Our Rules have changed in the UK!

[Handley_Page]

And the row is just starting:-
See HERE.

 

[DesEsseintes]

The strange thing is, NO-ONE seems to support this. Every article I have read, from the right wing Telegraph to the left of centre Indy, is pointing out the massive and obvious flaws, from the fact that it won't affect the Tube sites which are 90%+ of UK porn traffic to the fact that it will push ethical porn underground. The only person I heard trying to defend it was a desperate professor on Women's Hour who didn't know what BDSM was.

It's more legislation no-one asked for or wanted, pushed forward by an unelected government.

 

[Rozalin_0123]

Female ejaculation? Face sitting? Really?

I feel for those in the UK. It's only going to be a slippery slope from here.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

They tried prohibition here in the States...that didn't work out so well.

Isn't this just a new kind of prohibition? The masses...the people really don't want the prohibition, it's just a few politico's pandering to their moral minority.

Didn't Australia try something like this not too long ago? Never heard how that was working out for them.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

That is sad, sad, sad. And, of course, it's all done to "protect the children!"

I can't speak for working conditions in the UK, but here in the states - let's start with a livable wage where every family doesn't need to be a two-income household. Maybe then more of our kids can get the adult supervision they need.

 

[Rozalin_0123]

That is sad, sad, sad. And, of course, it's all done to "protect the children!"

I can't speak for working conditions in the UK, but here in the states - let's start with a livable wage where every family doesn't need to be a two-income household. Maybe then more of our kids can get the adult supervision they need.

Or maybe parents actually start being responsible and do some damn parenting without relying on the government to do it for them. As a parent, few things piss me off more than seeing weak parents.

 

[LeaHarvey1821]

I read this earlier. Most of my stories, which are in the lesbian category, would be a nogo if those rules applied here. It would still be possible to write, but would restrict me so much, I doubt I would enjoy it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Or maybe parents actually start being responsible and do some damn parenting without relying on the government to do it for them. As a parent, few things piss me off more than seeing weak parents.

I'll second that.

Don't get me wrong kids are always going to find a way to take a peek at something they shouldn't, but parents can make it harder on tham and punish them when they do

I'll add again that too bad these people concerned about "the children" don't seem to think there is anything wrong with torture porn horror movies and graphic video game violence. As always only sex is targeted.

Funny because I believe it was Denamrk that had outlawed paorn, then when they made it legal, sex crimes went down. Porn is a harmless fantasy release.

Is it suitable for kids? Of course not, but making it so no one has access to it...yeah that's the answer. Hmmm how many under age kids get their hands on booze? Guess they better ban it.

 

[Handley_Page]

The strange thing is, NO-ONE seems to support this. Every article I have read, from the right wing Telegraph to the left of centre Indy, is pointing out the massive and obvious flaws, from the fact that it won't affect the Tube sites which are 90%+ of UK porn traffic to the fact that it will push ethical porn underground. The only person I heard trying to defend it was a desperate professor on Women's Hour who didn't know what BDSM was.

It's more legislation no-one asked for or wanted, pushed forward by an unelected government.

I heard that Woman's Hour and I nearly crashed the car with my laughter.
The younger of the two interviewees was incoherent and the elder merely daft.
I must find out what happened by way of a reaction.

 

[karaline]

this is quite a funny response

"Saudi ambassador admits shock over ‘prudish’ UK porn laws"

http://newsthump.com/2014/12/03/saudi-ambassador-admits-shock-over-prudish-uk-porn-laws/

 

[DeYaKen]

And the row is just starting:-
See HERE.

Just another example of desperately trying to get every vote you can. "We are not appealing to the net curtain brigade, quick let's ban porn."

"But what about The Sun ? We'll lose Rupert Murdoch's support if we ban nudity"
"OK just ban anything remotely kinky"
We''ve got an election coming folks don't expect anything sensible to come out of Britain until June.

 

[FantasyXY]

The UK has a Department of Culture?

WTF?

How would a department like that go over in the US?

The US Department of Culture hereby bans all un-american activities including the following:

• African Americans are not allowed to eat watermelon
• Asian Americans cannot enroll in math classes
• Mexican Americans are limited to a maximum of three persons per vehicle
• Caucasian Americans are banned from any and all uptight behavior
• All Americans will celebrate the 4th of July, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Any other holiday celebration is prohibited
• All clothing to be worn in public must conform to the USDoC guidelines and can be purchased at JC Penny, Sears, The Gap, or Target. Anyone caught wearing clothing deemed to be ethnic in nature will be publicly stripped and flogged. (Floggings must not be be shown in the UK)

A Department of Culture... Really? This article has to be a joke.

 

[redzinger]

A Department of Culture... Really? This article has to be a joke.

We also have 'Ministry of Justice'.

It sounds like something out of 1984.

 

[oggbashan]

We also have 'Ministry of Justice'.

It sounds like something out of 1984.

We also have a Ministry of Silly Walks.

 

[Learin]

I'll second that.

Don't get me wrong kids are always going to find a way to take a peek at something they shouldn't, but parents can make it harder on tham and punish them when they do

I'll add again that too bad these people concerned about "the children" don't seem to think there is anything wrong with torture porn horror movies and graphic video game violence. As always only sex is targeted.

Funny because I believe it was Denamrk that had outlawed paorn, then when they made it legal, sex crimes went down. Porn is a harmless fantasy release.

Is it suitable for kids? Of course not, but making it so no one has access to it...yeah that's the answer. Hmmm how many under age kids get their hands on booze? Guess they better ban it.

I don't think banning/hiding something like pornography or sex is the answer to the issue. They'll always find a way to sneak around the system.

I think a child/person should be given proper knowledge about things (like Sex Education and stuff like that) and made understand the science behind it, rather than preach some moral dogma of "you should do this and you shouldn't do that". Parents should be frank about such stuff and shouldn't hide these things from children, especially when they're on the onset of puberty and begin to mature sexually.


/blabber.

 

[Kitty]

That's fucking stupid. Cutting smut out of porn because it's too sexual? It's porn. That's just stupid. That's like cutting calculus out of school because people find it too hard. It's school. If a kid wanders onto a porn site I doubt whether it was soft or not will be less traumatizing. If it's for any other reasons I was too bored to read about, eh.

 

[Bramblethorn]

The strange thing is, NO-ONE seems to support this. Every article I have read, from the right wing Telegraph to the left of centre Indy, is pointing out the massive and obvious flaws, from the fact that it won't affect the Tube sites which are 90%+ of UK porn traffic to the fact that it will push ethical porn underground. The only person I heard trying to defend it was a desperate professor on Women's Hour who didn't know what BDSM was.

It's more legislation no-one asked for or wanted, pushed forward by an unelected government.

Male ejaculation: ok. Female ejaculation: banned. Guy face-fucking a woman: ok. Woman sitting on a man's face: banned. So in the process of "fixing" porn to Protect The Women (whether they want it or not), they're actually codifying some of its existing biases...

They tried prohibition here in the States...that didn't work out so well.

Isn't this just a new kind of prohibition? The masses...the people really don't want the prohibition, it's just a few politico's pandering to their moral minority.

Didn't Australia try something like this not too long ago? Never heard how that was working out for them.

Yeah, both major parties have tried some pretty stupid bullshit with porn laws, but I don't remember all the details - given that 99% of the net is hosted overseas and they're not yet blocking much of that, it doesn't make much difference to what's available here. This may change; our government is currently defunding science and education so they can pay priests to learn "Theology and Practice of Natural Birth Control". Some sort of moral panic Ban The Porn crusade would be right up their alley.

"Violent" porn is out, which precludes a lot of BDSM - I think the rule is that you can't have sex and violence in the same video. There was a bizarre thing with that "Pirates" movie where they had to sell it on two DVDs, one with the sexual content and the other with the violence.

And our Classification Board has been known to ban material with actresses who "look underage" (read: small tits, even when the producer has verified that they're well over 18 and has records to prove it).

One of the big problems with these attempts to ban "non-consensual" content is confusing appearance with reality. Yeah, there's abuse in the industry, but it's just as likely to be with the stuff that looks vanilla.

 

[oggbashan]

The Isle of Man will be the favoured location for making porn movies in British English.

Or perhaps Scotland now they will have more devolved powers?

Watch out for kilted men being facesat by redheads swigging Irn Bru...

 

[oggbashan]

Years ago, when porn videos were on VHS (or Beta) tape, some locals decided that it miight be profitable to import some hard core ones from The Netherlands.

A couple of them went to Amsterdam and met a wholesaler. They viewed samples and bought hundreds - paying in cash. That wasn't illegal in Amsterdam. But it would have been illegal for the wholesaler to sell them if he knew they were to be imported into England.

They thought they had found a foolproof way of importing them into England. They had persuaded the captain of a coasting ship carrying stone up The Thames Estuary to take the videos. They would come out in a small fishing boat and collect the videos, lowered from the ship as it passed.

The wholesaler delivered the videos in sealed waterproof packages to the ship's captain - again not illegal because the ship was moored alongside in The Netherlands. If they were viewed on a Dutch ship there was no problem.

Unfortunately one of the locals boasted about their forthcoming coup in a local public house and the wrong person overheard him. The information was given to HM Customs and Excise.

On the day the local men went out in a hired fishing boat, came alongside the Dutch ship, and the packages were safely transferred from the side of the ship that was furthest from the shore. They pretended to fish for another hour and headed back to shore.

They were met by the Police and HM Customs and Excise who had been watching them from the upper floor of a seaside public house - the same one. They were arrested and questioned. The sealed packages were seized as evidence. The Dutch ship's captain was to be arrested when he arrived at his UK destination.

The locals were facing an appearance in court until one of the Excisemen opened a package, then all the packages.

They were full of videos boldly labelled with enticing descriptions of hard core porn, but when put into the public house's video machine, they turned out to be poor quality copies of children's cartoons such as Tom and Jerry, dubbed into Dutch. None of the videos was remotely sexual.

The order to arrest the ship's captain was hurriedly rescinded. It is not a crime to import secondhand children's cartoons. The locals were released without charge - wiser but far poorer.

Even now, decades later, mentioning children's videos in their presence causes violent swearing and much laughter at their expense.

 

[PayDay]

I posts 1-14 & 17, 18, 19 of this thread.

Just sayin.

 

[StrangeLife]

The most perplexing about this issue is not the law itself, but the fact that some people still seem to be under the impression that a law like that is even feasible. A law you can't enforce is worth less than the paper it is written on.

 

[PayDay]

The most perplexing about this issue is not the law itself, but the fact that some people still seem to be under the impression that a law like that is even feasible. A law you can't enforce is worth less than the paper it is written on.

Agreed. "I do not believe you can regulate evil out of the hearts of men."

It's definately a parental responsibility issue.

 

[DeYaKen]

The most perplexing about this issue is not the law itself, but the fact that some people still seem to be under the impression that a law like that is even feasible. A law you can't enforce is worth less than the paper it is written on.

If the law was about regulating porn, I would agree with you, but it is not. It's about winning votes.
The sound bite goes
"We are protecting children. Last December we passed a law outlawing large swathes of pornographic material on the internet."
They know it's unenforceable but that doesn't matter because no one will be given the chance to question the statement. Surely your politicians do similar things.

 

[oggbashan]

The most perplexing about this issue is not the law itself, but the fact that some people still seem to be under the impression that a law like that is even feasible. A law you can't enforce is worth less than the paper it is written on.

All it might do is stop people producing porn videos in the UK because they couldn't raise the finance.

It is supposed to bring porn videos in line with legislation on normal movies with ratings for content. There now has to be a rating system on them. But it goes too far by banning some content altogether.

It isn't a 'law'. It is a set of regulations issued under an existing Act of Parliament so it didn't have to pass the hurdles necessary for a new law.

 

[PayDay]

All it might do is stop people producing porn videos in the UK because they couldn't raise the finance.

It is supposed to bring porn videos in line with legislation on normal movies with ratings for content. There now has to be a rating system on them. But it goes too far by banning some content altogether.

It isn't a 'law'. It is a set of regulations issued under an existing Act of Parliament so it didn't have to pass the hurdles necessary for a new law.

'Executive Order' so to speak?