New Witness to Michael Brown Shooting

[GiaCat]

oops wrong thread

 

[toubab]

Yep, that is one of the many things we do not know. It is quite possible that police or federal investigators have already found corroborating witnesses/evidence and out of concern for the safety of the witnesses are keeping that information under wraps - that's pure speculation, but possible.

I was actually surprised they didn't have dash cams. Hell, I've been in little four cop departments that have dash cams.

As for murder, murder is really tough to prove because of the requirement for mental states.

It suddenly hit me that it's the thing that makes the most sense. No prosecutor wants to lose a case, and if several credible witnesses are willing to testify the shooting happened as the cop was being charged by Brown, and was fully justified self defense, no prosecutor I've ever known will touch this.

 

[Balladeer08]

As some have already noted.

First, the officer has already been interviewed (twice) for his version of the events, and is reported to be cooperating (CNN) with the investigation.

Next, he is probably already lawyered up (usually, the jurisdiction or union if there is one) will immediately provide a lawyer, and most likely he has retained or someone has retained individual counsel. Even if he wanted to talk to the press he would be advised, strongly, not too.

The working product of a police investigation is not subject to release under an FOIA request in Missouri (saw that on CNN), and in general, working product is not released to the public. they can hold it for 30 days and go before a judge to request an extension.

I'd also be certain that the police, state and federal agencies are all insisting (or trying too) that nothing be released without careful vetting by their lawyers. I've never known of a police shooting case where the officer made any public statement to the press.

Would his statement serve any purpose? Do you believe it would calm the crowds? Most likely, it would just be fuel to the fire. We, as individuals and collectively may want to hear it or read it - but every government entity I've ever known moves at its own pace.

Then there is the matter of selecting a jury, if it does go to trial. There is no way this gets tried locally, there will be a change of venue because the jury pool in Ferguson is compromised by the media stories, many of which have already been shown to be wrong. Change of venue to where?

Possibly Mars. I think the three rovers there are as dispassionate as possible, and have no preconceived notions on the case as the news has not been broadcast to them.

Or maybe we can find 12 people coming out of a coma?

This media circus crap makes jury selection ludicrously difficult.

 

[toubab]

Jesus tits, do you listen to yourself? That is the same rationale cops you hate give for abridging search and seizure rights. "Well if you don't have anything to hide, why shouldn't we search your trunk?"

I've about got it figured out that some of you don't object to lynching, to discrimination, to prejudice or anything else, as long as you are the ones it benefits, not you being the ones that suffers for it. Why not just come out and admit you are trying to take over civil authority, in effect riding the mob to revolution?

I need my faith in humanity restored.

Somebody come out in favor of equality, justice, the rule of law.

Why shouldn't he say anything? Because his lawyer will have told him NOT to. All making a statement would do is give people like you words that they can twist and take out of context.

It is not to his advantage to make any statement to the press. THE PRESS ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION OR THE TRIAL.

Same reason why, if he does go to court, his lawyer will tell him NOT to testify.

We disagree. I think the cop's story would already be out there, if he and his lawyer felt he is likely to be facing murder charges. They must be confident he won't be.

 

[toubab]

oops wrong thread

Post some nice photos of beautiful women, and all will be forgiven.

 

[GiaCat]

Post some nice photos of beautiful women, and all will be forgiven.

I did repost my thread

 

[toubab]

I did repost my thread

But I'm not interested in that thread.

 

[Balladeer08]

It suddenly hit me that it's the thing that makes the most sense. No prosecutor wants to lose a case, and if several credible witnesses are willing to testify the shooting happened as the cop was being charged by Brown, and was fully justified self defense, no prosecutor I've ever known will touch this.

Well, not quite. There have been a number of prosecutors who have made political careers out of losing high-profile cases. Whoever prosecutes this could become the darling of the media, and the whole anti-police crowd. Imagine you were the prosecutor, and made as big of a media circus out of the trial as you could. Saying any outrageous thing in order to endear yourself to the pro-prosecution community. Call for the officer's death by crucifixion! Think you couldn't run for mayor and win? Or a state representative, possibly even Congressman?

Then there is the Marcia Clark route, where you write (ghost writer) a book and get rich off of it.

 

[Balladeer08]

We disagree. I think the cop's story would already be out there, if he and his lawyer felt he is likely to be facing murder charges. They must be confident he won't be.

Find me a case where any cop has ever made a public statement after a shooting. Their lawyers won't let them. It is a STUPID thing to do.

 

[toubab]

Well, not quite. There have been a number of prosecutors who have made political careers out of losing high-profile cases. Whoever prosecutes this could become the darling of the media, and the whole anti-police crowd. Imagine you were the prosecutor, and made as big of a media circus out of the trial as you could. Saying any outrageous thing in order to endear yourself to the pro-prosecution community. Call for the officer's death by crucifixion! Think you couldn't run for mayor and win? Or a state representative, possibly even Congressman?

Then there is the Marcia Clark route, where you write (ghost writer) a book and get rich off of it.

Not if it's so clear it would be a losing case. Say if there's video of the whole thing that proves the cop was in the right, for example, or if there are say a half dozen eyewitnesses who say the cop was in the right. That would explain everything.

 

[toubab]

Find me a case where any cop has ever made a public statement after a shooting. Their lawyers won't let them. It is a STUPID thing to do.

I don't feel like looking one up, but I don't think it's stupid to get your story out there, if you're in the right. In this case, I think it may not be necessary, for reasons I've just suggested.

 

[doowdniw]

That wasn't the word, dummy.

Which word was it that you are having such a hard time grasping, smarty?

 

[MrSkin]

I have no doubts there are some police officers who are prone to violence. But I seriously doubt that in broad daylight an American police officer is going to execute an unarmed man in the process of surrendering to him, as witness Tiffany Mitchell claims in her numerous media interviews.

I doubt the officer will be arrested and prosecuted, however if he is I can't wait to watch a seasoned criminal trial lawyer tear her account of the shooting to pieces.

I feel confident if Ms. Mitchell is faced with tough questions, her ghetto persona is going to come shining through, delighting all who paid for her public education, as well as those of us who take pleasure in watching a liar get taken down.

 

[nowisthetime]

I have no doubts there are some police officers who are prone to violence. But I seriously doubt that in broad daylight an American police officer is going to execute an unarmed man in the process of surrendering to him, as witness Tiffany Mitchell claims in her numerous media interviews.

I doubt the officer will be arrested and prosecuted, however if he is I can't wait to watch a seasoned criminal trial lawyer tear her account of the shooting to pieces.

I feel confident if Ms. Mitchell is faced with tough questions, her ghetto persona is going to come shining through, delighting all who paid for her public education, as well as those of us who take pleasure in watching a liar get taken down.

Surprise surprise....what an elitist comment.

Didn't know a witness had to speak King's English to be relevant.

And the smear campaign continues.....

 

[Balladeer08]

I just finished watching YouTube outtakes of Steve Harvey on Family Feud.

I wanted to hear some answers that were dumber than the ones on here.

At least those were funny. Mind-boggling, in many cases.

And they need to take the word Family out of the title.

But if the endless bs in this thread is upsetting you, I recommend you go to YouTube and search for Steve Harvey Family Fued.

"Cupine". If there has ever been a stupider answer than that, I'm not sure I want to hear it.

My stomach hurts from laughing so hard, and I am in a much better mood.

"Cupine". Fuck me naked. He actually said "Cupine".

 

[Busybody]

Repeat after me

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.....

Unless a WHITE COP can be blamed

BLACK LOVES ARE WORTHLESS (per other BLACKS)

15 Shot In NYC Within 8 Hours, 2 Dead


NYC Shooting

Al “The Pompadour of Agitation” Sharpton and “Shakedown Jesse” Jackson missing in agitation.

Via FOX NY


Fifteen people were shot in a rash of violence in New York City. The violence left two people dead and 13 others injured within a span of just 8 hours.

The NYPD reported the first shooting late Saturday. It happened at an East Harlem Park.

In that incident, 3 people were shot, with one of the victims being seriously injured, at Jefferson Park on 113th Street and First Avenue; Shortly before 3 a.m.

On Sunday, 2 people were shot dead in Hamilton Heights when a driver got out of his car and opened fire.

The motorist fled after killing a 21-year-old and a 29-year-old man.

A man in his 20s was shot on West 128th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue in Harlem at around 1 a.m.

A 19-year-old man was shot on Lewis Avenue and Van Buren Street in Bedford-Stuyvesant at around 2 a.m. And a 26-year-old was shot at Sutter Avenue and Pennsylvania Avenue in East New York at around 5:30 a.m.
3 people were shot in the Mott Haven section of the Bronx around 3 a.m. Sunday.

 

[Busybody]

http://moonbattery.com/graphics/Back-To-School-Sale-Ferguson.jpg

 

[Busybody]

Says a lot when these THIUGS are hero's in the BLACK "community"

http://moonbattery.com/graphics/latter-day-saints.jpg

 

[miles]

Holder is planning a third.

If he doesn't like the results he'll get a dentist to do the fourth one.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't know what happened.

You don't either.

The irony is in you now reaching a conclusion after lecturing Toubab for page upon page.

What conclusion have I reached other than for reason of the politics of race, the officer is fucked no matter what happens?

Or maybe the conclusion that I reached that the press had a story that they were going to report and get out and try to make literal truth in as many minds as possible before those little things called facts got out?

Or maybe the conclusion, based up on a video-tape that this was just not a innocent choirboy minding his own business, causing no one any harm and then being executed in cold blood by a lunatic white cop gone rogue, driven to extremes by the arrogance of white privilege...

~OR~

Did you have some reached conclusion that you wanted to ascribe to me?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That doesn't fit the radical racist narrative of the Liberal/Minority Coalition.

Your witnesses were lying, he wasn't shot in the back. You need to be more critical and not jump to conclusions.

Not lying, as I said before, misled by their own misconceptions and prejudices which were reenforced by the people around them providing false memories and being fluffed, preened and praised by the press for repeating the story that they all know by heart, it is the rule, not the exception in America, that when it comes to black Utes, the cops are trigger-happy executioners.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What do you think about the "witnesses" now?

That they might be correct.



http://www.cbsnews.com/news/preliminary-autopsy-shows-michael-brown-shot-six-times/

But none of the other wounds could have occurred as I said before because of simple body mechanics. Mark your arms just like the autopsy report and then raise your hands above your head in surrender and look in a mirror, you'll see the back of his arms, which means to have been shot from behind he would have had to be running and surrendering which NO witness has decribed...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm unaware of anyone who said Brown was killed with a shot in the back. All the witnesses I'm aware of said he was facing the cop with his hands up when the fatal shots were fired.

Then you need to make yourself aware of some more witnesses, you know, like the ones on the tape, the ones the press refuses to put on air in interviews because they do not fit the story.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The same as before. The autopsy report didn't disprove Tiffany Mitchell's basic story.

Tiffany Mitchell said she saw Brown jerk as if shot in the back, which didn't happen. She also said she saw Brown fighting the officer through the window of his squad car. I suspect that was the fight for the officers gun which Brown lost. She also said she thought a shot was fired from within the car and she saw him backing up, which would be normal for a guy that was fighting an officer for his gun, only to find out the officer got to it first and it was pointed at him. At this point it becomes a question for investigators, the department shooting policy, and the officers beliefs.

touab, you need to take the fucking mirror challenge as I just outlined to crackerjack.

Those "entry" wounds as indicated by the forensic expert COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IF HIS HANDS WERE RAISED IN A SURRENDER POSITION. It is physiologically impossible unless he was running away.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Pathologist said the first four shots--in the arm--could have been from behind as he was fleeing.

I have no idea what happened.

None of us do.

I agree with Toubab, though; given what's been reported, the officer may be in a precarious position.

Only if his hands were in the air, which not one witness claims.