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[Jay_P]

http://erlc.com/article/are-christians-hypocritical-on-weddings-and-conscience-protection


Another take on it.

 

[wallyrutherford]

edited

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Right on, GPLockwood...

You know all you guys and girls... Lockwood can write a mean erotic story. Just thought I'd mention that.

 

[GPLockwood]

Right on, GPLockwood...

You know all you guys and girls... Lockwood can write a mean erotic story. Just thought I'd mention that.

Thank you, Desire! I'm flattered. I'm still getting to know the ladies and gentlemen of this fine establishment.

 

[wallyrutherford]

English Lady, you receive my IM?

 

[zacdaniels1]

DO YOU WANT MONEY, LOVE AND HAPPINESS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2p3Ck_JaKs&feature=youtu.be

 

[DanielBoone]

Good one!

 

[AMoveableBeast]

This is such an interesting thread. Just marvelous, really.

I grew up extremely religious. As I aged, I quickly found that to interact with members of my church, I had to hide such a huge part of myself. Never one to find solace in partial acceptance, I eventually distanced myself. If more people in my church had been like those represented in this thread, perhaps I wouldn't have done that. It is a sweet and uplifting thought, if twenty years too late.

 

[dondd]

Christian Linda In London: virgin girl's "introduction" to sex....

http://www.literotica.com/s/christian-linda-in-london

The author isn't a Christian, but in this story, he describes how he took a Christian girl's innocence.
I enjoy reading it and gain new understandings each time I read it.

The first time I read it, I thought the player, Peter, who took the sweet innocent Christian girl's virginity was the "bad guy" in the story. He only wanted one thing and dumped Linda after spending a few nights fucking her, in all sorts of positions and "introducing" the naive Christian woman to the world of sex and dating.
(It's unfortunate her BC failed because his spermy pagan cum made her a mommy).

But re-reading, I see the Christian virgin really wanted to get fucked and wanted her first time to be from someone like Peter who knew what he was doing instead of the virgin guy she would likely later marry.

Longstretch is very detail describing how he first entered her pussy:

"Linda, please guide me into you. You can help me by bringing my cock there. Together we'll do this."

I tried guiding myself into her, but it was her hand that made it happen. She pushed my hand away and took over. The head of my cock was almost inside when she pulled back.
........
"Now let's keep on going, I want to do it all."
We had the head fully inside when she stopped me again by pushing against my hips.
"No more now, please, Peter."

Before I could to pull out, she changed her mind and grabbed my buttocks, pulling me forward, taking much of my cock inside.
"Push hard, now, Peter, push, go all the way!" she ordered. I knew that I had broken through when she said "uhhh" twice.
"There, it's done, Peter, now push all the way into me."

I like her forward action, grabbing his behind & "forcing" his forehead to burst her hymen.

Can see her telling him:
"Put it in, Peter. I'm so horny and God, I want you. Please, fuck me with your huge cock.
Show this Christian girl what it means to love..."

The nonChristian man he is, Peter is only too willing to carnally push into her and begin his thrusts, showing her what's superior and she shows him what's most important in her life.
Soon, after feeling the gyrations of her pussy match the passionate movement his pagan penis and enjoying all the new sensations he gives her, his pagan cum shoots into her, forever "sealing" their connection.

Though her pussy was initially tight, after he bursts her "innocent" hymen, she finds she enjoys having his heathen cock in her and doesn't want him to stop
"... oh, Jesus," she moans as Peter supplies all her needs.

If I were in that situation, with a Christian virgin, I'd rub my penis up against her clit, up and down, but not go in (yet). While doing that, would suck her boobs to get her even more wet and begin to slowly move it in... making it clear what I wanted...



***

I like what LongStretch attributes the Christian girl telling him, after she let his forehead burst her holy hymen:

"I owe you a deep apology, Peter. I did something with you that I hadn't planned, was not brought up to do ever, and loved every second of.
I've prayed and prayed over my behavior, but I haven't gotten an answer. God doesn't always speak directly, of course, but I was so hoping for permission or rebuke.
I've always known I was a sinner, of course, we all are. But I haven't hurt anyone, just like I didn't hurt my professor's family. I am so uncertain.

"I went on the pill early in the summer because I thought I'd met someone special. But he wanted us to elope and start a family right away. I'm just not ready for that.
"They say pastors' kids are wild. I think that's true of me. I want this experience, even if I settle down eventually."
......
By now my cock was pretty soft and it slid slowly out of her pussy. Linda regarded it with interest. "When I stroked Tom, I saw most of his cock only when it was hard. I stroked him from the top, so that when he cummed it was on his shirt, and then his cock slid back into his pants. Afterward he would get so relaxed, but I was still excited."
........
"At first I didn't think I could do it. The second time you started in, I still wasn't sure. Then, when I asked you to stop, I suddenly thought 'no, that's dumb, do it now and be finished, put it in.' I didn't think there was going to be much more to it. I was surprised by the pain, and I'm pretty sore. It will go away, right?"
.....
The cum was all over our loins. I rose to ran a facecloth in warm water and cleaned us off.
Linda gazed down at the blood spot on the towel.
"Good-bye" I think I heard her say.

Wow. The Christian girl realized she lost her innocence.

Imagine she thought of her innocence fast departing when she saw some of her blood on his shaft after he pulled his massive cock out of her after he broke her "innocent" hymen....
The remorse didn't likely last long, however, as she climbed on top of him after he cleaned himself with a rag. They went after it even harder and she moaned constantly as Peter thrust deep into her sweet Christian pussy, which was now completely HIS...

"Are you offended if I use some 'dirty' words?"

"Peter, I'm a Christian, not a prude. You mean 'cum' and 'pussy' and 'cock' and 'clit'? No, I love them, I feel like I know something not everyone else knows. 'Fuck,' though, is just common. Can we say 'make love' or 'lovemaking' instead?"

"Would you like to make love again, Linda?"

"If you'll eat my pussy, I'll suck your cock," she replied.

Though she was a "virgin," during those intimate moments of her first time, as Peter caressed her and held her close after breaking her hymen and thrusting passionately into her "innocent" pussy, the Christian girl seemed to know a lot about sex...

"Praise Him, you opened the door," she said. "I don't really know what I would have done if you didn't answer." She wrapped her arms around my neck and kissed me deeply.
.....
"I've never lied outside my father's house, Peter. What am I doing for carnality, where are my morals? Am I headed to hell because of this? I can't give you up, I can't let my past control my future, but at what price?"
....
"The Lord doesn't keep count of individual sins, Peter. It's the sinning you answer for. That is real comfort to me. Two days together will do a lot for me. Oh, you don't know how I have wanted to be here with you."

The visualization of what Linda, the devout Christian girl, was thinking of as she explored Peter's cock, as he ate her "innocent" vagina and as he moved his big pagan cock into her pussy really gets me going -- & makes me wish I was in Peter's position !!!

 

[robertreams]

Please believe I am not being snide when I ask: How can you be Christian (with a capital C and read and write porn and jack off and suck...etc, etc, etc? I ask for many reaons, but one important one is i think I could make my son's marriage a lot happierif I cold tell him how to reconcile these two area of life?

 

[big9000]

Please believe I am not being snide when I ask: How can you be Christian (with a capital C and read and write porn and jack off and suck...etc, etc, etc? I ask for many reaons, but one important one is i think I could make my son's marriage a lot happierif I cold tell him how to reconcile these two area of life?

Hi, I am not a captial C christian, but i grew up in a very strict home and community and i know my way around the writings, norms and way of life.
So if you want to listen to me, fine, if not, fine
I think you should emphasise the worth of interperetation. Many people are stuck in the beliefe that the writings in the bible are suppose to be lived up to 100% litteraly. However, as a fact, Christ himself had more beliefe in respect for all, love for everyman and the good in people, despite many of them being either thieves, whores, heretics or great sinners.

As i see these days, many condem christians because of this, they dont see that being nice and good is actually the essence of christianity.

And to get to the point, why is exploring your body a sin? In all my years of life and learning I dont see a 100% accuratly valid point that is made in the christian writings that concerns this in a negative way.

Also, why is it wrong to be intimate in any way with others?

Some might point out that the likes of Paul and other (rather ultra concervatives) states several things concerning this, but i dont see Christ himself mentioning so much about these things. Also, many of the points made about body, sexuality, genderpolitics and such are based on the society and time they lived in, rather than the society we have today. I would much rather believe in Jesus than st.paul if you know what i mean. Loving everyman for what he is worth is a far better attribute than judging women for speaking up, homosexuals just because, and the way people dresses becuase some guy thinks its wrong...

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Well, if someone bought a copy watch made in China (mind you some are pretty good these days!) they would not, presumably, insist it was really the same thing as a Rolex or Tudor or Lacroix or something genuine.

Similarly, the brand 'Christianity' is very common but hardly any of it bears much relationship to the actual words and life of the person recorded in accepted source texts as 'Jesus Christ.'

Church or what is known as canon morality, is a body of principles thought about by a succession of powerful religious leaders and then proffered to their organised and regulated followers and supporters - these principles are intended to be in harmony with what such leaders believe or understand god's rules to be. We need not doubt their sincerity despite the potential for the self-interest of the organisation itself to be a strong motivation for some of the rules.

Yet, what is the meaning of the denotation: 'a Christian?'

You will find widely, expressions similar to the sentiment contained in the lit story about the virgin: 'I prayed to god and asked god but god didn't reply, sometimes he doesn't do that immediately...'

Yes he does though.

1. The Christian 'son of god,' i.e. Jesus is Truth itself; one could possibly try approaching god with the truth with one's questions. 'I like sex/I like to, want to, f-u-c-k. What sayest you?'

God's answer: Jesus was sent as a man, complete and similar to all other men in every way.

And the next part is about 'sin...!'

2. Sin is doing bad, or more than that, doing evil. Where does the 'sex' part come in? We all know that a gun sitting in a locked cabinet is not technically 'evil' as such. Certainly, there are risks as soon as it goes into the hands of a human being. Is that the same thing then as what people generally mean when they include sex as something to do with sin? It's like a dangerous, potentially evil 'gun' coming out of a locked cabinet?

Why doesn't Jesus say clearly, sin is about sex and evil comes from sex and various sexual practices?

What Jesus talks about is lying, injustice, murder, being oppressive, and not being free.

The main problem that power-driven groups of men who are no more or less than counterfeit christians, have - is that they have no access to any divine power at all or can give no unequivocal, objectively agreed indication that what they espouse and instruct is actually a teaching of god or Jesus Christ.

On the other hand, sensible people who are Christians, are Christians because they have something material to show for following someone who actually promised such exhorbitant things.

Anyone, ANYone, who intends to be a Christian, ought to put Jesus Christ to a test of truth and form their own views upon the results.

I personally have no problem with listening to someone like Mary Magdalene claiming to have witnessed Jesus risen from the dead. I would much rather hear from her than from some woman-fearing, perhaps woman-despising egocentric and stubborn sex-denying power-hungry fellow telling me what the principles of god are or ought to be from out of his own mind.

I have no problem with Jesus having a sensual massage from a wicked woman who was alleged to have been an adulterer, and whose male followers asked of him why he loved her more than any of them.

I have a problem with males leaving women out when god did not see fit to leave Mary out of the giving of birth to someone with the power to heal the sick, raise the dead, and forgive the evil that remorseful people want to be delivered from.

I note that in the real world, it is sometimes prudent to steer a ship away from a storm, rather than to challenge it head on on account of some desire to prove superhuman powers through the use of somebody else's fames.

The Christian perspective is not much more than 'do unto others et cetera' but with the attached idea that 'god also recommends that is a good way to behave.'

I would not expect anyone to 'believe' that 'god says' anything unless they have personal proof that such a god exists and exchanges some earnesty with them.

Jesus Christ's words were that 'god is very near to you, inside your heart and your mind.'

And that, frankly, is more than enough proof for me when it comes to me personally - but that is only because I do have an exceptional mind... And I regularly ask many people to bow down before the god within my mind. But alas, most of them do not!

lol.

I shall smite them a mighty blow though come some day soon no doubt.

; )

 

[Hypoxia]

Fun thing about Xianity is that anyone who wants can label themselves XIAN, and who's to naysay? Are a near-infinite variety of Xian creeds, cults, sects. Are based on a huge set of self-contradictory texts, no single subset of which are considered canonical by all who call themselves Xian. Are also based on non-biblical texts and oral traditions that may have very little connexion with biblical texts. Believers are free to pick-and-choose among a varied menu of possibilities, doctrines, rules. And anyone can denounce as HERETICS all those whose belief details differ slightly. Yes, Xianity is very entertaining, when seen from a safe distance.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

In response to Hypoxia:

Where the main - and important - disagreements among Xtians occurs in my view, is in the definition or definitions of 'sin.'

To me it is much more interesting to enquire about this obvious juxtaposition between erotic thinking and extreme sexual practice, and the common narrative of Christian morality.

Whether one cares to validate or invalidate the actual religion in any of its forms is something available for people to do as they will, indeed...

...but the really piquant things lie in the fact that one cannot say with any kind of reliability at all that there is or ever has been anything in any actual recounted words of Jesus Christ that mixes up sex with sin. It is only an ignorant, puritanical, Moses-era simple-mindedness that leads to all of this anti-sexual nonsense. It is precisely what Jesus Christ preached AGAINST.

I have heard all of the arguments from ideologues and dogmaticists, especially those in which they quote this or that text. These never stand up to scrutiny to someone who knows the texts and is highly literate. Not a single one of them. Not even when espoused by the great modern Christian apologists for standard church-taught morality like Ravi Zacharias or Gregory Hesse.

And I challenge anyone to bring one of the apostolic-era Christian texts - any of them - that appears to be against sex or some aspect of sex and that equates sex or sexuality with 'sin,' and I will shred them in front of your eyes with the most straightforward logic and expose those misapprehensions completely.

See people just plain don't want to accept or understand the challenges of Christ: let me paraphrase for the present day - anyone who wants to stone this gay person (for example), let him who has never had a gay thought, or never entertained the image of two good-looking lesbians, who never saw a porn movie and masturbated, let him cast the first stone.

Sure, you might be hit by one or two stones, because there will always be ONE or TWO cretins around the place...

But you ain't gonna die by the whole entire crowd pretending they were all holier than thou!

THAT, is the message of Christ as far as this subject goes.

Did I speak with Jesus face to face today to get approval on this? Maybe. I don't remember though 'cause I fell asleep waiting behind George Bush to get an audience.

 

[lovecraft68]

The simple definition of sin for a Christian is this.

"Anything you do that I do not approve of is sin."

with the underlying explanation of.

'I need to make myself feel as if I am part of something, therefore I find like minded ignorant fools with whom I can fit in with by mocking those different from me." and part two "I have these secret desires, but am ashamed so in order to steer suspicion from me I will crusade against it.

"Christians" are more judgmental than racists. Oh, wait, no, they are the same because that is the mentality they have.

Lemming like cockroaches that travel in packs and try to destroy anything different from them.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Yeah but that's the same as anything involving groups of people banding together - football supporters, political parties.

People are extremely good at twisting things and messing around with ideas and claiming philosophies and ideas and giving to themselves 'rank and status' as it were - when they're not really entitled to do it.

Religious philosophies are a political reality in the West, in the Sub-Continent, in the Arab and Middle Eastern and a lot of the Far Eastern World. All kinds of 'common' dogmatic ideologies exist across most human societies which impose, especially, sexual ethics and morals on people - this is not confined to Western Christianity of course.

Bigoted attitudes are everywhere, not just in Christian religious groups.

Criticising mainstream Christians is all very well - and it is far from being invalid a thing to do due to the attitudes of most of these types and their groups - but, it sort of blindly cuts off any deeper discussion about sex and sexuality in terms of larger philosophy! I mean to say, bigots are intolerant, prudish, unrealistic, puritanical, irrational; okay. But that doesn't tell you anything about actual Christianity - it tells us what we all already know about bigots.

You might as well say, how can bigots write and watch porn, suck cocks, toss off, masturbate, fuck multiple partners and have gay sex et cetera - and be bigots at the same time?

Well... they can't.

Unless they are hypocritical bigots!! : ) lovl.

 

[8letters]

Please believe I am not being snide when I ask: How can you be Christian (with a capital C and read and write porn and jack off and suck...etc, etc, etc? I ask for many reaons, but one important one is i think I could make my son's marriage a lot happierif I cold tell him how to reconcile these two area of life?

To me, the most important thing a Christian can do is to make their marriage strong. Lots of reasons why that I won't go into. For the more conservative Christians, strengthening marriage is all about denying that we are sexual animals. If you look at the statistics, that doesn't work. Masturbation to porn is a requirement for most guys to keep them happy in their marriage. I'd be divorced if I didn't masturbate to porn. To me, the key is not to adopt the attitude in porn towards women. It's fine to masturbate to a story that has a man cheating on his wife as long as that doesn't lead you to want to cheat on your wife. At the same time, Christians shouldn't adopt the attitudes in entertainment on many, many topics. The show "24" wasn't a demonstration of Christian ethics.

 

[JKendallDane]

Please believe I am not being snide when I ask: How can you be Christian (with a capital C and read and write porn and jack off and suck...etc, etc, etc? I ask for many reaons, but one important one is i think I could make my son's marriage a lot happierif I cold tell him how to reconcile these two area of life?

God works in mysterious ways...and as He tells us, in ways we cannot fathom an understanding of.

Allow me to take your question a couple steps further into the "you gotta be kidding" territory:

I am not only a Christian, but also one that happens to be gay. In spite of what the screeching fundies say, we DO exist and do so in perfect harmony with God.

I not only write erotically charged stories, but I also will often insert a certain amount of spirituality into them...sometimes very subtle and sometimes very matter-of-factly. So far, the readers have responded positively to it.

Sexuality and Christianity are not mutually exclusive terms except in the most oppressive sects and denominations.

 

[JLCC]

I hate doing massive quotes. Sorry.

First off... Wow. A thread I though I'd never see here, though I was involved with a very devout woman who wrote erotica. Never read any of it.

Now, here I am, a more than middle-aged guy who has struggled with faith for many years. I still have a faith but abandoned the church, which I'll talk about in a bit.

I endured a mostly sexless marriage for 20+ years. During the tail end, I started having my own awakening about the wrongness of Christian teaching on sex. Even when they celebrated sex, they did it wrong.

Through that awakening, I developed a very dirty mind and it started to come out with girlfriends (after divorce). I'd write them stories to a) get them horny and b) give them ideas.

My abandoning the church had a lot of roots in this depressing story below. The modern church demonizes men and seeks to remove their masculinity. Many men don't know how to deal with it, BTDT, and are conflicted by what they are being told and their very nature. Men are expected to be the heads, but the default authority goes to the woman. Men are chastised, women are celebrated.

That, in a nutshell, is what drove me away.

But I still believe.

[Please don't read if you're looking for a light and cheery post, or a post about sex.]

I heard this quote on my local Christian radio station, so I bought the book and thought I'd air it here...

A large, silent group of men are convinced that their family would be better off without them. A pastor in California recently told me that he had two calls the previous week from men who confided that exact feeling to him. They both independently said, "Pastor, I just feel my family would be better off financially, emotionally -- in pretty much every way -- if I weren't here." The pastor knew "if I weren't here" meant "if I were dead." He said that this wasn't the only time he'd heard these words. In fact, he hears them all the time, and each man who shares these feelings thinks he is the only one who feels that way.

Would your wife and kids exchange you for enough money to solve their current financial problems? Do you ever feel the people around you would be better off if you quietly stepped away? I have stopped being amazed at the number of men who feel this way, or who feel restless or off course. But what does amaze me is how men can hide their feelings so effectively behind their words and appearance. How can feelings so widespread, so pervasive, and so destructive lie just beneath the surface of so many men, and yet go undetected by their friends and family?

From "Restless Journey" by Marcus Ryan (Harvest House, 2006, p. 19)​

I think this is a powerful quote that deserves a thorough solution in a much better book. (Ryan's book has some good parts, but I am only lukewarm about it as a whole.) Can anyone suggest a book that does this well?

I think that formulating the questions in the second paragraph is a good way to see that the answer is an unequivocal NO! (It seems to me that not putting them so directly lets the bad feelings simmer without being confronted.)

Not that I should rely on popular culture for my examples, but a show I recently saw seemed to hammer this point home to me. A (male) city counselor was attacked and raped by his attacker. He struggled with shame and eventually hunted down the attacker vigilante-style. Afterward, he tried to commit suicide by getting a pursuing cop to shoot him, then aiming the gun at himself when that didn't work. The cop talked him out of it with a confrontation like this: "If you're the kind of man who thinks that blowing his head off is the brave thing to do, then maybe you're right - your son would be better off without you."

(Sorry if I bummed anyone out, but I thought that if so many Christian men feel this way, perhaps it needs discussing.)
-curl

 

[curl4ever]

I hate doing massive quotes. Sorry.

First off... Wow. A thread I though I'd never see here, though I was involved with a very devout woman who wrote erotica. Never read any of it.

Now, here I am, a more than middle-aged guy who has struggled with faith for many years. I still have a faith but abandoned the church, which I'll talk about in a bit.

I endured a mostly sexless marriage for 20+ years. During the tail end, I started having my own awakening about the wrongness of Christian teaching on sex. Even when they celebrated sex, they did it wrong.

Through that awakening, I developed a very dirty mind and it started to come out with girlfriends (after divorce). I'd write them stories to a) get them horny and b) give them ideas.

My abandoning the church had a lot of roots in this depressing story below. The modern church demonizes men and seeks to remove their masculinity. Many men don't know how to deal with it, BTDT, and are conflicted by what they are being told and their very nature. Men are expected to be the heads, but the default authority goes to the woman. Men are chastised, women are celebrated.

That, in a nutshell, is what drove me away.

But I still believe.

Wow. I never thought I'd see a post of mine from 2006 resurfacing, quoted in your post of today.

My heart goes out to you, man.

In case you want an update on me...
My almost-sexless marriage is approaching 30 years.
I think the church has tried hard to think about sex and has not always done a good job. (That's the diplomatic version.)
I still believe, and I am still part of a church.
I am looking forward to reading your stories, but it will probably take a few days until I get past some deadlines and have a bit of time.
I think I'm in an overall better mental state than I was in 2006 - some things are much clearer, some things are getting crazier, but I think I'll get through it. (Dealing with the sleep deprivation of 2006 was a huge first step. Recognizing some of my emotional triggers was a very recent huge second step.)

Feel free to contact me by PM if you ever want to chat over a virtual beer - share war stories, bitch about life, whatever strikes your fancy.

- curl

 

[XXXHacker]

This is an interesting thread. I'm single, so not in the same situation as the last few posters, but I got burnt out as a high school and college aged male having the church treat me like a sex-crazed monster. I haven't abandoned the church, but I have been having sex whenever I can and just hiding it from my Christian friends. I don't know if I'm ever going to find a Christian woman to marry who has the same views of sex as I do.

 

[JLCC]

Hey curl
It was luck of the draw. I came upon this thread for the first time read the first page. I was pleasantly surprised at the upbeat tone. Clicked to the last numbered page and there you were. It struck a chord obviously and I felt like speaking my mind.

Then I get to this page, and much as I expected, the Christian haters have come out. Oh well, free country blablabla.

I'll ping ya some time.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

If you want to know about god study god. If you want to know about sex, study sex.

Better still though, try to know about human beings...

By understanding about, human beings, you will be able to soon discern between those who desire and need to be in groups, those who want to hold power over you, and those who have an objective mind about things and therefore are genuinely able to discover whatever is really true as opposed to what is just 'conventional wisdom' - and along the way, you will certainly discover women, if that's what you are looking for, with valuable ethical and moral standards as well as genuine sexual wisdom.

And I would make a huge distinction between women - and people generally - who have a conventional mindset about Christianity, and those with a much deeper set of ideas about it.

The real relevance of Christianity to humans at all is that in this religious canon, god became a man and lived as a man among other men - and therefore does have a complete and authentic grasp of the human condition.

Such a god, were it to really exist, will therefore know and understand the human desire for sex.

The only real question for authentic Christians, is where does the morally neutral actions of human sex and sexuality cross over into intentions and actions that are spiritually, physically, and intellectually malicious to oneself and to others.

As far as moral codes go, Christianity is widely accepted as a very strong humanistic creed, but where people have resistance is about the 'magical,' 'voodoo' wish-fulfilling miraculous dimension of the narrative; but then, in reality these stories are in support of the idea that Jesus Christ either was god, or at least sufficient of a divine aspect embodied that he was entitled to do what 'a god' is commonly understood to be able to do.

Even scientists may have discussions over what the proper definitions of 'a god' should be though, and over just what such a sentient entity may be able to do or what the real meaning of 'unlimited power' is in terms of the known universe of time, matter, and energy.

Some scientists say 'god' cannot exist, but 'cannot' is not a scientific term. The frame of reference is significant in such discussions.

Within interpersonal relationships, moral conduct is an obvious fact with obvious consequences that even scientists would be well advised to accept is a real thing.

 

[Hypoxia]

No qualification exam exists for awarding the label 'Christian'. Anyone who wants to call themselves that is free to do so. Anyone may interpret biblical texts however they wish, to justify any favored prejudices and priorities. Thus, no universal standard of 'Christian' thought and behavior exists. Self-styled believers may range across a total spectrum of attitudes from anarchist to authoritarian, licentious to locked-down, pacifist to genocidal -- whatever. Believers do not all share the same morals and mores, may indeed hold quite contradictory standards and still consider themselves good 'Christians', and may happily attack, enslave, and/or slaughter those who don't quite agree with them, because those opponents obviously aren't GOOD Christians, eh?

It's not only Christianity, of course. The Judeo-Xian-Muslim monotheisms (although the Christian Trinity looks like polytheism to Muslims) are riddled with antagonistic sects. That's the nature of monotheism -- theologies fracture; each splinter group develops its own heresies and schisms; dissidents suffer. What points of agreement can be reached between Christian-Identity racists, Quaker liberals, Church-Of-The-Naked-Jesus nudists, and (I hear they're big in Brazil) Jesus-Was-An-Alien UFO cults? And don't even talk about sex with Shakers -- they don't believe in it.

 

[Katiecat]

Wow, Hypoxia...you seem to have some rather strong opinions about Christians, and none of those opinions appear to be very positive. I'm sorry if none of your interactions with Christians have been good experiences. I do assure you, I have no intention of attacking, enslaving, or slaughtering anyone. =)

I'm a Christian; I write erotica. I also write sci-fi, fantasy, horror, humor, and non-fiction, mostly essays on politics, religion/spirituality, and ethics. Most of my writing doesn't have a specific Christian or religious slant at all, although my values and spiritual worldview probably are evident in a lot of it.

Not every Christian sees sex as a negative thing -- a lot of us see it as a very good thing to be celebrated. Not all Christians see kinks, birth control, oral sex, anal sex, an active fantasy life, or homosexuality as sinful, either.