Charlie Hebdo fired a cartoonist for "anti semitism" in 2009

[LadyFunkenstein]

What gives? I find this bizarre. I saw mention of this on a site, googled, and found a relevant article.

Maurice Sinet, 80, who works under the pen name Sine, faces charges of "inciting racial hatred" for a column he wrote last July in the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. The piece sparked a summer slanging match among the Parisian intelligentsia and ended in his dismissal from the magazine.

"L'affaire Sine" followed the engagement of Mr Sarkozy, 22, to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress of an electronic goods chain. Commenting on an unfounded rumour that the president's son planned to convert to Judaism, Sine quipped: "He'll go a long way in life, that little lad.

A high-profile political commentator slammed the column as linking prejudice about Jews and social success. Charlie Hebdo's editor, Philippe Val, asked Sinet to apologise but he refused, exclaiming: "I'd rather cut my balls off."

Mr Val's decision to fire Sine was backed by a group of eminent intellectuals, including the philosopher Bernard-Henry Lévy, but parts of the libertarian Left defended him, citing the right to free speech.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html

I don't get it. You can make fun of muslims but not jews? Can a European give me a point of view from that part of the world that will make sense of this?

Was this a matter of the government quietly cracking down on the magazine, Sarkozy taking things personally? or is there more to the story?

 

[Sean]

Charlie Hebdo's "satire" was more racism than anything else. I posted elsewhere that their stuff was shit, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to publish it. And, especially in France, offending Muslims is fair game, they're the poor, the dispossessed, the powerless.

 

[Tryharder62]

My momma taught me : if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Charlie Hebdo's "satire" was more racism than anything else. I posted elsewhere that their stuff was shit, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to publish it. And, especially in France, offending Muslims is fair game, they're the poor, the dispossessed, the powerless.

So they only made fun of the weak? Never satirized people with power?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

My momma taught me : if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Then why are posting on this thread at all? What is your point, don't have the balls to type what you are thinking?

 

[Beatnic_jazzman]

Cartoon

Did you look up the actual cartoon?
If you had you might not be asking this question.

 

[Sean]

So they only made fun of the weak? Never satirized people with power?

No, they were quite happy to go after French politicians or the Catholic church. But there has been a relentless campaign in a lot of the European press vilifying Muslims. Pandering to the far right in their respective countries. It's happening in the bogroll press in the UK too.

 

[Tryharder62]

Then why are posting on this thread at all? What is your point, don't have the balls to type what you are thinking?

I don't have balls!!!(I am a girl) I just don't see what is gained by these types of cartoons.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Have you seen what some of their remaining staff has said about the outpouring of support?



It was not very nice, nor complimentary and certainly not appreciative.

 

[Busybody]

Have you seen what some of their remaining staff has said about the outpouring of support?



It was not very nice, nor complimentary and certainly not appreciative.

What did they say

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Je Suis Charlie? Not so fast. A cartoonist at the Paris-based satirical magazine says surviving Charlie Hebdo employees are unimpressed by the rising tide of worldwide support.

"We vomit on all these people who suddenly say they are our friends,” Bernard Holtrop, a cartoonist for the satirical weekly, told Dutch daily Volkskrant.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...st-scoffs-vomits-supporters-article-1.2072906

Somebody go vomit on chipbutty for them...

 

[Busybody]

The new Hedbo cover is really offensive....they say

All is forgiven

I think the rest of those assholes should be shot

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"The hate speech laws in France are matters of both civil law and criminal law. Those laws protect individuals and groups from being defamed or insulted because they belong or do not belong, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or because they have a handicap. The laws forbid any communication which is intended to incite discrimination against, hatred of, or harm to, anyone because of his belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or because he or she has a handicap."
Wiki


Where were the free speech fools when these guys were singling out Islam?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

No, they were quite happy to go after French politicians or the Catholic church. But there has been a relentless campaign in a lot of the European press vilifying Muslims. Pandering to the far right in their respective countries. It's happening in the bogroll press in the UK too.

So only jews are sacrosanct? Or was that political?

What does bog roll mean?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Have you seen what some of their remaining staff has said about the outpouring of support?



It was not very nice, nor complimentary and certainly not appreciative.

No, but how is that related to the topic at hand?

 

[bg23]

So only jews are sacrosanct? Or was that political?

What does bog roll mean?

I think they were just hypocritical. For all their crap about "offending everyone" they still had a readership to cater to, and for whatever reason they felt that readership didn't like that one joke and so they did what they had to in order to preserve their audience's goodwill.

In terms of content Charlie Hebdo is the equivalent of 4chan in magazine format. Hideousness for hideousness' sake.

 

[John Doe]

So only jews are sacrosanct? Or was that political?

What does bog roll mean?

A bog roll is a roll of toilet paper, so I guess "bogroll press" refers to tabloids?

 

[Libsam]

I've heard that in some parts of Europe people have been imprisoned for denying the holocaust. Free Speech?

 

[Sean]

I've heard that in some parts of Europe people have been imprisoned for denying the holocaust. Free Speech?

You can sort of understand why the Germans would be a little worried about that.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I think they were just hypocritical. For all their crap about "offending everyone" they still had a readership to cater to, and for whatever reason they felt that readership didn't like that one joke and so they did what they had to in order to preserve their audience's goodwill.

In terms of content Charlie Hebdo is the equivalent of 4chan in magazine format. Hideousness for hideousness' sake.

Who is their core demographic?

 

[Sean]

So only jews are sacrosanct? Or was that political?

What does bog roll mean?

Bog roll is toilet paper. European Jews, as a general rule, tend toward the middle class. It's far less hassle to insult the poor.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Bog roll is toilet paper. European Jews, as a general rule, tend toward the middle class. It's far less hassle to insult the poor.

That is certainly true.

Well it was. I'd say the hassle of insulting the poor turned out to be bigger than expected, in this case.

How about other countries, are most of the Muslim immigrants poor too? In the US, I would not call them poor though I never thought about it until now. Lower income. (That said despite our whining we in the US really don't have many poor people, at least not by my definition.)

 

[Que]

I am assuming that Charlie was Jewish or at the least sympathized with their historical oppression. I am not under the impression that their point of view was universal free-speech promotion. He had a point of view about those that he chose to revile against and he did so. It isn't his duty to be consistent or "fair."

If this was some white supremacist publication that in some odd, parallel universe was attacked by Jews, no one would ask, "Why did they not pillory crackers, as well?"

I think he didn't like Muslims, deliberately offended them, and was killed for it.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I am assuming that Charlie was Jewish or at the least sympathized with their historical oppression. I am not under the impression that their point of view was universal free-speech promotion. He had a point of view about those that he chose to revile against and he did so. It isn't his duty to be consistent or "fair."

If this was some white supremacist publication that in some odd, parallel universe was attacked by Jews, no one would ask, "Why did they not pillory crackers, as well?"

I think he didn't like Muslims, deliberately offended them, and was killed for it.

I am pretty sure there is/was no Charlie. It was not named for its founder.

 

[Kitty]

My momma taught me : if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

I doubt that stops you or anyone.