The Science Is Settled: Yes, Liberals Are Less Patriotic

[Busybody]

The Science Is Settled: Yes, Liberals Are Less Patriotic.

“To be less patriotic than the average American doesn’t require any elaborate backstory or exotic beliefs — it is, as a matter of fact, a standard characteristic of the typical American liberal. The survey data are clear: There is a patriotism differential between the Right and the Left. Which doesn’t mean that liberals don’t love the country in their own fashion, but their love is not reflected in old-fashioned pride in country. A Pew Research survey last year found that 46 percent of ‘steadfast conservatives’ believed that the U.S. stands above all other countries; only 11 percent of ‘solid liberals’ believed the same. Seventy-two percent of steadfast conservatives said they often feel proud to be an American; only 40 percent of solid liberals said they do.”

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No link so that we can tear apart the internals instead of the source or the thread starter.



I'll give you one post to correct that before reporting you.

 

[GirlChris]

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Just sayin'.

America is not the best country. I would like to see it be that again some day, but for now... We work toward it.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

It's all invalid.


Fucking 'Murrika haters!!!


Prolly drive Priuses, too

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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Just sayin'.

America is not the best country. I would like to see it be that again some day, but for now... We work toward it.

A_J's corollary #7, “To the New Age Liberal, the past is an indictment, the present is unjust, and the future will be perfect if and only if they establish the rules and cultural norms for current society.”

When was America the best country, in your opinion?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's all invalid.


Fucking 'Murrika haters!!!


Prolly drive Priuses, too

If they really cared about saving Gaia's World...



They should all be on bicycles.

 

[GirlChris]

A_J's corollary #7, “To the New Age Liberal, the past is an indictment, the present is unjust, and the future will be perfect if and only if they establish the rules and cultural norms for current society.”

When was America the best country, in your opinion?

In my very, very young and mostly uneducated (Freshman Uni student) opinion, I would have to say for a short period of time right after World War 2.

I am a liberal. I don't, however, think that there is any one size fits all perfect. What I personally want for the future will not work for everyone. It is not perfect. I'm just one side vying for what they want, like the other. (Personally, I think my side is slightly less restrictive, but, ya know, we have a bunch of "PC police" on our team so that isn't a universal "less restrictive".)

I'm still learning and my opinions are subject to change on a weekly basis.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

How Voltarific!!!


Coal-fired electricity . . . hmmm.


Seems the Germans will phase out the n00ks by 2020 but not the coal until 2040.


That BBC overnight show on NPR is something else, and I get to keep up with all the Engrish "footie," too.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In my very, very young and mostly uneducated (Freshman Uni student) opinion, I would have to say for a short period of time right after World War 2.

I am a liberal. I don't, however, think that there is any one size fits all perfect. What I personally want for the future will not work for everyone. It is not perfect. I'm just one side vying for what they want, like the other. (Personally, I think my side is slightly less restrictive, but, ya know, we have a bunch of "PC police" on our team so that isn't a universal "less restrictive".)

I'm still learning and my opinions are subject to change on a weekly basis.

Jim Crow

Separate everything...

Remember, listen to your professors and study your Zinn.

I have three copies of his history given to me by young Liberal Arts students trying to get my mind right.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How Voltarific!!!


Coal-fired electricity . . . hmmm.


Seems the Germans will phase out the n00ks by 2020 but not the coal until 2040.


That BBC overnight show on NPR is something else, and I get to keep up with all the Engrish "footie," too.

Iran is currently phasing in nukes.

 

[GirlChris]

Jim Crow

Separate everything...

Remember, listen to your professors and study your Zinn.

I have three copies of his history given to me by young Liberal Arts students trying to get my mind right.

Let's have a conversation here.

I have one professor who's word I value very much. He is openly queer. We recently had a conversation about some of the recent reading from class in which he expressed to me that, even though he is one of those generally marginalized individuals, he believes that sometimes it is best to shut up and pretend to be normal. That, with everyone screaming, ideas get lost in the thousands of voices. That a super individualistic approach can't be applied to everything and that there isn't always a happy medium, like I had previously believed.

I am much more liberal than this professor. I am aware that my feelings on certain matters are likely to change on a weekly basis, possibly for the rest of my life. Talking to this man has made me question nearly everything I believe. (I still don't want kids lol I haven't for the last seventeen years, so I don't think that will change any time soon) College professors get a bad rep for being liberal when really, it seems like they are just more open to new ideas and the discussion of. At least in my experience so far.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Depends.

There are liberals in CompSci and Mathematics, but they stick to the Science; they have to or lose credibility.

There are Conservatives in the soft arts, but they are shut out of the more "prestigious" Universities where those who go on to become the ruling class and its bureaucracy matriculate.

I was lucky that our economics department was dominated by a strong leaning towards the Austrian School, which unlike the Keynesian-leaning Universities, has its foundation in actual, original Liberalism, not the soft Socialism which has emanated from Europe which adopted the name Liberalism to conflate its definition with 'educated.' So a lot depends on what you think Liberalism is and what you are being taught it is.

 

[miles]

Jim Crow

Separate everything...

Remember, listen to your professors and study your Zinn.

I have three copies of his history given to me by young Liberal Arts students trying to get my mind right.

Are you there yet?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Are you there yet?

*chuckle*

I do not think so.

I know what my core philosophy is, so I do not need to change it on a regular basis.

 

[Queersetti]

The Science Is Settled: Yes, Liberals Are Less Patriotic.

“To be less patriotic than the average American doesn’t require any elaborate backstory or exotic beliefs — it is, as a matter of fact, a standard characteristic of the typical American liberal. The survey data are clear: There is a patriotism differential between the Right and the Left. Which doesn’t mean that liberals don’t love the country in their own fashion, but their love is not reflected in old-fashioned pride in country. A Pew Research survey last year found that 46 percent of ‘steadfast conservatives’ believed that the U.S. stands above all other countries; only 11 percent of ‘solid liberals’ believed the same. Seventy-two percent of steadfast conservatives said they often feel proud to be an American; only 40 percent of solid liberals said they do.”

Have you ever been to another country?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Have you ever been to another country?

New York is a whole 'nuther country...

 

[miles]

*chuckle*

I do not think so.

I know what my core philosophy is, so I do not need to change it on a regular basis.

The faster you rid yourself of that conservative head trash the safer our planet will be.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The faster you rid yourself of that conservative head trash the safer our planet will be.

Patriotism means never having to say you're sorry.

Liberalism has come to mean that you're all apologies...

What else should I be
All apologies
What else should I say
Everyone is gay
What else could I write
I don't have the right
What else should I be
All apologies

...

I wish I was like you
Easily amused
Find my nest of salt
Everything is my fault
I'll take all the blame
Aqua seafoam shame
Sunburn with freezeburn
Choking on the ashes of her enemy

 

[GirlChris]

Patriotism means never having to say you're sorry.

Liberalism has come to mean that you're all apologies...

That first part is ridiculous, the second part is, unfortunately, true.

If you can't say you're sorry and fix whatever mess you've created, you're a douchebag. If being patriotic means being a douchebag, then I guess I don't want to be patriotic. Patriotism is having pride in your country, flaunting it's good qualities and FIXING it's bad. Who are you (not you specifically, but a general 'you'; everyone, anyone) to claim that you are right just because you happened to have been born in the right country, into the right religion, with the right color skin and that your laws are perfect and shouldn't be looked at and revised and apologize to people who have been fucked (ex; black people/drug laws) by the system and CHANGE things?

What is America number one in? Incarceration rates. That's fucking it. I want to be proud of this country because I was born here and have lived here all of my life and it is what I know. But how can I be proud of a country with such shitty education, shitty healthcare, politicians being bribed, etc.?

Though, I will agree that most liberals are too apologetic. Everything is so PC and careful and oh no, you can't offend anyone. Yeah, most of us lack the backbone to stand up to conservatives with strong (and usually goofy) opinions. Possibly because we're trying too hard to make everyone happy when we can't do that.

I don't see why people can't just accept certain rights and freedoms (ex; same-sex marriage, legalization of marijuana) and just choose not to do it on their own. I don't see how making these things available to other people hurts people who don't want to do it.

 

[Busybody]

Let's have a conversation here.

, even though he is one of those generally marginalized individuals, .

he is a BS artist

he is GLORIFIED

 

[Busybody]

Have you ever been to another country?

yes, I was born in another country...a COMMIE country.....

but what difference does it make?

do I have to have been a rapist to make comments on rape? etc

the question is BULL SHIT

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do not pronounce "ridiculous" if you want to have a conversation. What passes for modern Liberalism is nothing more that the turning over of every rock to promote the basal and fundamental philosophy that pretty much everything that the White Europeans did upon discovering America was evil, akin to original sin, and the only way to deal with this is is eternal repentance and guilt, which manifests itself as Liberal white guilt. That has some small truth in it, but the greater truth is that we are not those people and we really do not have that much to apologize for having taught the world what a government founded upon true Liberalism is actually capable of achieving.

Incarceration rate is a poor measure and an emotional measure. Examine China. We have no idea how many they have incarcerated and even less idea of how many they have executed thusly relieving them from the rolls of the imprisoned.

The examination is more properly on what causes us to slip on the Liberty scale, both as individuals and as business enterprises. I would submit that the rejection of Federalism and Liberalism leads to our loss of Liberty, which is one of the essential legs of the stool that is Liberalism.

I would challenge you to define what you think Liberalism is, because to me, as stated before, if you know what your basic philosophy is, then adopting new positions on a weekly basis would probably not be an easy thing to do.

Finally, I say to you, as long as we are having a conversation, I will not be dismissing what you say with a flip remark; if I have disagreement, I will tell you why in some detail, not just to say, that's ridiculous.

 

[GirlChris]

he is a BS artist

he is GLORIFIED

Glorified how? We live in Ohio. I've been 'beaten up' (I got punched in the face and lost two teeth and, yes, I retaliated and it dissolved into a fist fight) for participating in the National Day of Silence (http://www.dayofsilence.org/resources/). I can't imagine what he went through a generation before mine.

He is respected by his students because he is kind, helpful and easy to approach. Not to mention engaging and unique.

 

[Busybody]

gaze and sundry LOONZ are gloried and HELD HOLY....normal people are derided and sued and marginalized

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We should probably have an aside to warn our young student about trying to have a conversation with Busybody because he is a fucking lunatic...



With the emphasis on *tic*