pink pill for women?

[simplegirl]

This is more debate than a how to....

I find it interesting that there are currently no medical treatments for women's libido. There are medications to help men with erections (granted those don't help libido), but there are some available through prescription (in Canada, Yohimbe must be prescribed).

Now I know there are medications that are in the works, but the FDA shoots them down. Now don't get me wrong, I definitely want the proper studies done to ensure patient safety, but I can't help but wonder if they'll ever be approved simply because of stereotypes. Men are supposed to be virile, while if women have a healthy sex drive, they're sluts.

Your thoughts?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/fight-pink-pill-boosting-womens-sex-drive-raises/story?id=23813586

 

[oxphocker]

I think it's a much more complicated issue than just biochemistry. There are social factors (like you've mentioned), mental issues, and just differences in biology. Even if there were a biochemical solution for increasing libido that would only be a portion of the issue. Reading recently though, there has definitely been an uptrend of women being more sexually aggressive and more incidents of traditional gender role reversals. It's an interesting social phenomenon to watch.

 

[midwestyankee]

I wonder to what extent the change in the study subjects' sex lives was affected by the drug and how much was due to other factors, not least of which is the simple act of paying attention to their sexuality? I ask this only because a) I haven't read the original study and thus don't know the answer, and b) because the simple act of paying attention to what people eat can cause them to change their eating habits.

I don't doubt the possibility that there's some sexism involved in the way the FDA has handled this and similar applications. I just don't know if that's the whole explanation.

 

[simplegirl]

I do realize it's a gross simplification of a complex issue, but it certainly has me wondering, specially with certain employers in the U.S. fighting birth control coverage. (which is a whole other story!), but I find interesting socially,nonetheless.

 

[midwestyankee]

I do realize it's a gross simplification of a complex issue, but it certainly has me wondering, specially with certain employers in the U.S. fighting birth control coverage. (which is a whole other story!), but I find interesting socially,nonetheless.

I agree. The social side of this is of interest all by itself.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I wonder to what extent the change in the study subjects' sex lives was affected by the drug and how much was due to other factors, not least of which is the simple act of paying attention to their sexuality?

Double-blind controlled trials are the gold standard in pharma testing because they control for that sort of effect. Half the subjects (chosen at random) get the new drug, the other half get a control (alternate drug or placebo)*. Everything else is the same - in this case, everybody fills out a diary - and nobody, not even the researchers, knows who got which medication until after the results have been recorded.

If the change is purely due to other study-related factors like completing a diary and paying more attention to your sexuality, that should affect trial and control groups equally. A statistically-significant difference between trial and control groups implies that the drug itself has some effect.

Here's a write-up for what looks to be the study referenced in the article. Looks like they used the standard double-blind. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21933348

*If there's already a drug for the condition you're trying to treat, and you're trying to make a better one, the control would be the current best-practice medication. If there isn't, as here, control is a placebo.

 

[midwestyankee]

Double-blind controlled trials are the gold standard in pharma testing because they control for that sort of effect. Half the subjects (chosen at random) get the new drug, the other half get a control (alternate drug or placebo)*. Everything else is the same - in this case, everybody fills out a diary - and nobody, not even the researchers, knows who got which medication until after the results have been recorded.

If the change is purely due to other study-related factors like completing a diary and paying more attention to your sexuality, that should affect trial and control groups equally. A statistically-significant difference between trial and control groups implies that the drug itself has some effect.

Here's a write-up for what looks to be the study referenced in the article. Looks like they used the standard double-blind. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21933348

*If there's already a drug for the condition you're trying to treat, and you're trying to make a better one, the control would be the current best-practice medication. If there isn't, as here, control is a placebo.

Thanks for the lecture.

 

[xhellblazerx]

Nothing complicated....men don't want to pay for birth control the women should worry about it

But men would be all for a pill that could make women horny

In fact I'm sure many men think there already is one. They call them Rufies.

I think a pill that would increase women's sex drive would become the new rufie except even better because the assholes who slipped it to them could then say it was consensual so not date rape.

So the number one issue with a woman's Viagra type pill would be...piece of shit men.

 

[Privates1stClass]

I think that eventually medical science will come up with a little pink pill, and it will give women an equal standing with men when it comes to sexual satisfaction.

I've felt guilty at times when my wife and I had sex and she didn't reach her orgasm. Wouldn't it have been great if she'd been able to take a little pink pill--and then she'd have been as happy and exhausted as me?

Little pink pills, like Viagra, Cialis, and other male ED drugs won't be cheap, but they'll sell like hotcakes. I'd like to own several hundred shares of the company that finally comes up with the winner.

I've posted a story about little pink pills at this location: http://www.literotica.com/s/sleeping-with-the-competition

 

[desertslave]

I've felt guilty at times when my wife and I had sex and she didn't reach her orgasm. Wouldn't it have been great if she'd been able to take a little pink pill--and then she'd have been as happy and exhausted as me?

There are plenty of non-drug solutions to this....more foreplay to get her closer to orgasm, using your mouth or fingers (or both) if you've left her hanging. That's not necessarily a libido issue. Now, there are some possible physiologic or metabolic issues, as well, but that's a whole different discussion.

Libido (in both sexes, I think) is so crazy-variable. I get horny at some of the oddest times...sitting in traffic and hearing one of 'our' songs, seeing an attractive person, waiting in line at the bank...suddenly I want to get laid now. Master will start to tease me while we're making breakfast. A second ago I wasn't thinking about sex at all, and then--to hell with the eggs!

 

[bailadora]

Nothing complicated....men don't want to pay for birth control the women should worry about it

If men truly think women should shoulder the financial costs of birth control without any outside aid, I'm all for that, IF, by the same token, men are also expected to be as equally financially liable for Cialis, Viagra, or any other forms of medical therapy that aid male libido.

Oddly enough, when I first started working in HR, ED meds were covered by my company's health insurance. BCPs were not. Chapped my ass something fierce!

 

[GiggLeGasm]

Flibanserin is classified as an antidepressant. This does not seem to differ that much from the use of wellbutrin to increase sexual drive. Additionally, the article suggests that the medication acts differently than a hormone supplement. Perhaps the author should have read the pharmacology reports, although they can admittedly be scientific and we wouldn't want to clutter a medical issue with that.

On the upside.. it is reported to potentially have an anti-psychotic effect with or without the benefits of it being a potentially effective anti-depressant..

so if you're just looking for something because That Bitch be Cra-Cra.. this may not be a bad choice.

 

[Athalia]

Your thoughts?

Chocolate. Chocolate and pot. Usually works for me.

 

[desertslave]

Flibanserin is classified as an antidepressant. This does not seem to differ that much from the use of wellbutrin to increase sexual drive. Additionally, the article suggests that the medication acts differently than a hormone supplement. Perhaps the author should have read the pharmacology reports, although they can admittedly be scientific and we wouldn't want to clutter a medical issue with that.

On the upside.. it is reported to potentially have an anti-psychotic effect with or without the benefits of it being a potentially effective anti-depressant..

so if you're just looking for something because That Bitch be Cra-Cra.. this may not be a bad choice.

About 7 years ago, as I neared the beginning of menopause, I started to have "the crazies" as my version of PMS. Beforehand I'd never had mood swings of any sort, minimal other period-related problems. Suddenly I was freaking out over silly things, very anxious, easily sad or angered. I knew, somewhere inside my head, that my perceptions and reactions were irrational, but couldn't get my emotions to agree. My doc put me on Effexor. We had to adjust dosages once or twice, and the timing for taking it, but otherwise it worked like a charm. No more monthly insanity, very little negative effect on my libido. My only complaint was that little miss hair-trigger orgasm slowed down, sometimes became entirely elusive. After a few weeks, as long as nothing changes, it settles down, but if I miss a dose--ONE dose--I'm all messed up again for a handful of days.

I figure it's a fair trade-off for not being homicidal or suicidal.

 

[GiggLeGasm]

About 7 years ago, as I neared the beginning of menopause, I started to have "the crazies" as my version of PMS. Beforehand I'd never had mood swings of any sort, minimal other period-related problems. Suddenly I was freaking out over silly things, very anxious, easily sad or angered. I knew, somewhere inside my head, that my perceptions and reactions were irrational, but couldn't get my emotions to agree. My doc put me on Effexor. We had to adjust dosages once or twice, and the timing for taking it, but otherwise it worked like a charm. No more monthly insanity, very little negative effect on my libido. My only complaint was that little miss hair-trigger orgasm slowed down, sometimes became entirely elusive. After a few weeks, as long as nothing changes, it settles down, but if I miss a dose--ONE dose--I'm all messed up again for a handful of days.

I figure it's a fair trade-off for not being homicidal or suicidal.

In no way did I mean to infer that use of medication to help patients achieve stability is something to joke about and I apologize if you, for any reason, felt offended by my last comment.

I am more curious about those who are publishing that there is a pill that impacts libido while denying the impact on brain chemistry. It's just this ironic twist that and I'm struck by the hesitation of the pharmaceutical company to admit that the connection is obvious and scientifically proven. It's almost as if they're willing to say.. "you can have great sex AND fix an emotional imbalance".. as if a medical imbalance should be fixed for the convenience of sex!
And.. I'm so glad you were able to find a dose that worked after 2 adjustments. The average (last I knew) was 7 tries.. and it can be so difficult for people to remain hopeful during that time.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Thanks for the lecture.

Apologies, "lecture" is my default setting.

 

[desertslave]

In no way did I mean to infer that use of medication to help patients achieve stability is something to joke about and I apologize if you, for any reason, felt offended by my last comment.

I am more curious about those who are publishing that there is a pill that impacts libido while denying the impact on brain chemistry. It's just this ironic twist that and I'm struck by the hesitation of the pharmaceutical company to admit that the connection is obvious and scientifically proven. It's almost as if they're willing to say.. "you can have great sex AND fix an emotional imbalance".. as if a medical imbalance should be fixed for the convenience of sex!
And.. I'm so glad you were able to find a dose that worked after 2 adjustments. The average (last I knew) was 7 tries.. and it can be so difficult for people to remain hopeful during that time.

No offense taken at all! I was just trying to illustrate that the crazies can be real and can be a(nother) biochemical issue.

Libido such a damned tricky thing. There's the obvious chemistry of gender-related hormones, there's indirect chemistry related to metabolism (low thyroid has a link to libido), there are external physical consequences like lack of sleep, too much alcohol or physical pain, and then there are the people-variables like insecurity with a new partner, a previous difficult experience that caused carryover problems, anger, etc. And they're not always predictable! I've been angry and had desire plummet, and I've been literally fucking angry!

Several years ago I worked for a team of ob/gyn's. My favorite was our endocrinologist. We had a chat over lunch once, and got to chuckling over "HPS" (horny preggo syndrome) and wondering at the diversity from pregnant women who were completely hands-off during most or all of pregnancy, to the ones who could be first-term nauseous and still horny as hell. She concluded by saying that the good docs knew enough to know how little we still understood.

 

[CWatson]

But men would be all for a pill that could make women horny

That is very, very true.

The thing about drug businesses is that they are businesses. They'll go where the money goes. And men spend a lot of money on things that (they think) will improve their sex lives: condoms, hormones, Viagra, lingerie, roses, chocolate, blablablah etc. Is there a financial market for medication that makes women horny? HELL YES. So they're probably working on it. (In fact, there are cynical types who claim that pharmaceutical companies are not working on cancer cures because they'd rather give you cancer drugs. And, sadly, the cynical types have a point. Which gives you more profit: a one-time-use pill that fixes everything, or a medication the consumer has to buy every week for the rest of their lives?)

As a side note, pills that help men with erections may actually have some beneficial effects in women too. Men get aroused (IE, erect) due to widening of the arteries that supply blood to the genitals: they get so big that more blood flows into them than out. Viagra works by making those arteries extra-wide. Well, guess what? Women also get aroused when more blood flows into their genitals than out of it; it's the same mechanism, just with different results (vaginal tenting, vaginal lubrication, clitoral erection, nipple erection, etc). Now, it should be noted that Viagra produces no clinically-proven improvement on female sexual arousal disorder. But it probably won't make things worse, either, so you won't necessarily lose anything. (Except the money you used to buy the Viagra.)

 

[desertslave]

There is a fun non-medical possibility...a clit hood piercing! Eventually you can get used to it, but then you can change up the jewelry (larger gauge, different design) for something new. We both love mine.

My second piece of jewelry was a curved barbell with a larger ball on the inner end. The piercer winked at Master and warned him not to break a tooth on it. (So far the worst problem has been getting a flogger strand caught. )

 

[satindesire]

Apologies, "lecture" is my default setting.

We like your lectures. You are factual and succinct without being boring or condescending. It's nice. I think I can speak for a lot of people when we say we don't mind your lectures at all.

 

[simplegirl]

Apologies, "lecture" is my default setting.

I always appreciate your point of view Bramble. You always offer food for thought!

 

[satindesire]

Awww, this place is turning into a regular Love Bramble thread!

 

[Bramblethorn]

aw, shucks! Now I feel warm and fuzzy.

 

[sensualsharon]

These herbal ones work fairly decently.

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[Psychprofgal]

These herbal ones work fairly decently.

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I agree. Also, at the Adult store there was a pill but do not recall the name. It worked pretty well. Actually, really well!