Mr. Speaker! We Need To Get Back To Benghazi

[Que Va]

Truth trumps bullshit eh.

Yes it does. Unless you are calling Bill Clinton a liar about his decision process.

Since the quote I added as soon as I could find it is a page back I will add it here again:

So we tried to be quite aggressive with them [al Qaeda]. We got – well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we’d been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, ’cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn’t and that’s how he wound up in Afghanistan.

Right-Wing Wackos over at the CBS Early show:

Let's talk about what President Clinton had to say on Fox yesterday. He basically laid blame at the feet of the CIA and the FBI for not being able to certify or verify that Osama bin Laden was responsible for a number of different attacks. Does that ring true to you?

No, sir, I don't think so. The president seems to be able, the former president seems to be able to deny facts with impugnity. Bin Laden is alive today because Mr. Clinton, Mr. Sandy Berger, and Mr. Richard Clarke refused to kill him. That's the bottom line. And every time he says what he said to Chris Wallace on Fox, he defames the CIA especially, and the men and women who risk their lives to give his administration repeated chances to kill bin Laden.

Michael Scheuer went onto be more specific on a Fox interview but you will go lalalalala and cover your ears if I quote that.

Wahington Free Beacon quoting the Philadelphia Inquirer;

Dick Polman of the Philadelphia Inquirer wrote in 2002 that Clinton “spurned Sudan’s offer [in 1996] to hand over bin Laden because the United States lacked enough evidence to indict him.”

This, Polman noted, would prompt Mansoor Ijez, a Clinton friend who had sought to negotiate the deal with Sudan, to lament, “Clinton’s failure to grasp the opportunity … represents one of the most serious policy failures in American history.” [...]

Retired Air Force Lt. Col. Robert “Buzz” Patterson, author of Dereliction of Duty:

[Berger] picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the president. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk [missile] crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn’t get the commander in chief on the line…

Finally, the president accepted Berger’s call. There was discussion, there were pauses – and no decision. The president wanted to talk with his secretaries of Defense and State. He wanted to study the issue further. Berger was forced to wait. The clock was ticking. The president eventually called back. He was still indecisive. He wanted more discussion…

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Yes it does. Unless you are calling Bill Clinton a liar about his decision process.

Since the quote I added as soon as I could find it is a page back I will add it here again:

Nice quote, which has nothing to do with the topic of congress' constant attacks against Clinton for trying to fight terrorists including Bin Laden. Cruise missile strikes in the Sudan and Afghanistan trying to get him were met with the quotes I posted previously.

It does explain why he wasn't trying to capture and bring him back to the US though.

 

[Que Va]

Nice quote, which has nothing to do with the topic of congress' constant attacks against Clinton for trying to fight terrorists including Bin Laden. Cruise missile strikes in the Sudan and Afghanistan trying to get him were met with the quotes I posted previously.

It does explain why he wasn't trying to capture and bring him back to the US though.

The cruise missile strikes were not at all aimed at Bin Laden. They were aimed at abandoned aspirin factory in the Sudan and who-knows-what in Afghanistan. At a million dollars apiece and no humans hit, its a safe bet he was wagging the dog just as accused in your quotes which of course happened AFTER he did his feckless feint.

To say that the mean, mean words uttered AFTER he took a non-action were the reason he passed up multiple chances prior to those mean, mean words to put a sniper on bin laden himself is beyond deflection.

 

[Que Va]

Bill Clinton will not be on the ballot but his wife will be. Hilary Clinton who's claim to experience is a hands on first lady including some involvement in us being in Somalia in the first place.

Rand Paul draws the apt parallel that troops in Mogadishu requested armor, Aspin the Dec Def did not send it. He was forced to resign for the deaths of those men at the Battle of Mogadishu.

Ambassador Stevens asked for additional security, Sec State Clinton did not send it. She kept her job and Phrodeau says "there was no wrong-doing."

The point of all of the foregoing is that "Bush should have killed Bin Laden" is a ludicrous defense.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And that's how she treats her close friends, which she swore Stevens was at his funeral...

 

[Que Va]

And that's how she treats her close friends, which she swore Stevens was at his funeral...

To give her credit, she did say she was ready for a 3am call, but did not specify the timezone.

I kind of think it is a mistake to bother with highlighting her dereliction of duty. I think anyone that doesn't like Democrats in charge should root for a contentious primary that she wins.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm looking forward to the parade of clown car college undergrads taking the stage along with the Crustaceous Generation...

 

[Busybody]

Bill Clinton will not be on the ballot but his wife will be. Hilary Clinton who's claim to experience is a hands on first lady including some involvement in us being in Somalia in the first place.

Rand Paul draws the apt parallel that troops in Mogadishu requested armor, Aspin the Dec Def did not send it. He was forced to resign for the deaths of those men at the Battle of Mogadishu.

Ambassador Stevens asked for additional security, Sec State Clinton did not send it. She kept her job and Phrodeau says "there was no wrong-doing."

The point of all of the foregoing is that "Bush should have killed Bin Laden" is a ludicrous defense.

Cunt Clinton is the OLD CAR smell

 

[Busybody]

I Believe.....these People

Benghazi Security Team Forcefully Disagrees With New House Intel Report: We WERE Told To “Stand Down”


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Via PJ Media:


Saturday on C-SPAN’s Book TV, CIA Benghazi annex security team members Kris Paronto and Mark Geist answered questions about a report released Friday by the House Intelligence Committee on the 9/11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in 2012. The two former CIA contractors pushed back forcefully against parts of the the committee’s conclusions about the night that Ambassador Chris Stevens, U.S. Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith, and CIA contractors Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed in Benghazi.

The report by the U.S. House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), chaired by Republican Rep. Mike Rogers, concluded that “the CIA ensured sufficient security for CIA facilities in Benghazi” and that “appropriate U.S. personnel made reasonable tactical decisions that night.” The committee “found no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support.” The report, according to the House Intelligence Committee, is meant to serve as the “definitive House statement on the Intelligence Community’s activities before, during, and after the tragic events that caused the deaths of four brave Americans” so that the American public can separate “facts from the swirl of rumors and unsubstantiated allegations.”

Kris “Tanto” Paronto, co-author of the book 13 Hours: The Inside Account of What Really Happened in Benghazi, reacted to the report on Twitter Friday night and Saturday morning, prior to the C-SPAN interview:



Paronto continued:


“We were told to stand down. We were delayed for approximately 27 minutes on our compound,” he said. “We do not know, as far as outside of our chain of command outside Libya, where that came from. We know that the stand down orders and the waits and the delays came from Libya. Came from chief of station, chief of base. Whether it came from anybody higher, we don’t answer that. We don’t know. And we’d like to know, but we have no idea.”

Paronto specifically reported they were told to stand down to Mike Rogers, one of the people behind this new House Report.


“Ma’am,” Paronto said, “during the House intel subcommittee I looked at Mike Rogers in the eyes and I said, ‘If we would have not been delayed — which, we were delayed three times — that we would have saved the ambassador’s life and Sean Smith’s life.’” He added, “Why he came out with the report, I don’t know what to tell you on that. You’re going to have to ask him. What we said in the book is what happened on the ground and that is the truth.”

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Cunt Clinton is the OLD CAR smell

Model T...



Smothered in Fabreeze.

 

[phrodeau]

Benghazi Security Team Forcefully Disagrees With New House Intel Report: We WERE Told To “Stand Down”


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Via PJ Media:


Saturday on C-SPAN’s Book TV, CIA Benghazi annex security team members Kris Paronto and Mark Geist answered questions about a report released Friday by the House Intelligence Committee on the 9/11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in 2012. The two former CIA contractors pushed back forcefully against parts of the the committee’s conclusions about the night that Ambassador Chris Stevens, U.S. Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith, and CIA contractors Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed in Benghazi.

The report by the U.S. House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), chaired by Republican Rep. Mike Rogers, concluded that “the CIA ensured sufficient security for CIA facilities in Benghazi” and that “appropriate U.S. personnel made reasonable tactical decisions that night.” The committee “found no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support.” The report, according to the House Intelligence Committee, is meant to serve as the “definitive House statement on the Intelligence Community’s activities before, during, and after the tragic events that caused the deaths of four brave Americans” so that the American public can separate “facts from the swirl of rumors and unsubstantiated allegations.”

Kris “Tanto” Paronto, co-author of the book 13 Hours: The Inside Account of What Really Happened in Benghazi, reacted to the report on Twitter Friday night and Saturday morning, prior to the C-SPAN interview:



Paronto continued:


“We were told to stand down. We were delayed for approximately 27 minutes on our compound,” he said. “We do not know, as far as outside of our chain of command outside Libya, where that came from. We know that the stand down orders and the waits and the delays came from Libya. Came from chief of station, chief of base. Whether it came from anybody higher, we don’t answer that. We don’t know. And we’d like to know, but we have no idea.”

Paronto specifically reported they were told to stand down to Mike Rogers, one of the people behind this new House Report.


“Ma’am,” Paronto said, “during the House intel subcommittee I looked at Mike Rogers in the eyes and I said, ‘If we would have not been delayed — which, we were delayed three times — that we would have saved the ambassador’s life and Sean Smith’s life.’” He added, “Why he came out with the report, I don’t know what to tell you on that. You’re going to have to ask him. What we said in the book is what happened on the ground and that is the truth.”

"But you've gotta believe us. We have books to sell."

 

[RobDownSouth]

"But you've gotta believe us. We have books to sell."

Funny how Tanto declined to testify under oath to Congress.

As recently as last September he said he was ready, willing and able to testify.

Of course, Tanto has sold a lot of books by claiming on Breitbart that he "bravely" broke the (non-existent) "stand down order
:nods:

 

[KingOrfeo]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...eared-cia-full-crap-senator-article-1.2020820

Senator Lindsey Graham says the committee's report is "full of crap". And he is an authority when it comes to crap.

The committee’s report, released Friday after a two-year compilation process, also dismissed any possibility that there was an intelligence failure during the attack — in which four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, died — and found there was no delay in attempting to rescue the building’s staff.

The report, however, did find that the compound was not sufficiently protected and that the intelligence, immediately following the attack, about who planned it and carried it out, was contradictory, leading then-Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice to share inaccurate information. Rice, the report found, did not intentionally mislead the public.

Some Republicans have contended that White House officials attempted to cover up a mishandling of the episode to curtail political damage ahead of President Obama’s 2012 reelection bid.

Six prior investigations by an array of congressional committees and State Department panels have come to similar conclusions and have also ruled out a cover-up.

Graham, who has long been a vocal opponent of the handling of the deadly episode by the State Department and the intelligence community, was clearly unhappy that the investigation uncovered no wrongdoing and vowed that another ongoing inquiry into the incident — the eighth in total and being carried out by a House Select Committee — could be more successful.

The report that counts is the Select Committee report on Benghazi. They have better tools to get to the truth.

What tools have they that all the other investigations had not?

 

[cjh]

What tools have they that all the other investigations had not?

Lindsey Graham has always been a tool.

 

[possum123]

Maybe if Hillary is elected president they will bring back everything they stole when they left the last time.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I think anyone that doesn't like Democrats in charge should root for a contentious primary that she wins.

But, that would end with Democrats in charge. You know there's not a single Pub in the field who could put up a serious fight against HRC. Elizabeth Warren, OTOH, would not be guaranteed to take it in a walk.

 

[RobDownSouth]

What tools have they that all the other investigations had not?

Funny how he has repeated this as a mantra, but always hightails it when asked for specifics.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Funny how you're always full of shit.

Funny how you're not man enough to accept the House committee's findings.

But then, "not man enough" seems to be a phrase that has followed you throughout your entire life.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'm looking forward to the parade of clown car college undergrads taking the stage along with the Crustaceous Generation...

I can't wait for the GOP primaries either.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I accept their findings as findings that exonerate the intelligence assets they are joined at the hip with. I accept their findings as findings developed from the false testimony they were subject to by administration officials lying to protect Obama and Hillary. Their report shields the intelligence community.

Now we hear the caveats, excuses and rationalizations we have to come to expect from the typical Vietnam-era Marine.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

I accept their findings as findings that exonerate the intelligence assets they are joined at the hip with. I accept their findings as findings developed from the false testimony they were subject to by administration officials lying to protect Obama and Hillary. Their report shields the intelligence community.

It isn't their charge to get to the bottom of the Benghazi scandal itself. It is the job of the Select Committee. They will file the definitive report.

You left out final. They say it will be the "Final, and definitive report".

When the Select Committee's report details the same findings as the House Intel Committee then you will be among the first to call for a Permanent Committee to investigate ad nauseum. Because they Select Committee WILL have the same findings, after making a whole lot of noise about nothing. Because in reality, they can't do anything else without making the House leadership, and the House Intel Committee (also lead by Republicans) look like morons. Trey Gowdy's "investigation" will be all sound and fury but in the end signify nothing.

So far they've had ONE hearing, and nothing scheduled for the future. Should we set aside some time for mid to late 2015, early 2016? You know, so they have some time to gin up some outrage before the Presidential elections.