RAPE CULTURE: Another feminist says boys can't be raped by women if they consent

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/he-says-he-said-no-to-sex-now-says-no-to-child-support/1183449

They dated, on and off, for three years.

On Jan. 6, 2006, when he was still 17 and she was 18, they had sex in the back seat of a car and made a baby she named Joshua.

A paternity test confirmed Kris was the father.

Kris was not present at Joshua's birth.

He did not contribute anything — not time, not money — to Joshua's care.

Jessica never asked Kris for help.

In March 2009, Kris got a letter from the state of Michigan. Jessica had moved there and gone on welfare and Michigan wanted Kris to start paying child support.

Kris hired a lawyer. He said he shouldn't have to pay child support because he never wanted the baby.

Jessica, he said, raped him.

Around the country there are plenty of cases of underage boys who got a woman pregnant and then tried to avoid paying child support. The 15-year-old in California who was seduced by the 34-year-old mom next door. The 13-year-old boy in Kansas who had sex with his 17-year-old baby*sitter. The 15-year-old boy in Florida who impregnated a 20-year-old.

Under a strict interpretation of the law, these boys, by virtue of their age, were raped. But family courts have seen these incidents for what they were: consensual sexual encounters.

consensual sexual encounters.
It's only consentual if it's a woman and a boy. It's rape if it's a man and a girl.

That's feminism, ladies and gentlemen.

Let the namecalling commence. But I stand 100% right and unbeatable on this one. And practically every other point I make, too.

 

[TwinkleStars]

Article last modified in July 30 2011? Gods, can't you ever post shit that deals with a current year? Not shit posted years ago???

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Article last modified in July 30 2011? Gods, can't you ever post shit that deals with a current year? Not shit posted years ago???

What, does that make the article untrue?

Has the law changed since then?

HAS FEMINISM CHANGED SINCE THEN?

No?

THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION

 

[TwinkleStars]

You're so sexy when you're mental.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

You're so sexy when you're irrefutably right.

 

[badbabysitter]

Article last modified in July 30 2011? Gods, can't you ever post shit that deals with a current year? Not shit posted years ago???

not only that... but he doesnt actually show where a feminist said anything

 

[duranman]

Were you 'raped' by a woman in your youth, or is it your fantasy?...

I suspect you were once accused of it and somehow it's getting to you. In a way I'm with you as certainly female manipulation is ubiquitous. But the physical act of rape surely renders it impossible that way around doesn't it? It's a very interesting topic for serious discussion. A story based on true life experience, though not literally true, you might find interesting would be my particular take on this slightly taboo subject. Be patient until Chapter 4, the first three chapters are relatively tame hence their sub 4 score 'til then, and ask yourself the question: Was he raped?....

http://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1341118&page=submissions

 

[1sickbastard]

Well, by definition if all participants are capable of legal consent, then it's not rape.
But this isn't about 'rape' this is about cash strapped states getting the dirty green paper for child support.
Or it's about ambitious DA's looking to cash in on public outrage (like the case a few years back in ATL where a girl gave consensual bj's to classmates who were later charged with statutory rape).

It's not about so-called feminism.

The moral for the boys of any age is: wear a fucking condom and get a sober consent agreement on record. Failure to do so can fuck up your life in a big way.

Geeze, LJ, the 'feminists' you want to bitch about (the small but very vocal minority of 'professional victims') should be more than enough to feed your outrage. Manufacturing outrage is not your forte.
You're not even good enough at it to be taken on as a 'contributor' to Faux News...

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

not only that... but he doesnt actually show where a feminist said anything

Leonora LaPeter Anton, the woman who wrote the article.

There, I showed you. Now make some excuses.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Well, by definition if all participants are capable of legal consent, then it's not rape.

Children under 18 are not capable of legal consent. They can't consent to contracts. Which means its rape. EXCEPT when feminists like Leonora LaPeter Anton (the writer of the article I linked in the OP) say it's not.

The moral for the boys of any age is: wear a fucking condom and get a sober consent agreement on record. Failure to do so can fuck up your life in a big way.

The moral for the boys of any age is: if you're getting raped, be sure you wrap it, or you're going to pay dearly.

The moral for the girls of any age is: rapist should be gettin' dead. You ain't gotta pay for anything, we'll take care of all your troubles!

Feminism in action, folks.

Oh yeah and you are a fucking rape defender.

 

[smoothg103rd]

If a boy says a woman raped him he is gay. A woman could rape me ANYTIME. 17 year old boy with a 18 year old girl isn't Statutory. Just two young people fucking.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

If a boy says a woman raped him he is gay. A woman could rape me ANYTIME. 17 year old boy with a 18 year old girl isn't Statutory. Just two young people fucking.

Male feminists saying they want to get raped.

Well so much for there not being any RAPE CULTURE.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Male feminists saying they want to get raped.

Well so much for there not being any RAPE CULTURE.

There ain't one when the woman is being accused.

 

[PoppingTom]

Male feminists saying they want to get raped.

Yes, and there are even women who say they want to get raped. There are even people who like to be pissed on. Now, did we got a piss culture?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

There ain't one when the woman is being accused.

If America could generate a single joule of electricity for every excuse that feminists come up with to protect women who are guilty of rape, we could power the Death Star.

 

[badbabysitter]

Leonora LaPeter Anton, the woman who wrote the article.

There, I showed you. Now make some excuses.

No, she did not

she said, and I will quote


Under a strict interpretation of the law, these boys, by virtue of their age, were raped. But family courts have seen these incidents for what they were: consensual sexual encounters.

it was literally what her feelings were on what the family court decided

the family court declared it... not feminists


you need to start reading the shit you post , vetteman

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

No, she did not

she said, and I will quote


Under a strict interpretation of the law, these boys, by virtue of their age, were raped. But family courts have seen these incidents for what they were: consensual sexual encounters.

it was literally what her feelings were on what the family court decided

the family court declared it... not feminists


you need to start reading the shit you post , vetteman

"But family courts have seen these incidents for what they were: consensual sexual encounters."
In other words she, a feminist columnist, said that it's consentual if it's a woman and a boy. But it's rape if it's a man and a girl.

That's feminism, ladies and gentlemen. And you, Badbabysitter, are a child rape defender.

Now keep defending a woman who calls child rape "consentual". Rape defending shithead bitch. If I ever found out who you were I would send this to your employer and Canada would make sure you never come within sight of a child again.

 

[badbabysitter]

"But family courts have seen these incidents for what they were: consensual sexual encounters."
In other words she, a feminist columnist, said that it's consentual if it's a woman and a boy. But it's rape if it's a man and a girl.

That's feminism, ladies and gentlemen. And you, Badbabysitter, are a child rape defender.

Now keep defending a woman who calls child rape "consentual". Rape defending shithead bitch. If I ever found out who you were I would send this to your employer and Canada would make sure you never come within sight of a child again.

you are such a dumbass


sorry for being crass, but you are really are being incredibly stupid on this

you see...unlike you... I read the entirety of this column.. and not just the selected bits

and when you do read the entire column you find out... lo and behold.. the columnist does in fact not think Kris deserves this.. and she does in fact believe he was raped

here's the entirety of it


Here's what's certain about the Hudson High School romance of Kris Bucher and Jessica Fuller:


They dated, on and off, for three years.

On Jan. 6, 2006, when he was still 17 and she was 18, they had sex in the back seat of a car and made a baby she named Joshua.

A paternity test confirmed Kris was the father.

Kris was not present at Joshua's birth.

He did not contribute anything — not time, not money — to Joshua's care.

Jessica never asked Kris for help.

In March 2009, Kris got a letter from the state of Michigan. Jessica had moved there and gone on welfare and Michigan wanted Kris to start paying child support.

Kris hired a lawyer. He said he shouldn't have to pay child support because he never wanted the baby.

Jessica, he said, raped him.

Around the country there are plenty of cases of underage boys who got a woman pregnant and then tried to avoid paying child support. The 15-year-old in California who was seduced by the 34-year-old mom next door. The 13-year-old boy in Kansas who had sex with his 17-year-old baby*sitter. The 15-year-old boy in Florida who impregnated a 20-year-old.

Under a strict interpretation of the law, these boys, by virtue of their age, were raped. But family courts have seen these incidents for what they were: consensual sexual encounters. And as a result, they have ordered the boys to pay child support.

The baby is the innocent one, judges say. One court put it this way: If the sex was voluntary, then the parenthood is also.

Kris says his case is different. He's not fighting the child support because he was underage. He's fighting, he says, because he said "no" to the sex.

Jessica denies that she forced him to have sex, and she has not been charged with any crime. But Kris' argument in the child support case has the potential to make case law in Florida. It rests on a simple question:

Do you believe him?

• • •

Jessica remembers the exact date she first met him in the halls of Hudson High School. It was Aug. 25, 2003, her freshman year.

"You don't know it yet, but you are my future boyfriend," she said to him a day later.

The following morning, he was waiting for her at her bus and by lunch time, they were inseparable.

Kris had never had a girlfriend before. He wore glasses and was kind of geeky. She was outgoing and had auburn hair and hazel eyes. His world shrank. She was it.

Their relationship was tumultuous. They fought, broke up and always reconnected. In between, she dated other boys.

They joined the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps at their high school. They talked about one day getting married, having kids. They first had sex in early May 2005 in the back seat of his 1997 Mazda 626. He was 17, she was 17.

She got pregnant later that year, but miscarried two months later. She remembers the hospital, Kris standing there. He looked pale, scared.

• • •

What happened in the weeks after the miscarriage, and specifically on the night of Jan. 6, 2006, is where the couple's stories begin to diverge. Kris told his version at a child support hearing in Brooksville in 2010. Jessica was not present.

Kris testified he wasn't ready to be a father. And the doctor told them Jessica would now be particularly fertile, so they decided to avoid sex.

On Jan. 6, 2006, Jessica and Kris fought and she broke up with him again. He was in love, he said, and he begged her not to leave him. So she invited him to her church youth group meeting that night.

Their friends drove, but the church was closed, so they headed to Hudson Beach in Pasco County. The other couple went for a walk.

Kris and Jessica sat in the back seat. He said he was looking out the window at the smooth water when she got on top of him and said: "You know you want me."

The passenger seat in front of him was tilted back at a 45-degree angle. She used one arm to pin him down, he said, the other to unzip his pants. At the time, he said, he was 5-foot-7 and 150 pounds and she was heavier.

"At any time do you make a statement to her about you will not have sexual intercourse with her?" asked his lawyer, Kerry O'Connor, at the hearing.

"I told her, 'No, I do not want this.' And that's when she said, 'It's going to happen.' "

"And did you specifically use the word 'no'? "

"Absolutely . . . several times."

He said he tried to push Jessica off. He said he tried to pull the door handle to open the car door. He said she slammed her hand over the lock. He said it was over pretty fast.

He got out of the car, sat on the tailgate with his head in his hands. Their friends returned and he said nothing. They dropped him at his house.

Did you go to the police immediately? his lawyer asked.

"No, I did not," he responded. Kris said he called the Sheriff's Office a few weeks later and spoke to a deputy. The deputy seemed to doubt him but said he would follow up. He never did and neither did Kris.

"At this point, I was a senior in high school. I didn't want to lose respect amongst friends. I was in a respected position in JROTC. I didn't want to lose that. I didn't want any kind of unwanted attention drawn to me."

• • •

In February 2006, Kris said, he and Jessica sat down on the soft brown couch in the living room of his parents' home in Brooksville.

They told his parents that Jessica was pregnant.

How did this happen? his mother asked. The doctor had told them to be careful. They had agreed to refrain from sex.

Kris, his mother and his father all say that at that moment, Jessica admitted that she forced Kris to have sex against his will.

"I made him," Connie Bucher recalls her saying.

Kris' dad, Steve Bucher, was initially skeptical, but he didn't say anything.

"How does a girl rape a guy? I just couldn't see that," he said in a recent interview.

Experts say it is physically possible for a man to be raped by a woman, or, put another way, to get an erection without wanting to have sex.

"Teenagers, in particular, often have an uncontrollable genital response," says Debby Herbenick, a research scientist in sexual health at Indiana University and author of Because It Feels Good.

"Many men, for example, recall getting erections when they felt scared, angry, or even nervous — like having to go up to the chalkboard to write out a math problem," she said. "And certainly seeing someone naked could lead them to get an erection."

There are statutes addressing child support if a man rapes a woman, said O'Connor, Kris' lawyer. But not if a woman rapes a man.

Was it fair for the court to order the victim of a crime to compensate the perpetrator? O'Connor asked.

"I know society does not believe, I think overwhelmingly, that a man can be the subject of an involuntary sexual battery," she said. "And that is unfortunate because my client is."

• • •

Jessica Ann Fuller's Facebook page says she is a proud mother of two. A Christian who likes to go to church. A community college student who hopes to be a special education teacher.

In a phone interview from her home in Michigan, Jessica, now 23, pregnant and engaged to another man, acknowledges a lot of things.

That she got on top of Kris in the back seat of the car and initiated sex that night.

That Kris stopped them in the middle and raised questions about whether they should continue. "I didn't get off him and he didn't push me off."

They remained together, Jessica said, for about a month afterward, until Kris discovered that Jessica had had sex with another guy that same night. They didn't see each other much after that.

In instant messages the day Kris was served with child support papers more than two years ago, he told her he was afraid he would go to jail because he couldn't afford child support.

Jessica: im sorry, but theres nothing i can do. You helped make the kid, now you have to help take care of it.

Kris: excuse me? u know as well as i do that you forced yourself on me that night

Kris: and you know i said no

Jessica: omg...

Kris: you admitted it right in front of my parents

Jessica: ok, no i didn't

Jessica said she didn't go after child support because she was hoping that one day Kris would want something to do with Joshua, who is now 4.

"Kris would be very proud of how smart he is," she said.

Jessica said she still cares about Kris.

"He was my first love," she said, "and I'm always going to care about him."

But she said she's disappointed.

"If for some reason they ever found me guilty of raping him, my whole career would be completely destroyed, I'd be put in jail and the children would go in foster care," she said. "To destroy my entire family for the simple thing that he didn't want to pay child support, that's a very selfish thing to do."

• • •

Two months ago, Kris, now 23, was dealt a setback. His request to dismiss the child support case was denied.

In rejecting the claim, a Hernando County hearing officer pointed to cases of the 13-year-old boy in Kansas, the 15-year-old in California, a 15-year-old in Florida — all of whom were underage when they had consensual sex with women who got pregnant.

"Like the other states, Florida has an interest in requiring parents to support their children," the hearing officer wrote.

Left open was the question of consent.

"The crux of the tension here," said Ruth Jones, a professor of law at McGeorge Law School in Sacramento, Calif., "is if . . . he is a victim of forcible rape, is that sufficient to alleviate him from the responsibility of child support?"

There is a case that deals with this. It's not exactly like Kris' case, but similar. It involves a 34-year-old man from Alabama who passed out at a party. A woman had sex with him while he was unconscious and she got pregnant. The court ordered him to pay child support.

Kris earns $21,000 a year working with his dad's water conditioning company.

This past week, he married another woman who has two kids.

The amount of child support he owes has never been calculated. But he said he has spent about $5,000 to fight it.

He had to decide recently if he wanted to appeal the case to the 5th District Court of Appeal. He decided to keep going, he said, because he feels like he's being punished for something Jessica did.

He says he knows it sounds harsh, but he doesn't want anything to do with Joshua. Ever.

"He was the result of something traumatic in my life, and I don't think I could bring myself to be a parent," Kris said. "It's not fair to him. It's not his fault."


so if you ever did find out where I worked... which seems to be a very gamergate thing to do... and sent my bosses this info they'd probably say

" who is this dumbass?"

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Am I the only one who noted that Jessica also slept with another man, so until the paternity test confirmed it, there was reason to doubt that it even was Kris's kid?

Incidentally, Anton did imply that the court was right, when she said "seen the incidents for what they were."

Quod erat demonstratum. She implied that it was consensual, while also admitting that it was legally rape. She essentially said that the law was wrong.

However, she noted the facts of the case as well. Jessica's own selfishness and hypocrisy at calling Kris selfish is truly a case of pot and kettle here. She rapes him and considers him selfish for not wanting a rape child? I guarantee you if she wanted to abort a rape child, she wouldn't think that selfish, would she? A bit convenient, if you ask me.

FYI, for the record, while I don't approve of abortion, rape is one of those cases where where at least an early or maybe mid-term abortion should be permitted. It's a conflict between inalienable rights, if you will. Life vs. liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

you are such a dumbass


sorry for being crass, but you are really are being incredibly stupid on this

you see...unlike you... I read the entirety of this column.. and not just the selected bits

and when you do read the entire column you find out... lo and behold.. the columnist does in fact not think Kris deserves this.. and she does in fact believe he was raped

here's the entirety of it


Here's what's certain about the Hudson High School romance of Kris Bucher and Jessica Fuller:


They dated, on and off, for three years.

On Jan. 6, 2006, when he was still 17 and she was 18, they had sex in the back seat of a car and made a baby she named Joshua.

A paternity test confirmed Kris was the father.

Kris was not present at Joshua's birth.

He did not contribute anything — not time, not money — to Joshua's care.

Jessica never asked Kris for help.

In March 2009, Kris got a letter from the state of Michigan. Jessica had moved there and gone on welfare and Michigan wanted Kris to start paying child support.

Kris hired a lawyer. He said he shouldn't have to pay child support because he never wanted the baby.

Jessica, he said, raped him.

Around the country there are plenty of cases of underage boys who got a woman pregnant and then tried to avoid paying child support. The 15-year-old in California who was seduced by the 34-year-old mom next door. The 13-year-old boy in Kansas who had sex with his 17-year-old baby*sitter. The 15-year-old boy in Florida who impregnated a 20-year-old.

Under a strict interpretation of the law, these boys, by virtue of their age, were raped. But family courts have seen these incidents for what they were: consensual sexual encounters. And as a result, they have ordered the boys to pay child support.

The baby is the innocent one, judges say. One court put it this way: If the sex was voluntary, then the parenthood is also.

Kris says his case is different. He's not fighting the child support because he was underage. He's fighting, he says, because he said "no" to the sex.

Jessica denies that she forced him to have sex, and she has not been charged with any crime. But Kris' argument in the child support case has the potential to make case law in Florida. It rests on a simple question:

Do you believe him?

• • •

Jessica remembers the exact date she first met him in the halls of Hudson High School. It was Aug. 25, 2003, her freshman year.

"You don't know it yet, but you are my future boyfriend," she said to him a day later.

The following morning, he was waiting for her at her bus and by lunch time, they were inseparable.

Kris had never had a girlfriend before. He wore glasses and was kind of geeky. She was outgoing and had auburn hair and hazel eyes. His world shrank. She was it.

Their relationship was tumultuous. They fought, broke up and always reconnected. In between, she dated other boys.

They joined the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps at their high school. They talked about one day getting married, having kids. They first had sex in early May 2005 in the back seat of his 1997 Mazda 626. He was 17, she was 17.

She got pregnant later that year, but miscarried two months later. She remembers the hospital, Kris standing there. He looked pale, scared.

• • •

What happened in the weeks after the miscarriage, and specifically on the night of Jan. 6, 2006, is where the couple's stories begin to diverge. Kris told his version at a child support hearing in Brooksville in 2010. Jessica was not present.

Kris testified he wasn't ready to be a father. And the doctor told them Jessica would now be particularly fertile, so they decided to avoid sex.

On Jan. 6, 2006, Jessica and Kris fought and she broke up with him again. He was in love, he said, and he begged her not to leave him. So she invited him to her church youth group meeting that night.

Their friends drove, but the church was closed, so they headed to Hudson Beach in Pasco County. The other couple went for a walk.

Kris and Jessica sat in the back seat. He said he was looking out the window at the smooth water when she got on top of him and said: "You know you want me."

The passenger seat in front of him was tilted back at a 45-degree angle. She used one arm to pin him down, he said, the other to unzip his pants. At the time, he said, he was 5-foot-7 and 150 pounds and she was heavier.

"At any time do you make a statement to her about you will not have sexual intercourse with her?" asked his lawyer, Kerry O'Connor, at the hearing.

"I told her, 'No, I do not want this.' And that's when she said, 'It's going to happen.' "

"And did you specifically use the word 'no'? "

"Absolutely . . . several times."

He said he tried to push Jessica off. He said he tried to pull the door handle to open the car door. He said she slammed her hand over the lock. He said it was over pretty fast.

He got out of the car, sat on the tailgate with his head in his hands. Their friends returned and he said nothing. They dropped him at his house.

Did you go to the police immediately? his lawyer asked.

"No, I did not," he responded. Kris said he called the Sheriff's Office a few weeks later and spoke to a deputy. The deputy seemed to doubt him but said he would follow up. He never did and neither did Kris.

"At this point, I was a senior in high school. I didn't want to lose respect amongst friends. I was in a respected position in JROTC. I didn't want to lose that. I didn't want any kind of unwanted attention drawn to me."

• • •

In February 2006, Kris said, he and Jessica sat down on the soft brown couch in the living room of his parents' home in Brooksville.

They told his parents that Jessica was pregnant.

How did this happen? his mother asked. The doctor had told them to be careful. They had agreed to refrain from sex.

Kris, his mother and his father all say that at that moment, Jessica admitted that she forced Kris to have sex against his will.

"I made him," Connie Bucher recalls her saying.

Kris' dad, Steve Bucher, was initially skeptical, but he didn't say anything.

"How does a girl rape a guy? I just couldn't see that," he said in a recent interview.

Experts say it is physically possible for a man to be raped by a woman, or, put another way, to get an erection without wanting to have sex.

"Teenagers, in particular, often have an uncontrollable genital response," says Debby Herbenick, a research scientist in sexual health at Indiana University and author of Because It Feels Good.

"Many men, for example, recall getting erections when they felt scared, angry, or even nervous — like having to go up to the chalkboard to write out a math problem," she said. "And certainly seeing someone naked could lead them to get an erection."

There are statutes addressing child support if a man rapes a woman, said O'Connor, Kris' lawyer. But not if a woman rapes a man.

Was it fair for the court to order the victim of a crime to compensate the perpetrator? O'Connor asked.

"I know society does not believe, I think overwhelmingly, that a man can be the subject of an involuntary sexual battery," she said. "And that is unfortunate because my client is."

• • •

Jessica Ann Fuller's Facebook page says she is a proud mother of two. A Christian who likes to go to church. A community college student who hopes to be a special education teacher.

In a phone interview from her home in Michigan, Jessica, now 23, pregnant and engaged to another man, acknowledges a lot of things.

That she got on top of Kris in the back seat of the car and initiated sex that night.

That Kris stopped them in the middle and raised questions about whether they should continue. "I didn't get off him and he didn't push me off."

They remained together, Jessica said, for about a month afterward, until Kris discovered that Jessica had had sex with another guy that same night. They didn't see each other much after that.

In instant messages the day Kris was served with child support papers more than two years ago, he told her he was afraid he would go to jail because he couldn't afford child support.

Jessica: im sorry, but theres nothing i can do. You helped make the kid, now you have to help take care of it.

Kris: excuse me? u know as well as i do that you forced yourself on me that night

Kris: and you know i said no

Jessica: omg...

Kris: you admitted it right in front of my parents

Jessica: ok, no i didn't

Jessica said she didn't go after child support because she was hoping that one day Kris would want something to do with Joshua, who is now 4.

"Kris would be very proud of how smart he is," she said.

Jessica said she still cares about Kris.

"He was my first love," she said, "and I'm always going to care about him."

But she said she's disappointed.

"If for some reason they ever found me guilty of raping him, my whole career would be completely destroyed, I'd be put in jail and the children would go in foster care," she said. "To destroy my entire family for the simple thing that he didn't want to pay child support, that's a very selfish thing to do."

• • •

Two months ago, Kris, now 23, was dealt a setback. His request to dismiss the child support case was denied.

In rejecting the claim, a Hernando County hearing officer pointed to cases of the 13-year-old boy in Kansas, the 15-year-old in California, a 15-year-old in Florida — all of whom were underage when they had consensual sex with women who got pregnant.

"Like the other states, Florida has an interest in requiring parents to support their children," the hearing officer wrote.

Left open was the question of consent.

"The crux of the tension here," said Ruth Jones, a professor of law at McGeorge Law School in Sacramento, Calif., "is if . . . he is a victim of forcible rape, is that sufficient to alleviate him from the responsibility of child support?"

There is a case that deals with this. It's not exactly like Kris' case, but similar. It involves a 34-year-old man from Alabama who passed out at a party. A woman had sex with him while he was unconscious and she got pregnant. The court ordered him to pay child support.

Kris earns $21,000 a year working with his dad's water conditioning company.

This past week, he married another woman who has two kids.

The amount of child support he owes has never been calculated. But he said he has spent about $5,000 to fight it.

He had to decide recently if he wanted to appeal the case to the 5th District Court of Appeal. He decided to keep going, he said, because he feels like he's being punished for something Jessica did.

He says he knows it sounds harsh, but he doesn't want anything to do with Joshua. Ever.

"He was the result of something traumatic in my life, and I don't think I could bring myself to be a parent," Kris said. "It's not fair to him. It's not his fault."


so if you ever did find out where I worked... which seems to be a very gamergate thing to do... and sent my bosses this info they'd probably say

" who is this dumbass?"

How does any of your uneducated idiotic rant refute the basic fact

that an adult woman RAPED an underaged boy

and that a FEMINIST said he consented to sex... which no underaged person can actually, legally do?

You fucking fuckhouse fucktard. What part of anything you just posted refuted any of that?

You got nothing you brain dead bitch. Please. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

 

[badbabysitter]

How does any of your uneducated idiotic rant refute the basic fact

that an adult woman RAPED an underaged boy

and that a FEMINIST said he consented to sex... which no underaged person can actually, legally do?

You fucking fuckhouse fucktard. What part of anything you just posted refuted any of that?

You got nothing you brain dead bitch. Please. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

dude... take a deep beath, count to ten

you claimed " another feminist says boys cant be raped by women if they consent"

you then posted an article in which the feminist actually says the boy was raped

just stick with the Daily Caller and Freedomworks.... they use smaller words

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

not only that... but he doesnt actually show where a feminist said anything

Not to mention at the very beginning of the article it states that they had been dating for three years, so since she was 15 and he was 14. I sincerely doubt that they never had sex before the night she conceived. His claim that he was raped and produced a baby are dubious, it's much more likely that the couple had engaged in sexual activity many times, she ended up pregnant, and he stopped seeing her when she refused to abort.

Now that Michigan is trying to make him support his child he's claiming he was raped. Personally, I think he's full of shit.

However, when the woman retains the choice to remain pregnant or abort with no input from the "father" then I think the male should be able to opt out of any claim on the child he doesn't want in exchange for no financial responsibility for the unwanted child.

Fair is fair.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Ulaven, um, rape shield laws are two-way streets. Prior relationships for a woman aren't a rape defense for a man, nor should they be for a woman.

 

[badbabysitter]

Not to mention at the very beginning of the article it states that they had been dating for three years, so since she was 15 and he was 14. I sincerely doubt that they never had sex before the night she conceived. His claim that he was raped and produced a baby are dubious, it's much more likely that the couple had engaged in sexual activity many times, she ended up pregnant, and he stopped seeing her when she refused to abort.

Now that Michigan is trying to make him support his child he's claiming he was raped. Personally, I think he's full of shit.

However, when the woman retains the choice to remain pregnant or abort with no input from the "father" then I think the male should be able to opt out of any claim on the child he doesn't want in exchange for no financial responsibility for the unwanted child.

Fair is fair.

that would certainly seem to be on the surface the fair thing... but that also opens up the floor for any father opting out after their child is born based merely on their word


plus this plays into the idea that child support is mandatory... in cases of welfare, yes it is mandatory.. but the custodial parent is not on a government mandated program its optional... and visitation by non custodial parents is also optional... so unless the custodial parenthood is in the governmental syatem, the concept of " forced parenthood" is not valid


not to mention what happens to the child in question... the child is going to grow up knowing that their father opted out of wanting to ever know them


look at Paul Elam.. spokesman of the the MRA's largest organization AVoiceforMen... he and his first wife had a child, and after several years of trying to get child support from him, let him opt out.... now he has a grown daughter he barely talks to whom reached out to him first

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

dude... take a deep beath, count to ten

you claimed " another feminist says boys cant be raped by women if they consent"

you then posted an article in which the feminist actually says the boy was raped

Get a clue.

How does any of your uneducated idiotic rant refute the basic fact

that an adult woman RAPED an underaged boy

and that a FEMINIST said he consented to sex... which no underaged person can actually, legally do?

You fucking fuckhouse fucktard. What part of anything you just posted refuted any of that?

You got nothing you brain dead bitch. Please. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

You're completely wrong in what you just said. I'm going to pound you FOREVER on this because I am absolutely, flawlessly right. You've got no counter.