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[dawn_of_night]

so you suggest it??
the last time we were at the shop, i made him hold his hand out and i slapped him with it
he doesn't remember koosh toys but i sure do! i had a red and blue one!

 

[Cumference]

I can honestly say the same, but mine focused more on negotiating the family crazies in order to reach adulthood! Picture alternative healers, pagan practitioners, hellfire preachers, nudists, survivalists, born-again christians, and, well, the list goes on. And on. And on.

I want to hear more about the FUN stuff!

I think family reunions must really interesting!

 

[midwestyankee]

Back to the subject of language, at least for a moment. There's a picture thread in Fetish & Sexuality Central whose title says it's about celebrating mature women, which I take to mean women who are at least past the age of needing to pull out their driver's license to prove their age when ordering a drink. Most of the pictures do, in fact, show a lovely mature women, though not all. Thus, here's Question #1: When using the phrase "mature woman" or "mature man" strictly to describe their age (and not their psychological makeup), what's your minimum age to qualify as mature?

For 50 points, this follow-up question: What's your reaction to this sentence, "Wow, she's a hot mature." as used to respond to one of the pictures in the thread I described above?

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[Collar_N_Cuffs]

Back to the subject of language, at least for a moment. There's a picture thread in Fetish & Sexuality Central whose title says it's about celebrating mature women, which I take to mean women who are at least past the age of needing to pull out their driver's license to prove their age when ordering a drink. Most of the pictures do, in fact, show a lovely mature women, though not all. Thus, here's Question #1: When using the phrase "mature woman" or "mature man" strictly to describe their age (and not their psychological makeup), what's your minimum age to qualify as mature?

For 50 points, this follow-up question: What's your reaction to this sentence, "Wow, she's a hot mature." as used to respond to one of the pictures in the thread I described above?

#1. Hmmmmm... 35, but that's arbitrary. I have no idea why It might have something to do with approaching an iffy age for a woman to have kids? I'm afraid I don't bother trying to analyse my impressions much.

Bonus: Ok, I have my suspicions on what answer you may be trying to pull here, but my first reaction would be - That's way too technical for porn. Either you like it, or you don't

 

[midwestyankee]

I don't really use the word mature I think to use someone's physical appearance. I'll try and pay attention. I do know G thinks its funny that in my mind 'middle aged' is 35 because its half three score and ten. I would call no one else middle aged at that age as I recognise its both biologically and socially inappropriate, its just it sort of makes me feel better about things in an odd way.


My reaction to 'hot' is not that positive, let alone mature. But I recognise its meant complimentarily. Its important not to get prickly over things meant well even if not favourite or socially desired language. I'm not far enough over my half way though bench mark, nor 'hawt' enough to have it said but my reaction would be ....sad.

Good points, all the way around. My own definition of "middle age" shifted quite a bit during my forties and fifties. I think at this point that 64 probably isn't middle-aged.

 

[midwestyankee]

#1. Hmmmmm... 35, but that's arbitrary. I have no idea why It might have something to do with approaching an iffy age for a woman to have kids? I'm afraid I don't bother trying to analyse my impressions much.

Bonus: Ok, I have my suspicions on what answer you may be trying to pull here, but my first reaction would be - That's way too technical for porn. Either you like it, or you don't

Thirty five works for me, too. As for the bonus point, it's important to see that the context here is strictly physical appearance. No porn involved. Actually, my irritation comes from the use of "mature" as a categorical noun, in the style of "emo," "BBW," or "redhead."

For any woman who considers herself to be of a mature age, how would you react to being termed "a mature?"

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[Collar_N_Cuffs]

Thirty five works for me, too. As for the bonus point, it's important to see that the context here is strictly physical appearance. No porn involved. Actually, my irritation comes from the use of "mature" as a categorical noun, in the style of "emo," "BBW," or "redhead."

For any woman who considers herself to be of a mature age, how would you react to being termed "a mature?"

Wow, we agree on something?
As to "mature"as a categorical noun, I understand what you are saying. I assumed there was some element of sexiness involved, as the posts are occurring here on Lit, and given the thread subject. How would you categorize, then? Because without categorizations, the internet gets... muddled So, perhaps a necessary "evil".

 

[desertslave]

Thirty five works for me, too. As for the bonus point, it's important to see that the context here is strictly physical appearance. No porn involved. Actually, my irritation comes from the use of "mature" as a categorical noun, in the style of "emo," "BBW," or "redhead."

For any woman who considers herself to be of a mature age, how would you react to being termed "a mature?"

Hmm. My age makes me mature, my size makes me BBW, my newly reacquired color makes me redhead.

But who I AM is Master's adoring slave and wife, mom, artist, musician, not particularly mature in behavior, an abundant sense of humor, and I have green eyes.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[SpunThings]

Back to the subject of language, at least for a moment. There's a picture thread in Fetish & Sexuality Central whose title says it's about celebrating mature women, which I take to mean women who are at least past the age of needing to pull out their driver's license to prove their age when ordering a drink. Most of the pictures do, in fact, show a lovely mature women, though not all. Thus, here's Question #1: When using the phrase "mature woman" or "mature man" strictly to describe their age (and not their psychological makeup), what's your minimum age to qualify as mature?

For 50 points, this follow-up question: What's your reaction to this sentence, "Wow, she's a hot mature." as used to respond to one of the pictures in the thread I described above?

I have no clue how old I'd think of as "mature" in that context. Probably someone you couldn't call a "young lady". I think what bothers me about "Wow, she's a hot mature." and my impression of the discussion you're referring to is that it reeks of objectification. I don't like extreme objectification, and this kind of language I think makes it easy to dehumanize the people in the photos and just see a body.

 

[quietlylooking]

Back to the subject of language, at least for a moment. There's a picture thread in Fetish & Sexuality Central whose title says it's about celebrating mature women, which I take to mean women who are at least past the age of needing to pull out their driver's license to prove their age when ordering a drink. Most of the pictures do, in fact, show a lovely mature women, though not all. Thus, here's Question #1: When using the phrase "mature woman" or "mature man" strictly to describe their age (and not their psychological makeup), what's your minimum age to qualify as mature?

For 50 points, this follow-up question: What's your reaction to this sentence, "Wow, she's a hot mature." as used to respond to one of the pictures in the thread I described above?

I suppose as I get older, I would like to think that the age that qualifies for mature is something I am still asymptotically approaching. But alas, I fear I have reached it.

I would consider a woman or man to be "mature" at 50. But I realize I'm only kidding myself, right?

My reaction to the phrase "wow, she's a hot mature": I don't really like it (unless it is said about me, of course ).

 

[Curious_in_Cali]

I don't think age has much to do with maturity at all. I wonder if this is just a genre that says wrinkles, silver, salt, and pepper are more likely or even expected?

I like to think of wrinkles as the places our bodies fold to create the lines to record our stories on when the brain starts to run out of space. Or maybe, wrinkles write the lines of maturity because it is when we release the nervousness and maybes of youth to allow our actual and genuine selves and stories show.

 

[midwestyankee]

Its not nice to be 'a' anything like that, even if well meant. I really dislike the use of 'female' in this way too, and there is nothing derogatory, its an inherently neutral word. But ' that's a fine female' or 'any female who' or use of female when the word 'woman' is sort for ( I have similar objections to the word lady, but less so).

But people don't mean to be derogatory in most cases. Its just become a way of language that captures how we can be self serving and thoughtless towards others, just serving our opinions. I think men face it too.

I agree completely on the use of the word "female" as it seems to be a linguistic tic that signals objectification. And it's entirely possible that many of those who use it this way are not even aware that they are doing so. My take on "a mature" in this case is that it is being used similarly.

Wow, we agree on something?
As to "mature"as a categorical noun, I understand what you are saying. I assumed there was some element of sexiness involved, as the posts are occurring here on Lit, and given the thread subject. How would you categorize, then? Because without categorizations, the internet gets... muddled So, perhaps a necessary "evil".

Apparently so. I would think that remarking on such a picture with something like "Wow, she's a really hot-looking woman." ought to be sufficient and accurate.

Hmm. My age makes me mature, my size makes me BBW, my newly reacquired color makes me redhead.

But who I AM is Master's adoring slave and wife, mom, artist, musician, not particularly mature in behavior, an abundant sense of humor, and I have green eyes.

Then you shall be our forum's resident green-eyed lady.

I have no clue how old I'd think of as "mature" in that context. Probably someone you couldn't call a "young lady". I think what bothers me about "Wow, she's a hot mature." and my impression of the discussion you're referring to is that it reeks of objectification. I don't like extreme objectification, and this kind of language I think makes it easy to dehumanize the people in the photos and just see a body.

Exactly. My take has been that the people who use terms like "a mature" might not even be aware that they're objectifying women in the process - probably because that's how their world view skews and they can't see that it does.

I suppose as I get older, I would like to think that the age that qualifies for mature is something I am still asymptotically approaching. But alas, I fear I have reached it.

I would consider a woman or man to be "mature" at 50. But I realize I'm only kidding myself, right?

My reaction to the phrase "wow, she's a hot mature": I don't really like it (unless it is said about me, of course ).

I'd love to be asymptotically approaching middle age, still, but I think I've jumped the curve on that one. I love that phrase, by the way. So perfectly matched to its purpose here.

I don't think age has much to do with maturity at all. I wonder if this is just a genre that says wrinkles, silver, salt, and pepper are more likely or even expected?

I like to think of wrinkles as the places our bodies fold to create the lines to record our stories on when the brain starts to run out of space. Or maybe, wrinkles write the lines of maturity because it is when we release the nervousness and maybes of youth to allow our actual and genuine selves and stories show.

I'm not sure, really, if there's anything like a standard definition of the category. Not, at least, in the same way that there is for other similar ones. Because it's men who generally create these categories, I sense that very young men look at a woman of 30 and think "mature" but I view them as still open to being called "young lady."

 

[nurseclynn]

I completely understand the above stated objection to any phrasing that tends to more objectify than describe... however even that can be pretty subjective depending on the sensitivity of the person reading/ being described...
The question I think was about where in the life timeline "mature" might fall, irreguardless of the hotness of the particular woman (or am I mistaken, MWY?)

That being said, I described myself as "mature" on my profile... (just turned 50 thank you very much)... in part because I feel that way...and because I did not want to interest anyone who might be looking for 35 and younger...this does not mean I dont feel young at heart...I do... and...I still get f****g carded half the time I buy booze (really???)...
I would posit that mature is not exactly the same thing as middle age...certainly is not equivalent to "old" but is a recognition of a certain amount of life experience... maturity...
and a reasonable adjective to add to my long brown hair, now highlighted with strands of silver, my hazel eyes and generous curves.
Its okay with me if you call me mature...I am. I earned it.

 

[midwestyankee]

I completely understand the above stated objection to any phrasing that tends to more objectify than describe... however even that can be pretty subjective depending on the sensitivity of the person reading/ being described...
The question I think was about where in the life timeline "mature" might fall, irreguardless of the hotness of the particular woman (or am I mistaken, MWY?)

That being said, I described myself as "mature" on my profile... (just turned 50 thank you very much)... in part because I feel that way...and because I did not want to interest anyone who might be looking for 35 and younger...this does not mean I dont feel young at heart...I do... and...I still get f****g carded half the time I buy booze (really???)...
I would posit that mature is not exactly the same thing as middle age...certainly is not equivalent to "old" but is a recognition of a certain amount of life experience... maturity...
and a reasonable adjective to add to my long brown hair, now highlighted with strands of silver, my hazel eyes and generous curves.
Its okay with me if you call me mature...I am. I earned it.

Thanks for weighing in here. Even though I was already in high school when a 50-year old was born, I think 50 is a reasonable place to consider oneself mature. Now, the question is this: on the (probably ludicrous) assumption that you post a nude picture of yourself here at Lit, how do you think you would respond if some guy commented, "She's a hot mature"?

Maybe this is an ok place to ask if any of the women here respond positively to the term MILF (or its analog GILF)?

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[SpunThings]

Thanks for weighing in here. Even though I was already in high school when a 50-year old was born, I think 50 is a reasonable place to consider oneself mature. Now, the question is this: on the (probably ludicrous) assumption that you post a nude picture of yourself here at Lit, how do you think you would respond if some guy commented, "She's a hot mature"?

Maybe this is an ok place to ask if any of the women here respond positively to the term MILF (or its analog GILF)?

As much as I am bothered by impersonal objectification, for some reason the term MILF is a positive one for me. I found it quite odd when I was younger (before I became a Mom). However, now that I am a Mom and quite comfortable in my sexuality I feel like we need more positive expressions of mothers as sexual beings. I mean that's how most of us became mothers in the first place!

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[SpunThings]

Maybe its partly unconsciously my childlessness that impacts on my perception of it? I genuinely don't know. I'd perhaps extend the idea that all women of middle age plus might benefit from more positive expression. Or maybe just all women who don't meet some ideals....disability etc.

Yes, I think you're probably right. I would probably still be skeeved out by it if I didn't have kids. I used to think that people who used it were just being weird, and a little gross. Now my repsonse is: You're fucking right I'm sexy damn it.

 

[SpunThings]

Maybe its partly unconsciously my childlessness that impacts on my perception of it? I genuinely don't know. I'd perhaps extend the idea that all women of middle age plus might benefit from more positive expression. Or maybe just all women who don't meet some ideals....disability etc.

OK so I'm not in any way implying that you think Moms can't be sexy. I recognize that you're just weirded out by the term.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[midwestyankee]

Interesting responses, so far. Thanks.

Unlike a lot of men in my age bracket, I am not overtly attracted to much younger women. Sure, I can appreciate the youth-beauty of a 20-something, but I'm much more likely to be moved by the sexiness of a woman thirty years her senior who is comfortable in her own skin and smiles because she's happy with her place in life and the world. Evidence of a few miles on her odometer changes nothing.

The very best sex of my life - bar none - was with a partner who became a grandmother shortly after we began our relationship. The very worst was with women in my own age group back when I was in my twenties. Granted, I've a bit more skill and knowledge now than I did then, but at that age sex seemed experimental, something you did because it was forbidden, and not a natural expression of desire and caring.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]