Liberals need to learn to play rough & dirty

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Monday, Jan 12, 2015 07:00 AM EST

Angry right’s secret playbook: How it uses a good story to peddle an agenda America hates

I'm a former right-winger and I know the playbook. Here's why liberals have to learn to talk big — and play dirty

Edwin Lyngar



“If Jerry Falwell had an enema (after he died), he could have been buried in a matchbox.”

– Christopher Hitchens


This recent midterm election was my first real setback since I became a committed liberal (after years on the other side), and what I don’t understand is why so many well-meaning liberals refuse to fight dirty. Sure, some Democratic politicians “sling mud,” but the “professional left” (as they are often derisively called) spend too much time debating the exactitude of certain issues and not enough time shutting down the bad ideas of the opposition. It might speak well to one’s character, but it’s an ineffective way to do battle. There is a place for self-examination, but it’s not on the battlefield. Sometimes the proper reaction to cruelty or stupid ideas is disgust or even a well-timed insult. For many on the left this art is sadly as dead as the late hero of mine quoted above.

I got married, dropped out of college, joined the military and became a father all before I was 21 years old, and I spent the next 20 years dealing with my early missteps. It was a painful climb, but one benefit of the circuitous route I took is that I understand the angry, white and rural right wing of America better than most. It’s a group that grows ever more desperate and irrational no matter which way the electoral winds blow.

As a member of the frothing right wing, I always spouted nonsense, even when I wasn’t sure I believed it. Sometimes I would throw out really crazy stuff just to see how it fit the big picture and sometimes to get a rise from the opposition. Rhetorical bomb throwing is well respected on the right, and it’s not always a bad thing. There is nothing wrong with trying out ideas, letting them roll off the tongue to see how they sound. I’m always playing with ideas, most of which get discarded before I let myself believe them or write them down. There is one caveat to this and that’s the racist, hateful and homophobic rants that have become too common among the worst of the Tea Party. This ugly side of conservative rage is one of the major factors that drove me (and many others) away from right-wing politics.

When I lived conservative values, I attended many events with like-minded people. Conservative movements foster a herd mentality. Even when someone stood up to “lead,” he or she often regurgitated well-accepted talking points while crowds nodded in unison. Listen to talk radio or watch Fox News, and you can barely tally the number of times you hear, “yes, I think that’s true.” A perfect example of thoughtless regurgitation is when callers on talk radio mention “Saul Alinsky Democrats.” Still others like to sling the insult of “Obama’s Chicago political machine,” with no context whatsoever. I’m going to make the obvious point that few if any of these callers have read one word of Alinsky, and fewer still have any direct, pointed or even third-hand knowledge of “Chicago politics.” These goofy phrases have become totems of the insider, and like children, these listeners mindlessly repeat what someone else has said as if they had insight.

Now that I’ve been in the liberal camp for a few years, I’ve noticed the complete opposite with the politically engaged left. They often identify as “contrarian.” They question everything and have a hard time taking a firm stand, even when 70% of the public is with them (on minimum wage, for instance). In an ideological battle, the tendency toward inclusion and reflection can become a handicap. As a side effect of all this soul-searching, the left becomes ineffectual at fighting even the worst excesses on the right. I’m boiling this down to a false dichotomy to illustrate a point. Of course there is every gradation of political belief on the right and left; yet our system itself is incapable of nuance, because only one side has even heard of the word.

Most people know that individuals will suffer because of the results of the latest midterm election. People won’t get health care and some will lose food stamps. Discrimination will find a better foothold and the advance of science will lose ground. People I love, personally, will be vilified for being gay, because conservative voices of discrimination will feel empowered to act like jerks. Much of the latest loss stems from an inability to talk to regular people — especially working-class men — about liberal ideas. If Homer Simpson is America (he is), then liberals should learn to talk to him.

Rich people have won over the white working class even though those same wealthy people don’t do shit for the working class, ever. The wealthy have bought elections and government, wholesale. Working-class Americans are scared, battered and desperate. They are ready to listen to liberal messages, but not if we act like “wimps.” The thing conservatives can’t stand the most is what they charmingly call “pussy liberals.” A white, conservative man would walk through hot coals or swallow shards of glass to prove to a stranger on the barstool next to him that he’s not one. (My wife, a nuanced liberal, vehemently objects when I use the term. As a feminist I totally understand. It’s offensive. But I didn’t create this usage. I’m only pointing it out.)

One of the reasons I became a liberal is not only because they have better ideas but also because they are willing to reconsider them, sometimes ad infinitum. The debates and discussion and endless self-examination appeal to me, because of who I am. Liberals do a lot less yelling and a whole lot more making everyone feel welcome. Yet the same strength in debating, self-awareness and the Socratic Method are the enemies of a good story.

The retired guy in a modest home on a fixed income defends the rights of billionaires to exploit him, because he’s been sold a narrative. The story matters, and Republicans spin a hell of yarn about America and “freedom,” even though most of it is bullshit or a straight-out rewriting of history. They talk about Jefferson, Madison and Washington, men who would despise the science-hating, ignorant and reactive group the right has become. But it doesn’t matter what or who you really stand for, it’s just a matter of what you can sell. People with a billion dollars in the bank who benefit from low taxes and who exploit American labor could give two shits about patriotism, but they sing “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” as loud as possible while owning sprawling mansions in five countries.

Alice Walton, Wal-Mart heiress and professional layabout, is hardly your relatable, average American. Certainly the left should be able to find an explanation for why her brand of capitalism is evil. If liberals want to win the war of ideas they can’t be afraid to use the word “evil.” If Ms. Walton is not an evil person, we should at least not be afraid to call the practices of Wal-Mart by that powerful and often factual label.

Too harsh? Have you heard the dreck slung at immigrants lately? How about the word “traitor,” so easily thrown at the president almost daily, every day for six years? If you think those on the right are reasonable, wish one “happy holidays.” You might get your ass kicked.

The worst part is that people do not prefer conservative ideas. In the last election they voted to increase the minimum wage in red states, to impose gun background checks and to legalize marijuana. The problem with all three of these issues is that Democrats refuse to stand up for them or do so only tepidly. They won’t fight, argue and, if necessary, insult the increasingly unbalanced platform of the opposition.

I call on my fellow liberals to embrace the rough stuff. Engage in battle with people who hate you and feel free to throw crazy right back, even if you only half believe it. Let it out and taste it on the way by. See if it flies. If it doesn’t, screw it — just fix it up next time. Refer to your political opponent as “the honorable shithead from New Jersey.” Use the words, images and for god’s sake, the passion of the street. People who hate and fear you will always hate you unless they die out, change their minds or we can beat them in a heated contest of ideas. You’re not playing checkers — and they’re winning by giving zero shits about reality, so cut the crap and fight like you mean it.
 
Libruls tend to rely on facts (which have a "well known librul bias" ;) )
Conservatives and Not-Republicans resort to relying on #TheNarrative, which often has little basis in reality.

As an aside, please don't cut-and-paste entire articles here. It's against the Terms of Service, and embiggens bottom feeders like queerbait to say "See? Whar is teh outrage? WHAR?"
 
Libruls tend to rely on facts (which have a "well known librul bias" ;) )
Conservatives and Not-Republicans resort to relying on #TheNarrative, which often has little basis in reality.

And this is why. It's the difference between mythos and logos.

As an aside, please don't cut-and-paste entire articles here. It's against the Terms of Service . . .

News to me, honestly.
 
Libruls tend to rely on facts (which have a "well known librul bias" ;) )
Conservatives and Not-Republicans resort to relying on #TheNarrative, which often has little basis in reality.

And, thank you, vette, for so promptly providing us with an illustrative example of the above! :)

Liberals need no upgrading of their already swinish behavior. Just take the bass ackward bullshit above. There is no reality in the formulation of liberal policy only theory and idealism, failed idealism at that.
 
Notice how Librul writers always have names from East Europe places like Albania.
 
Notice how Librul writers always have names from East Europe places like Albania.

I know, I know . . . "Thomas Paine," "Thomas Jefferson," "Eugene Debs," "Norman Thomas," "Bayard Rustin," "Michael Harrington," "Eric Alterman," "John Nichols," "Robert Reich," "Paul Krugman" . . . whatta buncha bohunks!
 
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They are ready to listen to liberal messages, but not if we act like “wimps.” The thing conservatives can’t stand the most is what they charmingly call “pussy liberals.” A white, conservative man would walk through hot coals or swallow shards of glass to prove to a stranger on the barstool next to him that he’s not one. (My wife, a nuanced liberal, vehemently objects when I use the term. As a feminist I totally understand. It’s offensive. But I didn’t create this usage. I’m only pointing it out.


This is a good point in a column is otherwise a little trite. The parts of the country trending away from Democrats the most over the last 10 years are the Appalachian region and the areas of the country settled by emigrants from that region. Shows of strength and a readiness to defend one's honor are very important values there (which is one reason those areas have high rates of violent crime, but I digress). They expect you to stand up for yourself. When a dumbbell like Alison L. Grimes refuses to defend Obamacare or say she voted for Obama even though she was a delegate to the convention that nominated him, people lose respect.

I don't think you have to play dirty, but you do have to show you believe in something, and will defend those beliefs. Refusal to do this has been an issue with Democratic politics for a long time.
 
I don't think you have to play dirty, but you do have to show you believe in something, and will defend those beliefs. Refusal to do this has been an issue with Democratic politics for a long time.

Part of the problem, I think, is that Dem pols are conflicted between their constituents' needs and their campaign donors'. (And those who choose the former against the latter won't last long.)

Pub pols feel no such conflict. (It's still there, but they don't feel it.)
 
George Soros, the owner & operator of today's U.S. Democratic Party, knows all about dirty fighting.

His biggest problem right now is how President Obama has dealt that party a huge blow with his many second term domestic scandals and foreign policy embarrassments, the latest being his decision not to march against Islamic terrorism in Paris, France, with other world leaders.

Obama's press secretary could not explain to the media what the president was doing instead that was so important to keep himself away. I'm guessing it was either a golf game or maybe hanging out with Beyonce & Jay-Z?
 
Popping Tom --- If I prayed to Allah then you would be on my side, because it's common knowledge that liberals fear & respect Islam.

But I guess you've figured out that I'm NOT praying to Allah?

Who ratted me out?
 
George Soros, the owner & operator of today's U.S. Democratic Party . . .

:rolleyes:

. . . knows all about dirty fighting.

Sure, but only in business; not, apparently, in politics.

George Soros:

Bankrolling liberals and wingnut conspiracies

George Soros is a well-known funder of various liberal organizations, including the Center for American Progress, MoveOn.org, and a princely $1 million donation to Media Matters. It was speculated that he gave funds to the Occupy movement in 2011; however, this was proven not the case.[3]

Soros is also an evil spectre for Bill O'Reilly that, Bill believes, funds the liberal media, runs Media Matters, funds ACORN, and is the sole monetary force behind Air America Radio. This paranoia, of course, occurs only in the fantasy universe of Fox News. Glenn Beck concocted a conspiracy theory in which Soros secretly bankrolled communist eastern European regimes despite the fact that he actually supported anti-communist opposition parties in these states. He also accused Soros of collaborating with the Nazis as a Jewish teenager in Nazi-occupied Hungary, when he had in fact been hidden with the Christian family of a government official at the age of 14 to escape persecution.[4]

He is absolutely nothing like the Koch brothers, Richard Mellon Scaife, or any other gazillionaire who gives to conservative causes, because shut up that's why.[5]

Cue the anti-Semitism

Being known as "The Man Who Broke the Bank of England," Soros features in many international Jewish conspiracy theories (and he usually has ties to the Rothschild family, of course).[6] During the 1997-98 southeast Asian financial crisis, Malaysian premier Mahathir bin Mohamad fingered Soros as the head of a Jewish cabal that had caused the crisis. This began a feud[7] between the two that lasted until 2006, when Mahathir apologized.[8]

And, of course, who can forget Glenn Beck's super-duper-original 'puppet master' theory?

. . . the latest being his decision not to march against Islamic terrorism in Paris, France, with other world leaders.

If he had gone, you RWs would be screaming about the waste of time and tax dollars. You always do, whenever Obama leaves the country for any reason.
 
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Every couple of years someone else comes along instructing the SWPLs how to talk to the proles. If it isn't James Carville it's Mudcat Saunders or Jim Wright or whoever. Always the same advice: act like it's 1947 and you grew up drinking out of your dad's beer at the end of the bar while he planned a wildcat strike with the other coal miners. That ship sailed in 1968.
 
Every couple of years someone else comes along instructing the SWPLs how to talk to the proles. If it isn't James Carville it's Mudcat Saunders or Jim Wright or whoever. Always the same advice: act like it's 1947 and you grew up drinking out of your dad's beer at the end of the bar while he planned a wildcat strike with the other coal miners.

No, I think this goes way beyond that.

I call on my fellow liberals to embrace the rough stuff. Engage in battle with people who hate you and feel free to throw crazy right back, even if you only half believe it. Let it out and taste it on the way by. See if it flies. If it doesn’t, screw it — just fix it up next time. Refer to your political opponent as “the honorable shithead from New Jersey.” Use the words, images and for god’s sake, the passion of the street. People who hate and fear you will always hate you unless they die out, change their minds or we can beat them in a heated contest of ideas. You’re not playing checkers — and they’re winning by giving zero shits about reality, so cut the crap and fight like you mean it.

That ship sailed in 1968.

The time when this kind of thing is needed comes 'round and 'round again. It was so in the Gilded Age, it was so in the Depression, and it is so now.
 
No, I think this goes way beyond that.





The time when this kind of thing is needed comes 'round and 'round again. It was so in the Gilded Age, it was so in the Depression, and it is so now.

The people playing dirty in the Gilded Age were as far from today's liberals--the modern extension of the mugwumps--as you can get.
 
The people playing dirty in the Gilded Age were as far from today's liberals--the modern extension of the mugwumps--as you can get.

The people playing dirty in the Gilded Age were labor on the one side and capital on the other.

We already have the latter half of that now, we just need a complete set.
 
And, a different take: "Let’s abandon the Democrats." The author is not suggesting a third party, either:

Our problem isn’t partisan gridlock but the stagnation of a political ecosystem imbalanced by the slow extinction of liberalism. In the shutdown Ted Cruz bestrode the world like a colossus till the Kochs, of all people, rode to the rescue. Wall Street was a major player but labor was invisible and progressives said barely a word. Their silence didn’t strengthen Obama, it weakened him. It was a perfect tableau of politics in our time. When the left goes AWOL, the right goes crazy.

Democrats think they need more money, better ads and a bigger computer. They gripe about Republican wedge issues, but have their own; immigration for Latinos, choice for women, student loans for students. What they need is a blueprint for solving problems that matter to everyone. Since the 19th century, progressive movements have created the blueprints and the public groundswells needed to enact them. Can progressives build such a movement in this century?

They can do it but they’ll have to take a time-out from electoral politics. They must declare their independence from the Democratic Party, its ineffectual politics and its current, clueless leaders. In the fall liberal pundits chastised Democrats who “ran from Obama.” Democrats lost because they couldn’t run from themselves. What they really needed to do was assure voters they saw the flaws in Obama’s program and had a plan to fix it. They didn’t have a plan because progressives never gave them one.

I don't buy it, I think a Tea-Party-Style progressive takeover of the Dems would work better than a third-party bid.
 
Knowledgeable??
He still has no clue who pays tariffs or how to set them. Or shit! What trade is!!

We get one million in goods when we have a “trade deficit” It’s not a debt!

We LIKE buying stuff from other places. Maybe if we have to pay more we will buy less. Will we develop the industry to make those products?? Probably not. Will they build their factories here? Probably not and certainly not at the old price! So when the tariffs FINALLY take effect?? We shall see what happens to prices
 
Hmmm, 10 years gone. My how time flies.

Lying, cheating, falsifying documents and evidence didn't work. Attempted assassination didn't work. Lawfare didn't work.

Is dirtier possible???
 
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