I Still want a Moderated GB

[Garnate]

Hahahaaaa Yossi.....

 

[Never]

I'm going to go with Buddha for this one: "Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and kind, they can change our world."

Or a western quote: "The pen is mightier than the sword."

I think every adult has experienced the power of words to both raise us up and to cast us down, as individuals or as a people.

 

[toubab]

Of course words aren't a good reason to get into a fight. Does that stop people? Not often. She said that's why people can get into fights and you said that wasn't true. Yet it is.

That's not exactly what was said. I've never had anyone hit me with sticks or stones, or physically aggress me in any way over words.

 

[Garnate]

That's not exactly what was said. I've never had anyone hit me with sticks or stones, or physically aggress me in any way over words.

I'm glad. You must not know many rednecks. The ones I know will beat someone to a pulp if they're looked at wrong. It's ridiculous.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

That's not exactly what was said. I've never had anyone hit me with sticks or stones, or physically aggress me in any way over words.

Would you like to be shot at because of words?

It's not sticks and stones, this is true. I know people who can tell you some great stories about being shot at because of words, a good handful of them in particular would love to keep you up all night long with gibber-gabber if they were still alive.

 

[toubab]

I'm glad. You must not know many rednecks. The ones I know will beat someone to a pulp if they're looked at wrong. It's ridiculous.

They might not want to try me. I'm not trying to come off as a badass, I'm just saying not everyone is a good target for physical abuse.

 

[toubab]

Would you like to be shot at because of words?

It's not sticks and stones, this is true. I know people who can tell you some great stories about being shot at because of words, a good handful of them in particular would love to keep you up all night long with gibber-gabber if they were still alive.

That's a major problem nowadays, especially in some communities. The solution is to teach people it's unacceptable to shoot somebody over words.

 

[yossi]

Hahahaaaa Yossi.....

It's my new favorite gif.

 

[Radiohead]

It will happen. Someday we'll have another board for general discussion and it will be fully moderated. There will be thread bans, topic bans, and even forum bans. I'll just be able to empty my ignore list.

It will be glorious.

I still want my Never

 

[eyer]

Laurel will have no choice but to severely moderate the GB...

...I say by this very day 5 years from now - at the most.

The only way it can stay the nirvana for progressives it is...

...is to fully censor-out the gale winds of opposition change which have begun to blow this way even now.

It's already a gas to watch, and it'll stay so beautiful to experience:

The self-proclaimed "tolerant" showing their totally intolerant sides, the self-proclaimed "open-minded" stifling debate to all ideas their minds reject, the self-proclaimed haters of hate speech only outlawing speech they hate, the self-proclaimed champions of "equality" freely practicing racism themselves...

...and, most of all, the day that'll dawn when Laurel herself will be quoted as saying:

I fully support free speech, but...

 

[evesdream]

I said I was multi-tasking, geeeze!

 

[Magnetron]

See, that's the thing, though. Everyone seems to think that Free Speech means people should only be allowed to say things that don't offend other people. But that's not what it means at all.

"I'm all for Free Speech, but..." means you are not Free Speech. You believe speech should be censored in a certain way. Which is fine - that is your opinion, and you have a right to that opinion - but you logically can't claim to be pro-Free Speech and also pro-censorship.

My opinion is that removing the "n-word" from our vocabulary would not magically eradicate racism from society. Words are expressions of viewpoints.

Allowing people to use hateful/bigotted/anti-social words brings these ideas out into the open, where they can be discussed and disputed and challenged and ridiculed and eventually rejected.

Censoring "hate speech" doesn't rid the world of bigotry - it only drives it underground, where it can fester.

There is no better disinfectant than sunlight.

If reading certain things annoy you, you have the ability to put the author of those things on Ignore. But realize that closing your eyes to those things does not make them not-exist.

Of course, that's just one muckity-muck's opinion. You are welcome to disagree.

It says "Free Speech, No Spam" up in the top right hand corner.

Also, one can not post certain bits of information without being penalized to varying degrees.

There isn't a single forum in Cyberspace offering 100% Freedom of Speech, The Freedom To Say Anything That Can Be Said.

 

[boomer177]

02-12-2015, 05:54 AM

Exactly.

The reality of everyone being allowed to express their opinions is that "everyone" includes a whole lot of idiots. But there's no way of only allowing non-idiotic opinions because there's no consensus on who's an idiot. If we allowed only people who no one considered an idiot to voice opinions, then no one would be allowed to speak.

And like I said, stopping people from using racial/sexist slurs doesn't make those people un-racist.

Personally I prefer that those with bigoted and stupid opinions be allowed to express them freely. It saves me time by allowing me to avoid the bigoted and the stupid.

Just because there's buckets there doesn't mean you have to drink it all. You can spoon out a select bit, or fill a glass, or just walk away.

Everyone has the right to say stuff. That doesn't mean other people have to listen, or pay any attention at all.

The world is full of idiots. The sooner we learn to coexist with annoying people by 1) accepting that they will be who they are no matter how long we spend fretting over their existence and wishing they'd change, and 2) learning to spend our time focusing on the enjoyable and interesting people all around us, the sooner we'll live more happily.

Imagine if trolls had to be insightful and fun and witty to get attention. Wouldn't that be cool?

Unfortunately, it seems like people will ignore the insightful and fun and witty - choosing instead to focus on the trolling minority. Then after giving the trolls all the attention they crave and ignoring those who contribute funnies and interesting posts, people are surprised when the trolls stay and the interesting people move on.

I will never understand this.

02-12-2015, 04:40 AM

See, that's the thing, though. Everyone seems to think that Free Speech means people should only be allowed to say things that don't offend other people. But that's not what it means at all.

"I'm all for Free Speech, but..." means you are not Free Speech. You believe speech should be censored in a certain way. Which is fine - that is your opinion, and you have a right to that opinion - but you logically can't claim to be pro-Free Speech and also pro-censorship.

My opinion is that removing the "n-word" from our vocabulary would not magically eradicate racism from society. Words are expressions of viewpoints.

Allowing people to use hateful/bigotted/anti-social words brings these ideas out into the open, where they can be discussed and disputed and challenged and ridiculed and eventually rejected.

Censoring "hate speech" doesn't rid the world of bigotry - it only drives it underground, where it can fester.

There is no better disinfectant than sunlight.

If reading certain things annoy you, you have the ability to put the author of those things on Ignore. But realize that closing your eyes to those things does not make them not-exist.

Of course, that's just one muckity-muck's opinion. You are welcome to disagree.

Laurel,

I much regret having been unaware of this thread and, in particular, your posts until now.

I do, indeed, disagree, fundamentally, and will fully reply during the coming week.

I happened upon this while taking a break from needing-to-pay-the-rent-and-quite-a-few-other-bills work.

Even Lit matters are down a rung or two from such.

boomer

P.S. I fully endorse your bid for Speaker of the House, at http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=71620256&postcount=2.

Support Laurel for Speaker, send her to DC!

 

[tactful]

It would be much better if there was a modulator, you know, to smooth things out.

 

[Queersetti]

02-12-2015, 05:54 AM


02-12-2015, 04:40 AM


Laurel,

I much regret having been unaware of this thread and, in particular, your posts until now.

I do, indeed, disagree, fundamentally, and will fully reply during the coming week.

I happened upon this while taking a break from needing-to-pay-the-rent-and-quite-a-few-other-bills work.

Even Lit matters are down a rung or two from such.

boomer

I'm looking forward to reading your views.

Unless there's something on TV. Or the ice cream truck goes by. Or it's sunny and I can just sit on the porch a while.

 

[Disgustipated]

I'm looking forward to reading your views.

Unless there's something on TV. Or the ice cream truck goes by. Or it's sunny and I can just sit on the porch a while.

Will you please send me a PM regarding what I am sure will be an insightful dissertation of how the Lit works? I'd hate to miss it.


HEY LOOK! SOMETHING SHINY!

 

[Super-Surprise]

http://41.media.tumblr.com/f674a5c8a3d3768849d7c09d4fa56880/tumblr_njo10jFh3B1tttu11o1_1280.jpg

 

[boomer177]

And "bump" wasn't even necessary!