2014 Negro Hunting Season in Missouri

[jacktar48]

It's clearly time for a cat picture.

This is why people who live with cats don't need smoke detectors.

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=e293444192&view=att&th=14817f35248c779f&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw&atsh=1

 

[Disgustipated]

Summed up so well.

Nailed it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I read Tennessee vs Garner. Its a 1985 decision by the liberal majority of the US Supreme Court. Two cops killed a fleeing 15 year old burglar.

If a cop has probable cause to believe a fleeing felony suspect poses a physical threat to himself or others the cop can drop the suspect like a hot rock using any force necessary to make the arrest.

Next lets look at what unarmed means.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

"To prove a defendant guilty of unarmed robbery, the prosecution needs to prove that the defendant used force and violence, put the victim in fear, and took money or property from the victim’s direct control."

How about spouse abuse and domestic violence? Can a cop shoot you if youre beating the snot outta your partner? Mom? Detox nurse? Road rage?

 

[RobDownSouth]

"To prove a defendant guilty of unarmed robbery, the prosecution needs to prove that the defendant used force and violence, put the victim in fear, and took money or property from the victim’s direct control."

How about spouse abuse and domestic violence? Can a cop shoot you if youre beating the snot outta your partner? Mom? Detox nurse? Road rage?

Maybe you missed it above, cops got these doo-hickeys they call tasers now. They work pretty damned well, or so I'm told.

 

[about_average]

You are aptly named; once again, thanks for your thought-provoking and stimulating posts.

 

[about_average]

Maybe you missed it above, cops got these doo-hickeys they call tasers now. They work pretty damned well, or so I'm told.

Not always.
http://youtu.be/0KiZav6deMs

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not always.
http://youtu.be/0KiZav6deMs

Anecdata. In the vast majority of cases, a taser will stop someone. Nothing is 100%, as Officer Panicbutton in Ferguson proved: he needed six shots to bring down the rampaging #ScaryBlackMan

 

[Lancecastor]

"At least nearly possibly 6"

Or 11

 

[RobDownSouth]

"At least nearly possibly 6"

Or 11

How many is that in the metric system?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Anecdata. In the vast majority of cases, a taser will stop someone. Nothing is 100%, as Officer Panicbutton in Ferguson proved: he needed six shots to bring down the rampaging #ScaryBlackMan

As you have conceded, a taser doesn't always do the job but, as proved in Ferguson, MO, a volley of shots will stop even the biggest man. For that reason, a gun used to be called "The Equalizer."

 

[about_average]

Anecdata. In the vast majority of cases, a taser will stop someone.

True, but not always.
So you have 1.5 seconds from stopping someone intent on doing you serious bodily harm, up to possibly killing you.
Are your reactions and actions fast enough to (remember, within 1.5 seconds) to draw a taser, get on target with it, shoot the person with it, realize it's not stopping them, drop it, draw your weapon and fire accurately enough to stop them?
If so, you should go in to LEO training, because I guarantee you that you could make a fortune if you can pass on your skills.

These threads have become stupid.
Only two people really know what happened, Brown, who's dead, and Wilson, who isn't talking.
So now we have:
1 - People who know for a fact that Brown was rushing Wilson.
2 - People who know for a fact that Brown was surrendering.

I really have to wonder about such massive numbers of people completely detached from reality.
The actual reality is, in case one, use of deadly force was justified, in case 2 it wasn't.
The other part of reality is that no one on this forum knows which it was, but that won't stop those people from assuring us it was entirely justified, or it absolutely wasn't.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Maybe you missed it above, cops got these doo-hickeys they call tasers now. They work pretty damned well, or so I'm told.

Tennessee vs Garner allows any means. Wilson knew Brown was violent, so he had probable cause to kill Monkey Monster.

 

[RobDownSouth]

True, but not always.
So you have 1.5 seconds from stopping someone intent on doing you serious bodily harm, up to possibly killing you.
Are your reactions and actions fast enough to (remember, within 1.5 seconds) to draw a taser, get on target with it, shoot the person with it, realize it's not stopping them, drop it, draw your weapon and fire accurately enough to stop them?
If so, you should go in to LEO training, because I guarantee you that you could make a fortune if you can pass on your skills.

These threads have become stupid.
Only two people really know what happened, Brown, who's dead, and Wilson, who isn't talking.
So now we have:
1 - People who know for a fact that Brown was rushing Wilson.
2 - People who know for a fact that Brown was surrendering.

I really have to wonder about such massive numbers of people completely detached from reality.
The actual reality is, in case one, use of deadly force was justified, in case 2 it wasn't.
The other part of reality is that no one on this forum knows which it was, but that won't stop those people from assuring us it was entirely justified, or it absolutely wasn't.

Officer Panicbutton used poor police technique throughout the encounter.
As a result, an unarmed citizen is dead, paying the ultimate price for the officer's incompetence.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"At least nearly possibly 6"

Or 11

What are the odds that your "evidence" is a hoax?

 

[Lancecastor]

I haven't checked with Jimmy the Greek, but the point is the unarmed teen is dead and the police have been anything but transparent.

Thats the real issue.

 

[Boxlicker101]

True, but not always.
So you have 1.5 seconds from stopping someone intent on doing you serious bodily harm, up to possibly killing you.
Are your reactions and actions fast enough to (remember, within 1.5 seconds) to draw a taser, get on target with it, shoot the person with it, realize it's not stopping them, drop it, draw your weapon and fire accurately enough to stop them?
If so, you should go in to LEO training, because I guarantee you that you could make a fortune if you can pass on your skills.

These threads have become stupid.
Only two people really know what happened, Brown, who's dead, and Wilson, who isn't talking.
So now we have:
1 - People who know for a fact that Brown was rushing Wilson.
2 - People who know for a fact that Brown was surrendering.

I really have to wonder about such massive numbers of people completely detached from reality.
The actual reality is, in case one, use of deadly force was justified, in case 2 it wasn't.
The other part of reality is that no one on this forum knows which it was, but that won't stop those people from assuring us it was entirely justified, or it absolutely wasn't.

I agree with you. As I and others have said repeatedly, let's wait until all the facts are known before rushing to judgment. However, there is a certain group of people to whom Wilson is as good as convicted and the rest of us are trying to refute their contentions.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I haven't checked with Jimmy the Greek, but the pont is the unarmed teen is dead and the police have been anything but transparent.

Thats the real issue.

So you do hang out with racists...

 

[Ishmael]

I haven't checked with Jimmy the Greek, but the pont is the unarmed teen is dead and the police have been anything but transparent.

Thats the real issue.

I take it you've never delved into criminal law. The police reports are NOT going to be made public until after the Grand Jury has finished and either brought forth an indictment or cleared the officer. That is the way the system works in the US. Once the investigation is concluded then both 'discovery' and FOIA kick in. That is unless the DoJ wants to keep the info sealed while it conducts it's own investigation.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Goshgolly ishmayul... You so smert!

 

[about_average]

Officer Panicbutton used poor police technique throughout the encounter.
As a result, an unarmed citizen is dead, paying the ultimate price for the officer's incompetence.

I strongly suspect that Wilson made bad decisions. I know Brown did, even if was only one, running from a cop.
The problem with making bad decisions is that they quite often end up with disastrous results, especially if one of the parties is armed..
But, again, we don't know if Wilson did or not.
Did he say "Get the fuck out of the road", as reported by Johnson? If so, then bad decision.
From there, there are so many possibilities how it could have gone down you'd need a damn flow chart to explore them all and the choices that could have been made and the possible outcomes. And I can't be bothered to do one.

 

[about_average]

However, there is a certain group of people to whom Wilson is as good as convicted and the rest of us are trying to refute their contentions.

And there's a certain group just as convinced Wilson is 100% innocent of wrong doing.

 

[Lancecastor]

Todays twist is the allegation that the dead kid was a gang member under investigation for murder.

Ishmael will of course decline comment until the legal process is complete.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Todays twist is the allegation that the dead kid was a gang member under investigation for murder.

Ishmael will of course decline comment until the legal process is complete.

And when that doesn't pan out, we'll hear "Brown was a LOOTER" next.

#WelcomeBackMyFriendsToTheDerpThatNeverEnds
#VictimBlaming

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Johnson is a less than reliable witness because he has a dog in the fight.



Now, to the "blame the cops" contingent, I'm sure that that fits into their pre-written story line, sounds just about right to them and amounts to actual evidence...