So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

[Joeybagadonuts]

Find AJs errors. The ones he hasn't edited.

First let me point out that your question is of poor construction. I went the FBI site and looked at some breakdowns and in total number of crimes, it goes back and forth as to who commits the most which gives you an argument against what you think the OP said. However, went you compare numbers as a ratio, crimes over population, the black demographic wins hands down. Now I saw on page one or two the claim that FBI statistics never ever mention race and that was then assumed to be an a prori statement, but it I found it, then it cannot be a true statement or a valid premise for any logical construction, therefore, YOU need to make your case, not I.

Now, a partial answer to the question as I interpreted it, not raw numbers, which are not altogether truthful, but as a ratio which tells a grim and disturbing story.

Because as I have expounded upon many times, white Liberals simply refuse to let them grow up and encourage and foster their anti-social behavior in the guise of tolerance, diversity and understanding and then the offer them the hope of one-size fits all plans to improve their lot, that are variations on Bastiat's Broken Window fallacy that leads them, for appearance sake, to taking one step forward while ignoring the eventual two steps taken backwards once they move on to the next patronizing plan.

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But, as I pointed out, you are not engaging in conversation, but the same behavior. You're not offering any thought or idea, what you are doing is eliciting a response in order that you may begin your next attack.

To me, it indicates one of two things: a mind closed or a mind unsure and insecure.

Both states have the same cause - the underdeveloped liberal ideology of moral relativism and the shaky and contradictory compartmentalization of which it is comprised.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=773814

This yours, own it, bitch.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Go back and read the op. He stated that black people who comprise 13% of the population commit 50% of the violent crimes in the US. I don't contest that statement. However, I asked the op why he thinks that black people commit so much violent crime. I heard all the typical racist bullshit from him, you and the other right wing loons. But none of you will admit, I as I contend that our failed criminal justice system is the cause, not genetics or all the social symptoms cited by you and the other racists.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

You went back to correct your spelling mistake.

*lmao*

AJ, do you deny that you went back and corrected the word "sophisms" after you busted my balls over sentence construction?

The fist time you spelled if sofisms.

but of course, you are so concerned about your GB rep that you will again accuse me of lying.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

he's a professional drunk, he was a government worker. I'm sure he drank on the job

now he's fucking over the tax payer by stealing tax payer money aka pension ponzi

Are you drunk.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Those fuck-ups are yours.

You're too funny.

Don't bother me anymore.

pathetic government asshole...if only you were man enough to find a real job

you should be ashamed, collection off that pension ponzi

 

[Disgustipated]

If = it?

 

[Littlefinger]

AJ, do you deny that you went back and corrected the word "sophisms" after you busted my balls over sentence construction?

The fist time you spelled if sofisms.

but of course, you are so concerned about your GB rep that you will again accuse me of lying.

I was really hoping that a constructive conversation about race relations would involve analyzing member's posts for spelling errors. Feels like we're finally getting somewhere.

 

[Que]

AJ, do you deny that you went back and corrected the word "sophisms" after you busted my balls over sentence construction?

The fist time you spelled if sofisms.

but of course, you are so concerned about your GB rep that you will again accuse me of lying.

That is a fairly egregious error!

So...you say he went back and edited it, did he? Corrected his spelling??

Did he do it before you could gotcha it?

That, my friend is dirty pool. I recommend he be given a 30 day suspension to think about what he has done.

I was really hoping that a constructive conversation about race relations would involve analyzing member's posts for spelling errors. Feels like we're finally getting somewhere.

There you go being all interested in the actual topic at hand and stuff!

Pshhaw, I say!

I think if you will take the time to carefully analyze the red pencil marks it will be clear who had the most errors and who pointed out what sort of error first!

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

I was trying to have an HONEST conversation on the topic. No name calling or cheap shots, but once I realized that it wasn't going to happen I decided to have fun with AJs hipocricy.

 

[Littlefinger]

I think if you will take the time to carefully analyze the red pencil marks it will be clear who had the most errors and who pointed out what sort of error first!

Yeah, I know but after a while it's just "come on, ffs!" Get your dicks out of your hands for 2 seconds. If you're gonna throw mud and dirt at each other, might as well make it a handful, son!

 

[Que]

There you see, the other fellow started it!

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So what do you figg'r the adaptation was for in the first place? Northerners were wearing furs and didn't need the melanin protection?

I read something recently that made me realize why I have blue eyes, they see better in the dark. Shorter days I figure?

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Yeah, I know but after a while it's just "come on, ffs!" Get your dicks out of your hands for 2 seconds. If you're gonna throw mud and dirt at each other, might as well make it a handful, son!

Did you notice that just above you I posted a paragraph on topic and no one has responded?

 

[Ishmael]

Go back and read the op. He stated that black people who comprise 13% of the population commit 50% of the violent crimes in the US. I don't contest that statement. However, I asked the op why he thinks that black people commit so much violent crime. I heard all the typical racist bullshit from him, you and the other right wing loons. But none of you will admit, I as I contend that our failed criminal justice system is the cause, not genetics or all the social symptoms cited by you and the other racists.

No you didn't you little cocksucker. And everything I wrote is still here, unedited.

You asked what I thought. I think it's no coincidence that black crime skyrocketed with the creation of the welfare state. But in your demented world inconvenient facts related inconveniently are 'racist.' Get a clue, facts just are. They have no motives or prejudices.

And that crime overwhelmingly effects the black community. They are victimizing each other. How can that be the fault of the racist white? It would seem to me that if that were the case the majority of victims of crimes perpetrated by the blacks would be white. They would be getting back at their 'oppressors.' But that just isn't the case.

Now feel free to explain how the criminal justice system is at fault. You might even find that I'll agree with one or more of your points.

Ishmael

 

[Littlefinger]

Did you notice that just above you I posted a paragraph on topic and no one has responded?

You mean the one where you declared yourself the winner because anything other than the slim definition you provided makes them racists, in between two posts talking about grammatical and spelling errors? Yeah, not sure why no one responded to that.

Edit: spoke too soon. Ish was on the case.

 

[Que]

Did you notice that just above you I posted a paragraph on topic and no one has responded?

Your entire contribution to this thread has been to repeatedly ask an inane, leading question that no one on earth has an actual. complete answer for. The partial answers given are inadequate to you so you repeat it again.

Asked and answered, counselor. Move along.

You have BARELY stated your non-answer to your own question that it is the "failed prison system." Last I checked you have to be convicted of a crime before they send you there to learn to be a better criminal, so it cannot possibly be the root cause of crime.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

No you didn't you little cocksucker. And everything I wrote is still here, unedited.

You asked what I thought. I think it's no coincidence that black crime skyrocketed with the creation of the welfare state. But in your demented world inconvenient facts related inconveniently are 'racist.' Get a clue, facts just are. They have no motives or prejudices.

And that crime overwhelmingly effects the black community. They are victimizing each other. How can that be the fault of the racist white? It would seem to me that if that were the case the majority of victims of crimes perpetrated by the blacks would be white. They would be getting back at their 'oppressors.' But that just isn't the case.

Now feel free to explain how the criminal justice system is at fault. You might even find that I'll agree with one or more of your points.

Ishmael

Do you find name calling to be the very best way to demonstrate your intellectual superiority?

 

[Ishmael]

Do you find name calling to be the very best way to demonstrate your intellectual superiority?

I find it appropriate at times, like when you tie me in as a racist.

Ishmael

 

[Sean Renaud]

Your entire contribution to this thread has been to repeatedly ask an inane, leading question that no one on earth has an actual. complete answer for. The partial answers given are inadequate to you so you repeat it again.

Asked and answered, counselor. Move along.

You have BARELY stated your non-answer to your own question that it is the "failed prison system." Last I checked you have to be convicted of a crime before they send you there to learn to be a better criminal, so it cannot possibly be the root cause of crime.

That doesn't make you guilty, just convicted. Even if it does it becomes a loop very quickly.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

You mean the one where you declared yourself the winner because anything other than the slim definition you provided makes them racists, in between two posts talking about grammatical and spelling errors? Yeah, not sure why no one responded to that.

Edit: spoke too soon. Ish was on the case.

I’m don’t intend to address all racial problems just the point made in the op about 13% committing 50% of the violent crimes. You and the rest of society deserve to be safe from criminals. Law abiding black people who are economically forced to live in high crime neighborhoods deserve to be safe too. Everyone, including me wants violent people off the streets. The problem is that no one wants to deal with the ramifications of the results of removing criminals from society. Most people who go to prison will eventually be released. Few people come out better when they went in. Life is cheap in prison and they have a set of values that most people have no idea.

The reason that the hood is so violent is because those values come out of prison. We pay tax dollars for a failed correctional system that impacts society in ways that no one wants to recognize.

As for the rest, it didn’t start in the 70s because of black exploitation films. It started when Jim Crow was legally dismantled and resurrected by Nixon and Reagan’s miserable failure of a drug war.

Just like the homeless, people want them to just go away. You can't incarcerate people and think that that is the end of the problem.

 

[Que]

That doesn't make you guilty, just convicted. Even if it does it becomes a loop very quickly.

I realize there are miscarriages of justice, but believe it or not not every white guy that gets off is guilty, and not every brown one that is convicted is innocent.

More guilt people are convicted by a huge margin than the even possibly maybe not guilty ones. Our system errs towards letting the guilty walk.

It is fair to consider whether we ought have as many laws as we do but that is not the argument you are making. Make the other argument, not even about disproportionate enforcement, disproportionate sentencing and I will argue you don't go far enough. We ought not be concerned with what people decide to ingest in a society where killing a fetus is legal. No one can say my body my choice, your body, lemme get a blood test.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

I realize there are miscarriages of justice, but believe it or not not every white guy that gets off is guilty, and not every brown one that is convicted is innocent.

More guilt people are convicted by a huge margin than the even possibly maybe not guilty ones. Our system errs towards letting the guilty walk.

It is fair to consider whether we ought have as many laws as we do but that is not the argument you are making. Make the other argument, not even about disproportionate enforcement, disproportionate sentencing and I will argue you don't go far enough. We ought not be concerned with what people decide to ingest in a society where killing a fetus is legal. No one can say my body my choice, your body, lemme get a blood test.

Alright, you gave me a response without being snarky so I will respond in kind. What you say is true but you're missing my point. 13% of the population commits 50% of the violent crimes because, prisons are violent and everyone has to change their values to survive. Most of the people who go to prison come out worse and more violent. We as a society are making the violent crime worse than it has to be.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I realize there are miscarriages of justice, but believe it or not not every white guy that gets off is guilty, and not every brown one that is convicted is innocent.

More guilt people are convicted by a huge margin than the even possibly maybe not guilty ones. Our system errs towards letting the guilty walk.

It is fair to consider whether we ought have as many laws as we do but that is not the argument you are making. Make the other argument, not even about disproportionate enforcement, disproportionate sentencing and I will argue you don't go far enough. We ought not be concerned with what people decide to ingest in a society where killing a fetus is legal. No one can say my body my choice, your body, lemme get a blood test.

I didn't say every white guy who gets off his guilty or every brown one convicted is innocent. Thought we do know that more likely that not if those errors are going to be made that exactly how they will be made.

We have no way of knowing if more guilty people are convicted by any real margin but I'll accept your premise. (Though since our system rewards cops who make arrests and prosecutors who put people away once the system starts moving it's rigged to go through to completion. )

While yes I would make the argument that we have too many (or more accurately the wrong laws enforced for the wrong reasons) correct I wasn't making that. Nor was talking about disproportionate enforcement or sentencing at the moment though both of those a huge problem.

Killing a fetus should be legal but that's entirely beside the point.

The point was at a very real point it stops mattering where the cycle started. Whether it was blacks committing a lot of crimes, being taken from their families, their families having economic hardships that lead to them commiting crimes of desperation, when they got out of jail they had a record and were unable to get work it stops mattering.

Let's go to the Middle East. I don't think an argument can be made that we didn't fuck the Middle East with the way we carved up the Ottoman Empire. Or lots of what we did over the following decades. That doesn't justify 9/11 but we do know why people in that general region have beef. We responded with two wars (justifed or not) that killed upwards of a million, tortured a few and it continues to this day. They occasionally manage to pull something off depending on if what you believe happened with any given scenario. Then we bomb them again.

At a very real point it stops mattering who started this, it becomes necessary to admit that there is a problem and it needs solving.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I find it appropriate at times, like when you tie me in as a racist.

Ishmael

Ishmael, I seriously try not to tag anyone as a racist who doesn't deserve it. Your buddies JamesBJohnson and AJ, for example, are not racist but they do enjoy race baiting to get a rise out of people.

You, however, are a racist to the very core of your cancer-ridden body.

 

[Que]

I didn't say every white guy who gets off his guilty or every brown one convicted is innocent. Thought we do know that more likely that not if those errors are going to be made that exactly how they will be made.

We have no way of knowing if more guilty people are convicted by any real margin but I'll accept your premise. (Though since our system rewards cops who make arrests and prosecutors who put people away once the system starts moving it's rigged to go through to completion. )

While yes I would make the argument that we have too many (or more accurately the wrong laws enforced for the wrong reasons) correct I wasn't making that. Nor was talking about disproportionate enforcement or sentencing at the moment though both of those a huge problem.

Killing a fetus should be legal but that's entirely beside the point.

The point was at a very real point it stops mattering where the cycle started. Whether it was blacks committing a lot of crimes, being taken from their families, their families having economic hardships that lead to them commiting crimes of desperation, when they got out of jail they had a record and were unable to get work it stops mattering.

Let's go to the Middle East. I don't think an argument can be made that we didn't fuck the Middle East with the way we carved up the Ottoman Empire. Or lots of what we did over the following decades. That doesn't justify 9/11 but we do know why people in that general region have beef. We responded with two wars (justifed or not) that killed upwards of a million, tortured a few and it continues to this day. They occasionally manage to pull something off depending on if what you believe happened with any given scenario. Then we bomb them again.

At a very real point it stops mattering who started this, it becomes necessary to admit that there is a problem and it needs solving.

The problems outlined in the original post can only be solved by the communities with the violence problem. No government outreach or program sis going to help. Enforcement is about as aggressive as it can be, so that won't help, obviously and I will even grant you that it may be exacerbating the problem.

Easing off enforcement of violent felonies is no answer.

Leaving more people at home by abandoning prohibition is the only viable assistance I can think of from outside. That will have some unintended negative consequences, but the ones I can foresee seem small. I do not think that if drugs were legal a substantial number of people will do them. They get drugs inside of prison if they want them.

 

[Que]

Alright, you gave me a response without being snarky so I will respond in kind. What you say is true but you're missing my point. 13% of the population commits 50% of the violent crimes because, prisons are violent and everyone has to change their values to survive. Most of the people who go to prison come out worse and more violent. We as a society are making the violent crime worse than it has to be.

Prisons may well exacerbate the problem that is now endemic in these neighborhoods but the prison did not initiate that cycle.

As I have pointed out and Ish has pointed out even before the war on drugs, 1964 happened, and the resultant decay of the black nuclear family.