it's because I'm better than you. Not because I had the good fortune to be born a few years prior to you.

I'm sure there are other factors involved, but I'd wager those are the big ones.

 

[Iceprincess12]

A lot depends on how you were raised and how your culture views the elderly.
*tmi alert*

I take care of my mom and she came to live with us last year because of some small strokes. People are always telling me how lucky my mom is but in the Korean culture, that is just what you do. We respect the elderly, they are not looked at as disposable, but in fact they are still deferred to when it comes to decision making. There isn't any difference from being disrespectful to someone at 30 or 80, if they are your elder it's wrong.

I grew up with a lot of Korean people and I could always hear the shame in voices when they would talk about someone being in a nurseing home or if their children didn't take care of them. We knew a lot of "grandmas" that we would visit and my mom would chat with. It is just a part of growong up that we don't leave our elderly and a nursing home is probably the ultimate shame if their are able kids. I understand why people do it, but if I did, I wouldn't be the one suffering the shame, my mom would. Koreans are gossipy and it would be known how sad she must be that her daughter doesn't take care of her.

Even with all of that being said, people are always responsible for their own behavior and attitudes. This notion that conservatism has broken up the family is ridiculous and as much as I like Sean, people who blame everything on these social concepts and nameless groups of people are complete and utter retards. Be a man and name someone conservative that has made a single person disrespect the elderly. Just one. It's stupid, unless you are a robot that has been preprogrammed and can't think of a single useful thought on your own, then YOU disrespect the eldery, YOU treat them with contempt and as useless. Grow a backbone and own your behavior.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lots of things happened. Conservatism has done an outstanding job of breaking up the family unit so more and more people don't have any contact at all with their elders, certainly not like older generations did. I would routinely go years between seeing my Grandparents. Hell growing my Grandparents being around was almost always inspired by someone graduating from some level of education and not always then. IT was simply dumb luck that because of our ages I graduated High School, my sister Middle School, one brother college, one brother Elementry all within the same week. They would die (all three there was one I never met) all within the span of 9 months seven years down the road and I never saw them again. I'd get a courtesy call on all the major holidays but nobody was pretending it was anything but a formality. So there is that.

I don't think at any point in history the elderly have collectively been as out of touch with society as they are now making the adage of we can learn a lot from them less true than it was before. Not untrue mind you but less true. None of my grandparents could use the internet competently, hell my Mother is only quasi competent. (My dad is into tech and can generally run circles around me) Cars in every garage, the mass take over of society by big business. Compare that to the two thousand years prior. People farmed and rode horses from the time of Jesus to the time of Jesse James! Medicine was mostly made up bullshit so when Grams said you could cure an Ear Ache by eating granola or could feel a storm coming in the finger she broke. . .well that was about as accurate as anything else. Today I can shoot down to the drug store and get a real cure, or the clinic and get checked up by someone whose an expert, I can turn on my tv and check to see if there is rain expected anytime soon.

Finally we live in a much less formal world than at any period in the past. The days of people being respected simply for being older are gone. A lot of us don't even really want it in a lot of ways. I'm constantly telling people my name is Sean, Mr. Renaud is my Father and will probably remain that way until I die. If I'm better than you it's because I'm better than you. Not because I had the good fortune to be born a few years prior to you.

I'm sure there are other factors involved, but I'd wager those are the big ones.

Good points...


I'm polite and respectful. But that's because they are humans....and that's how I treat other people till they give me a reason otherwise. Not because they are old and I sure as shit don't owe them anything other than the common courtesies I extend to all strangers.

 

[rippitydoo]

"You Get What You Give"

Every time I go to the store (often with a relative, since I'm not licensed, but choosing & paying for my own groceries), I am amazed by the number of elderly that have what I have long termed "SOR", or "Sense Of Responsibility".

It's seen in looks & actions (extra-slow, cart going across entire aisles, etc.) that say, "I was here (meaning the planet) first, so I'm a higher ranking...".

I didn't choose my birthplace, family, DOB, or any of that! I always hold doors open for people of any age or gender, help them carry things, answer questions, & much more. Doubt many elderly I encounter could name many males my age & race that do all that.) So why do I get treated like something that has been rejected by a dumpster in return?!

Idea: Question for next thread is, "What's happened to respect FROM the elderly?"

 

[Sean Renaud]

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Even with all of that being said, people are always responsible for their own behavior and attitudes. This notion that conservatism has broken up the family is ridiculous and as much as I like Sean, people who blame everything on these social concepts and nameless groups of people are complete and utter retards. Be a man and name someone conservative that has made a single person disrespect the elderly. Just one. It's stupid, unless you are a robot that has been preprogrammed and can't think of a single useful thought on your own, then YOU disrespect the eldery, YOU treat them with contempt and as useless. Grow a backbone and own your behavior.

The first half of this is basically a convoluted way of saying you weren't raised in American culture and no offense that kinda means you don't count. I'm certain Renard was talking about Americans specifically not every group on earth.

Social concepts are thought up by "nameless" groups however, though I could name several of the individual groups that make it up. First nearly everybody in the world is a programmed robot. You already pointed out how much of your respect for your mother comes from the culture that you were raised in. Presumably had you been raised in a different culture you would behave differently because that's how people are. In America you can see it everywhere without much difficulty. Trust me, choosing Football and baseball over FIFA is not some genetic thing, it's not something in the water, it's something that's "programmed" in. So is the flag waving patriot (in every country that has them), so is the language you speak, the religion you choose, the style of food you eat and hundreds or thousands of other things that you never even think about. And that's without getting into all the shit you learn from salesman and sales tricks that show that you make a lot fewer choices than you really think. Trust me candy at the check out aisle is because people make impulse buys but if it's not Halloween rarely actively look for candy. It's simple arrogance to think we aren't programmed both socially and biologically.

Name one conservative who made someone disrespect the elderly? First that's not actually what I said. There is a gulf between actively disrespecting someone, being rude in general towards them, and what most people would call respect. I don't think I treat most people here with respect. But I'm virtually never disrespectful. Second you can lay that neatly at the feet of industrialization, urbanization and capitalism in general. We live in a society where if you haven't moved out of your parents place by your mid twenties something is wrong with you. There are precious few people left who plan to inherit the family business and thus stay close to home. Many move great distances. I'm not arguing against it mind you. As much as I do love my family and would choose most of them most of the time I more love the fact that everybody that I associate with is 100% by choice. With the exception of some business associates I could cut them all off tomorrow and it wouldn't hurt me financially one bit. There is no codependence like say for farm workers or even old Mom & Pops stores where you worked for your parents as a kid and when they got older you slowly took more and more responsibility for it. The breaking up of the family unit wasn't intentional mind you, it was a side effect of more people being increasingly independent but it's impossible to claim that wasn't the effect.

And if we're talking minorities we can't ignore the war on drugs. And you can tell yourself however many times you want that nobody forces blacks to smoke weed so it's their own damn fault. However nobody was forcing whites to drink in the teens and twenties yet when it became obvious to the government that Prohibition was hurting the population the Constitution itself was amended after I believe sixteen years. By comparison the war on drugs would really just require a President with the balls to say "Focus your attentions elsewhere boys!" And in reality would be a very easy thing for Congress to pass with a simple majority no need for ratification by 75% of the states as with an amendment and yet the closest anybody has come is Obama kinda sorta ignoring that Colorado is in violation of Federal Law, (while still not really pushing banks to work with them which puts them at great risk since that means they deal almost exclusively in cash.) And that broke up a lot of families as well.

This is of course a simplification of a complex issue but it's not difficult to lay blame where it rightfully belongs.

Good points...


I'm polite and respectful. But that's because they are humans....and that's how I treat other people till they give me a reason otherwise. Not because they are old and I sure as shit don't owe them anything other than the common courtesies I extend to all strangers.

I'm polite, I don't know if I'm respectful. Like I mentioned above there is a gulf (for me) between being outright disrespectful and actually being respectful. I don't think my feelings for Vetteman for example were exactly a secret. (Nor miles, Koala or Renard Ruse) but if I'm calling them out of name, or calling them stupid I'm some combination of drunk, pissed and frustrated and usually I'll sign off if I'm getting to that point.

If we're just talking common courtesies then yeah. If I pass you on the street you can be rocking a swastika and I'll still probably not in your direction and ignore that you don't do it back. I'll hold the door if I'm in it for anybody. I'm not rude or anything but like you said I don't owe you shit by virtue of you having been born first.

 

[patient1]

Hmm. Well, I'd say that there's a level of success. Who is "The Greatest Generation"? . What is "the 3rd Rail of American Politics"?

Generally, I'd agree with Sean. The Elderly are no longer the sole depositories of wisdom and knowledge. We got Google and social media on our phones. Most of us are better educated than our grandparents and their friends.

If by blaming Conservatives for the break-up of the family he is referring to favoring big business over family business, shaming gays, lesbians, and unmarried couples away, exporting jobs, war on drugs, uh, yeah...when you put it like that, he's right again.

 

[Iceprincess12]

The first half of this is basically a convoluted way of saying you weren't raised in American culture and no offense that kinda means you don't count. I'm certain Renard was talking about Americans specifically not every group on earth.

Social concepts are thought up by "nameless" groups however, though I could name several of the individual groups that make it up. First nearly everybody in the world is a programmed robot. You already pointed out how much of your respect for your mother comes from the culture that you were raised in. Presumably had you been raised in a different culture you would behave differently because that's how people are. In America you can see it everywhere without much difficulty. Trust me, choosing Football and baseball over FIFA is not some genetic thing, it's not something in the water, it's something that's "programmed" in. So is the flag waving patriot (in every country that has them), so is the language you speak, the religion you choose, the style of food you eat and hundreds or thousands of other things that you never even think about. And that's without getting into all the shit you learn from salesman and sales tricks that show that you make a lot fewer choices than you really think. Trust me candy at the check out aisle is because people make impulse buys but if it's not Halloween rarely actively look for candy. It's simple arrogance to think we aren't programmed both socially and biologically.

Name one conservative who made someone disrespect the elderly? First that's not actually what I said. There is a gulf between actively disrespecting someone, being rude in general towards them, and what most people would call respect. I don't think I treat most people here with respect. But I'm virtually never disrespectful. Second you can lay that neatly at the feet of industrialization, urbanization and capitalism in general. We live in a society where if you haven't moved out of your parents place by your mid twenties something is wrong with you. There are precious few people left who plan to inherit the family business and thus stay close to home. Many move great distances. I'm not arguing against it mind you. As much as I do love my family and would choose most of them most of the time I more love the fact that everybody that I associate with is 100% by choice. With the exception of some business associates I could cut them all off tomorrow and it wouldn't hurt me financially one bit. There is no codependence like say for farm workers or even old Mom & Pops stores where you worked for your parents as a kid and when they got older you slowly took more and more responsibility for it. The breaking up of the family unit wasn't intentional mind you, it was a side effect of more people being increasingly independent but it's impossible to claim that wasn't the effect.

And if we're talking minorities we can't ignore the war on drugs. And you can tell yourself however many times you want that nobody forces blacks to smoke weed so it's their own damn fault. However nobody was forcing whites to drink in the teens and twenties yet when it became obvious to the government that Prohibition was hurting the population the Constitution itself was amended after I believe sixteen years. By comparison the war on drugs would really just require a President with the balls to say "Focus your attentions elsewhere boys!" And in reality would be a very easy thing for Congress to pass with a simple majority no need for ratification by 75% of the states as with an amendment and yet the closest anybody has come is Obama kinda sorta ignoring that Colorado is in violation of Federal Law, (while still not really pushing banks to work with them which puts them at great risk since that means they deal almost exclusively in cash.) And that broke up a lot of families as well.

This is of course a simplification of a complex issue but it's not difficult to lay blame where it rightfully belongs.



I'm polite, I don't know if I'm respectful. Like I mentioned above there is a gulf (for me) between being outright disrespectful and actually being respectful. I don't think my feelings for Vetteman for example were exactly a secret. (Nor miles, Koala or Renard Ruse) but if I'm calling them out of name, or calling them stupid I'm some combination of drunk, pissed and frustrated and usually I'll sign off if I'm getting to that point.

If we're just talking common courtesies then yeah. If I pass you on the street you can be rocking a swastika and I'll still probably not in your direction and ignore that you don't do it back. I'll hold the door if I'm in it for anybody. I'm not rude or anything but like you said I don't owe you shit by virtue of you having been born first.

The blame is where is always should be no matter how many irrelevant issues to the original you bring up. Good job of throwing in racism, I realize the chip on your shoulder is huge and you love pointing out how "those blacks" have gotten a raw deal so smoking weed is the answer...sigh. If you had an original thought and everything you said wasn't just garbage spit out by whichever group seems more anti american, I would respect your wordy response, but it isn't. Next time just cut and paste your spiel, it saves time.

I did grow up American, I lived in S. Korea for 6 months, then El Paso Texas for 5 years and Washington St since then. Thank you for calling me not an American though, I didn't realize that your definition on American culture was what mattered. Next time define all the ideals and concepts so people like me, American but not really, can know that my opinion is invalid because I didn't fit into your stereotype.

Bottom line is still the same. Any disrespect to the elderly is on you. You make choices about behavior everyday and if your choice is to sit back and whine because people are treated unfairly...that's fine but own it. It makes us feel better to blame nameless groups, that way we know it's too big to fight, an effort would be worthless and let's just all sit and watch tv until someone else fixes it. Again, your choice but own it. Personal responsibility isn't a clever buzzword, it'a a backbone. Try having one someday, you may like it.



luv you

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hmm. Well, I'd say that there's a level of success. Who is "The Greatest Generation"? . What is "the 3rd Rail of American Politics"?

Generally, I'd agree with Sean. The Elderly are no longer the sole depositories of wisdom and knowledge. We got Google and social media on our phones. Most of us are better educated than our grandparents and their friends.

If by blaming Conservatives for the break-up of the family he is referring to favoring big business over family business, shaming gays, lesbians, and unmarried couples away, exporting jobs, war on drugs, uh, yeah...when you put it like that, he's right again.

The only thing I would add to your list of things blame them for on the break up of the family is well an off shoot of favoring big business over family business. Like I said above in modern America you're a loser if you're over twenty five and still live with your parents. They talk about people who live in mother's basement with extreme prejudice. Doesn't matter if you pay half the rent on the building, do all the maintenance, cook and clean and that financially speaking a strong case could be made that they live with you not the other way around. You are a thing of shame. Now pretty much all Americans think that way but that doesn't make it's point of origin any different.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I did grow up American, I lived in S. Korea for 6 months, then El Paso Texas for 5 years and Washington St since then.

Yea but your parents and or grandparents were probably FOB's just like mine. So when those traditions from the old country pop up in America we are absolutely the exception and not the rule. Just because there is kim bap and jop che at my thanksgiving doesn't make the American standard not sweet potatoes and corn.

Reality, most Americans stick the old folks in the old folk home and send them a card at Christmas. FOBulous Korean traditions aren't the American way even if they leak over here and there for a gen or two.

Bottom line is still the same. Any disrespect to the elderly is on you.

No....elderly play their part in how they are treated too. You don't get a free asshole pass just because old. There are limits to even cultural traditions. My hal muh ni practically disowned me because I dated a non Christian non Korean woman. She and her bigoted ol' Korean traditional ass can rot in a piss stank old fuckers home...I'll never visit or bother with the arrangements when she eats it. 5 dollar cardboard box for her ashes, send it to a proper waste disposal facility....

If she doesn't like it then she should take a lil personal responsibility for her actions and either quit being such a fuckhead or go beg for someone who will have her toxic hateful ass around.

Personal responsibility isn't a clever buzzword, it'a a backbone. Try having one someday, you may like it.

So should a lot of old folks who think they are owed just because old.

I also find it's mostly spoken about by those who have very little to none themselves.....
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[rippitydoo]

The first half of this is basically a convoluted way of saying you weren't raised in American culture and no offense that kinda means you don't count. I'm certain Renard was talking about Americans specifically not every group on earth.

This is of course a simplification of a complex issue but it's not difficult to lay blame where it rightfully belongs.



I'm polite, I don't know if I'm respectful. Like I mentioned above there is a gulf (for me) between being outright disrespectful and actually being respectful. I don't think my feelings for Vetteman for example were exactly a secret. (Nor miles, Koala or Renard Ruse) but if I'm calling them out of name, or calling them stupid I'm some combination of drunk, pissed and frustrated and usually I'll sign off if I'm getting to that point.

If we're just talking common courtesies then yeah. If I pass you on the street you can be rocking a swastika and I'll still probably not in your direction and ignore that you don't do it back. I'll hold the door if I'm in it for anybody. I'm not rude or anything but like you said I don't owe you shit by virtue of you having been born first.

Check that again?

"This is of course a simplification of a complex issue but it's not difficult to lay blame where it rightfully belongs."


Yeah; With you for deciding incorrectly & baselessly who belongs or counts & who you owe anything to,

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes Ice, did and do play the race card. As well I should. It's a legit card in my deck. It's funny how you don't address the actual issue I mention at all because at the end of the day you simply can't.

Riddle me this, why did Prohibition end but the War on Drugs remain? The most benign answer is America simply didn't care enough to change it and that involves giving a fair amount of benefit of the doubt.

Bot fairly accurately covered most of the rest of your points.

Check that again?

"This is of course a simplification of a complex issue but it's not difficult to lay blame where it rightfully belongs."


Yeah; With you for deciding incorrectly & baselessly who belongs or counts & who you owe anything to,

I explained my position perfectly well. If you have a problem with it either offer an alternative theory or kindly shut the fuck up.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Bot fairly accurately covered most of the rest of your points.

And Eddie Murphy has the single greatest 80's track of all time....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDbpzjbXUZI

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[Iceprincess12]

Yea but your parents and or grandparents were probably FOB's just like mine. So when those traditions from the old country pop up in America we are absolutely the exception and not the rule. Just because there is kim bap and jop che at my thanksgiving doesn't make the American standard not sweet potatoes and corn.

Reality, most Americans stick the old folks in the old folk home and send them a card at Christmas. FOBulous Korean traditions aren't the American way even if they leak over here and there for a gen or two.



No....elderly play their part in how they are treated too. You don't get a free asshole pass just because old. There are limits to even cultural traditions. My hal muh ni practically disowned me because I dated a non Christian non Korean woman. She and her bigoted ol' Korean traditional ass can rot in a piss stank old fuckers home...I'll never visit or bother with the arrangements when she eats it. 5 dollar cardboard box for her ashes, send it to a proper waste disposal facility....

If she doesn't like it then she should take a lil personal responsibility for her actions and either quit being such a fuckhead or go beg for someone who will have her toxic hateful ass around.



So should a lot of old folks who think they are owed just because old.

I also find it's mostly spoken about by those who have very little to none themselves.....
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I wish I could speak some Korean so I could curse at you, lol.

We are not talking about elderly jerks, a jerk is a jerk, no matter the age. My understanding is that we are talking about a general feeling that when you get old, you are now a bother and someone else's problem. I don't disagree that we treat elderly like that and it makes it easier for every one to ship them off to the nursing home, but it's still a choice. There is no magic about Korean culture that says I need to care for my mom. As an adult I could have said screw you and forgot about any of the lessons I was taught. I didn't, that is my decision.

I am not sure I agree about the backbone statement. It is hard to stand for what you believe when everyone is staring you down. Someone without one will take a seat when challenged, but sometimes ignorance is mistaken for backbone and those people don't even own a chair.


Sweet potatoes and corn?? Is that what I am supposed to eat for Thanksgiving? I have sweet potato pie because my dad grew up in the south. Not that disgusting marshmallow thing, that is really confusing to me. I have never had corn, we usually try for fresh green beans with our Turkey. So even your stereotype...

I thought of an insult...go back to the rice paddy, lolol.

 

[rippitydoo]

I explained my position perfectly well. If you have a problem with it either offer an alternative theory or kindly shut the fuck up.

I didn't say I had any problem understanding your position. I in fact understood it perfectly well, which is why I made the statements I made about you.

You don't have a single card in your deck... You have a bunch of them, which is why your finger slipped, & you misspelled what you claimed to be the card's location, but which we all know to actually be a synonym for you.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I didn't say I had any problem understanding your position. I in fact understood it perfectly well, which is why I made the statements I made about you.

You don't have a single card in your deck... You have a bunch of them, which is why your finger slipped, & you misspelled what you claimed to be the card's location, but which we all know to actually be a synonym for you.

Of course I have a bunch of cards in my deck. Most decks did. If you took my meaning as I've only got a single race card. . .well either we're playing a game where I can play the same card multiple times or I did put as many in the deck as I'm going to need on average. I am not a moron.

You made the statements you made because you're an idiot. It's okay, lots of litsters are.

 

[Iceprincess12]

Yes Ice, did and do play the race card. As well I should. It's a legit card in my deck. It's funny how you don't address the actual issue I mention at all because at the end of the day you simply can't.

Riddle me this, why did Prohibition end but the War on

Yes Ice, did and do play the race card. As well I should. It's a legit card in my deck. It's funny how you don't address the actual issue I mention at all because at the end of the day you simply can't.

Riddle me this, why did Prohibition end but the War on Drugs remain? The most benign answer is America simply didn't care enough to change it and that involves giving a fair amount of benefit of the doubt.

Bot fairly accurately covered most of the rest of your points.

It's not my fault you are black, it's not my fault people don't like you because of it. It's your fault that you see the world through your color. I didn't know you were black until you mentioned it, why did you? Why is your color so important? What do I know about you now that I know it?

I didn't address it because you like to throw acid bombs to distract from the real fire. Acid is super scary and people run around with their hands shaking "oh my oh my". Meanwhile the fire slowly burns and never gets put out. The bottom line is if you hate being black...oh well, it's your lot in life. Fuck the people who hate you for it. You will never make everyone happy and you should be proud of it. If every stranger that crosses the street when they see you coming offends you (including me), then stay in your house, order groceries from Amazon and watch seinfield reruns. Let me dictate how you feel about you, let me hold you down, let me screw you over. It's still your choice.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's nobody's fault I'm black it just happens to be true. I don't remember when or the circumstances under which I first brought it up in a location you would be privy to it. It's not exactly a secret either.

Of course I see things through race. The world I live in makes that an important thing to keep in mind. To pretend that my race is not a factor in how a lot of things either do or can potentially play out for me is to blind myself to the facts of my world. It would be no different than walking into the UN and thinking that my being American isn't a factor in how people react to me.

I shouldn't be proud that I'm black. I didn't choose it or earn it or anything like that. However if people are crossing the street when they see me coming that's NOT my choice. If I'm not getting jobs because of my skin, that's not my choice. You can claim all you want that I'm allowing myself to be held down but that's not the reality of the situation. I don't actually rule the world contrary to popular belief. Not everything is my choice or under my control. Lots of things happen to me that are one hundred percent done to me through no fault of my own.

 

[rippitydoo]

Of course I have a bunch of cards in my deck. Most decks did. If you took my meaning as I've only got a single race card. . .well either we're playing a game where I can play the same card multiple times or I did put as many in the deck as I'm going to need on average. I am not a moron.

You made the statements you made because you're an idiot. It's okay, lots of litsters are.

Most decks still do. I didn't mistake your meaning. I (again understood your meaning b/c it was clear. You continue to be an idiot (as you said, many here are), but you are smart in the area of not wanting to admit that, so you tried to make it as though I was having comprehension issues when the truth is you're quite-obviously saying things that are unfair, wrong, idiotic, etc.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Most decks still do. I didn't mistake your meaning. I (again understood your meaning b/c it was clear. You continue to be an idiot (as you said, many here are), but you are smart in the area of not wanting to admit that, so you tried to make it as though I was having comprehension issues when the truth is you're quite-obviously saying things that are unfair, wrong, idiotic, etc.

if you didn't have a comprehension problem you wouldn't have said what you did. So either you're well below my inteligence, possible but not probable or you're a lying scum bag. I vote the latter.

Yes things are unfair, wrong, idiotic and we could come up with a shit ton more adjectives. Should I pretend that they are not because it offends some people?

 

[Iceprincess12]

It's nobody's fault I'm black it just happens to be true. I don't remember when or the circumstances under which I first brought it up in a location you would be privy to it. It's not exactly a secret either.

Of course I see things through race. The world I live in makes that an important thing to keep in mind. To pretend that my race is not a factor in how a lot of things either do or can potentially play out for me is to blind myself to the facts of my world. It would be no different than walking into the UN and thinking that my being American isn't a factor in how people react to me.

I shouldn't be proud that I'm black. I didn't choose it or earn it or anything like that. However if people are crossing the street when they see me coming that's NOT my choice. If I'm not getting jobs because of my skin, that's not my choice. You can claim all you want that I'm allowing myself to be held down but that's not the reality of the situation. I don't actually rule the world contrary to popular belief. Not everything is my choice or under my control. Lots of things happen to me that are one hundred percent done to me through no fault of my own.

Not proud that you are black...sigh. Can you stop with your race card? Shove it up your ass for 2 fucking posts please! I hate swearing, but isn't that what blacks do to get attention? Now, hopefully I have yours.


Waaa waaa waaa, people were mean to you...so? You didn't get a job...so? My opinion of you has been that you are a reasonably intelligent person, otherwise we could be talking about what color playdoh tastes best. You are testing that opinion by refusing to take the black out of your mouth and speak to me like a person. This post is about the elderly. If you have nothing to contribute to that discussion, stop posting. If you want to talk about race, hop over to the gb, you can race bait all day long. Race is such a boring subject to me and is neither the answer nor the question. You said I didn't answer you, which is why we are continuing to speak about this.

I don't expect you to be anything more than you are, but I never thought you were just a color.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I shall not shove it my ass for two posts, not when it has become the primary point of the discussion. That again would make me a moron. Race, gender and religion are important parts of nearly every discussion in America because they do effect everything that happens in one way or another.

I am talking to you like a person, you simply don't like the words that are coming out of my mouth at the moment. Which is ultimately your own hang up. I have already contributed all that needs to be contributed to that conversation. It's not complicated. Old people simply don't hold the same value that they once did to society as I explained. The break down of the family unit means lots and lots of people have limited contact with elderly people. Since nobody I know lives with their parents anymore I can literally go weeks if not months without coming into contact with anybody over the age of fifty. Bot correctly points out that a lot of times they seem to think that because they can tell you where they were when WWII ended or when man first stepped on the moon that qualifies them for any more respect than any random person I see and it does not. CASE FUCKING CLOSED.

Nothing more need be said, ding dong, the conversation is dead.

You're welcome to shut your fucking face if you like but otherwise I'll politely remind you that I am not the one to back down, certainly not from someone so ignorant.

I'm not just a color but it is an important an unavoidable part of who and what I am. It's not something that I can turn off. I can pretend to be nice and sweet. I can pretend I honestly give a shit about about the plight of other people, or give two shits about their opinion. However not being a shapeshifter I can't change my skin. Sorry, not my fault.

 

[rippitydoo]

if you didn't have a comprehension problem you wouldn't have said what you did. So either you're well below my inteligence, possible but not probable or you're a lying scum bag. I vote the latter.

Yes things are unfair, wrong, idiotic and we could come up with a shit ton more adjectives. Should I pretend that they are not because it offends some people?

I don't have a problem with comprehension or anything else. Clearly, you are the one with at least one problem (I suspect far more), which I believe was part of what I said in my first post in the thread.

Yes, things are unfair, & it would be idiotic & wrong to pretend otherwise, which is why I don't tell you to pretend otherwise, as I thought you already had been doing so,as you have already proven in this same thread to also fit those two adjectives.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't have a problem with comprehension or anything else. Clearly, you are the one with at least one problem (I suspect far more), which I believe was part of what I said in my first post in the thread.

Yes, things are unfair, & it would be idiotic & wrong to pretend otherwise, which is why I don't tell you to pretend otherwise, as I thought you already had been doing so,as you have already proven in this same thread to also fit those two adjectives.

Fine, you don't have a problem with comprehension. Clearly the problem is with your communication skills. Oh well. I'm unaware of any major problems I have aside from a bad habit of being too polite for too long.

Well congrats. You are capable of understanding the basics.

 

[Iceprincess12]

I shall not shove it my ass for two posts, not when it has become the primary point of the discussion. That again would make me a moron. Race, gender and religion are important parts of nearly every discussion in America because they do effect everything that happens in one way or another.

I am talking to you like a person, you simply don't like the words that are coming out of my mouth at the moment. Which is ultimately your own hang up. I have already contributed all that needs to be contributed to that conversation. It's not complicated. Old people simply don't hold the same value that they once did to society as I explained. The break down of the family unit means lots and lots of people have limited contact with elderly people. Since nobody I know lives with their parents anymore I can literally go weeks if not months without coming into contact with anybody over the age of fifty. Bot correctly points out that a lot of times they seem to think that because they can tell you where they were when WWII ended or when man first stepped on the moon that qualifies them for any more respect than any random person I see and it does not. CASE FUCKING CLOSED.

Nothing more need be said, ding dong, the conversation is dead.

You're welcome to shut your fucking face if you like but otherwise I'll politely remind you that I am not the one to back down, certainly not from someone so ignorant.

I'm not just a color but it is an important an unavoidable part of who and what I am. It's not something that I can turn off. I can pretend to be nice and sweet. I can pretend I honestly give a shit about about the plight of other people, or give two shits about their opinion. However not being a shapeshifter I can't change my skin. Sorry, not my fault.

Wow, I didn't realize that God had assigned you as the official case closer. Since that seems to be the case, this will be my last response. The rest of your post was worthless to me, I skimmed, didn't read but I do see now that it was my fault for thinking you were more than what you are. It works for you and you seem to like yourself, so have a great weekend and I will not come to play again