New Witness to Michael Brown Shooting

[toubab]

I am defending his right not to be convicted and lynched by the press which is purposely telling only one story. As I predicted, in the other thread I think, once the news came out that our innocent Ute was not so innocent, the crowd went bananas again. How dare the police release anything that counters their firmly held belief that, as Lance so warmly framed it, that there is a hunting season on blacks. If it turns out that the facts come down against the cop, then I will get fully behind the idea of prosecution and punishment, but I'll be damned if I will let the Liberal Press goad me into one of their favorite memes, there are no bad minorities, only bad cop (and white people).

It not facts I know, but the proclivities of the "beautiful people" that I grew up with and was a part of in the 60s and 70s, I know better than they know themselves, because they lie to themselves about who they actually are.

The cops were the enemies. Of course, we were always carrying some sort of drug.

Makes one a little paranoid...

You and I agree about the proclivities of the press in the US, but part of the blame for the way this thing is being reported has to go to the police and other government authorities, who have done a terrible job of getting out the shooting officer's side of this story. There is no excuse for the way this whole thing has been handled. Right now all the cards are stacked against the officer in question. It leads one to think, rightly or wrongly, that there is no good side of the story to be revealed, from the shooting officer's point of view.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Are they supposed to discuss ongoing investigations?



Every time the Obama administration wants to sweep something under the rug, they announce first that they are investigating themselves and secondly that they cannot comment on an ongoing investigation and ongoing is the operant word...

The Feds are doing the investigation now, not the locals, their hands are tied.

Holder wants violence as part of his ongoing honest conversation.



I'm interested in the autopsy...

 

[RobDownSouth]

You and I agree about the proclivities of the press in the US, but part of the blame for the way this thing is being reported has to go to the police and other government authorities, who have done a terrible job of getting out the shooting officer's side of this story. There is no excuse for the way this whole thing has been handled. Right now all the cards are stacked against the officer in question. It leads one to think, rightly or wrongly, that there is no good side of the story to be revealed, from the shooting officer's point of view.

In an "Uppity Negro" situation, AJ/Ishmael/Vetteman will always blame the victim, and if the victim cannot be sufficiently blamed then you go after the press.
:nods:

 

[toubab]

It was related to the behavior exhibited on that day.

The officer encountered the ruffian shown in the video, not some innocent, gentle giant peacefully picking up the last of his school supplies.

The local media knew about that video, but as I pointed out before, just like in the Zimmerman case, the National Liberal press already had their story written and were going to suppress negative information while promoting clean witnesses, which btw touab, Jeantell was considered to be until she actually took the stand and started flapping her ignorant gums. It was their failure to objectivity that led to the meltdown last night because it took their useful tools completely off-guard and then turned their anger to another common Liberal meme, "How dare you blame the victim."

The information about the strong arm robbery should have been released right away. I have no idea why it wasn't. At the time it was released, belatedly, the police chief who released it said the shooting officer was unaware of the robbery when this incident went down. That makes no sense to me. I won't be surprised if it turns out the cop did know about the robbery, at least at some point before the shooting. I find it hard to believe he didn't. He may have found out after first seeing Brown and the other guy, but I won't be surprised if he heard about it on the radio, or checked something, and started making the connection prior to the shooting.

The way this has been handled by the police is almost unbelievable. Incompetent is too mild a word.

 

[toubab]

Oh, no, he saw it on TV!



If it's on TV, it's true! Now, how soon before some lwnut loon starts claiming the surveillance video was doctored?

Yes, I saw the witness interviewed on TV, and she is a prosecutor's dream compared to someone like Rachel Jeantel.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The information about the strong arm robbery should have been released right away. I have no idea why it wasn't. At the time it was released, belatedly, the police chief who released it said the shooting officer was unaware of the robbery when this incident went down. That makes no sense to me. I won't be surprised if it turns out the cop did know about the robbery, at least at some point before the shooting. I find it hard to believe he didn't. He may have found out after first seeing Brown and the other guy, but I won't be surprised if he heard about it on the radio, or checked something, and started making the connection prior to the shooting.

The way this has been handled by the police is almost unbelievable. Incompetent is too mild a word.

When you're doing something for the first time.... Yes, it could have been handled better.

I think the time line shows that he may have suspected something when he encountered suspicious behavior coupled with the description coming across his radio. I know from years of crowd control that you start developing a sixth-sense as to who does not look right in any crowd. I actually do not think they intended to release anything until after a good investigation but the crowd, the agitators and the lawsuits pretty much forced them to release the name of the officer and I think that releasing the tape was a petty bit of tit-for-tat as in if you want to go crazy on one of our guys, here's what we think of your guy. And that was kerosine on hot ashes.

 

[toubab]

How many times have we seen this before, both from the press and from the 'knee-jerks' here on the board?

Kobe Bryant, the Duke Lacrosse boys, the Atlanta Bomber, the Georgia truck driver, Zimmerman. The list goes on and on where the press and the mindless pack convict based on hearsay evidence and then, later, when essentially all the facts come out, they either eat crow or contort the facts beyond reason to justify their opinion.

Of course the press and the Al Sharpton's just pack their bags and leave town never having to take responsibility for the shit they've stirred up.

That is NOT to say that the officer involved in this shooting didn't act rashly or that he shouldn't deserve some sort of legal punishment. It IS to say that most here are acting on half of a story.

Ishmael

I call them like I see them. I got it right on Zimmerman and the others you mentioned. If there's a better story than the one Tiffany Mitchell told, I'd like to hear it. I haven't heard it yet.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes, I saw the witness interviewed on TV, and she is a prosecutor's dream compared to someone like Rachel Jeantel.

Jesus, this again...



... until they get her on the stand.

... and what are these things on the trees?

Leaves?

LEAVES, that's right, hundreds of them, I dunno, maybe thousands...

 

[toubab]

Less than half a story even...



And anyone who points that out is accused of being pro cop-killer and racist. A lovely mix.

I hope you realize I'm not accusing you of either of those things. I just think you are perhaps giving too little weight to the eyewitness statements in this case.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Now it turns out the chief's story is evolving to as soon as the innocent Ute was stopped, the officer observed the stolen cigars, or whatever the hell they call them. I don't smoke, they sound foo-foo...



Something that goes with a fruity drink and one of those tiny umbrellas.

 

[toubab]

Are they supposed to discuss ongoing investigations?



Every time the Obama administration wants to sweep something under the rug, they announce first that they are investigating themselves and secondly that they cannot comment on an ongoing investigation and ongoing is the operant word...

The Feds are doing the investigation now, not the locals, their hands are tied.

Holder wants violence as part of his ongoing honest conversation.



I'm interested in the autopsy...

If there is a good side to the story that will help explain what happened and calm the situation, yes, they should have released that information early on.

I'm also interested in the autopsy.

 

[toubab]

When you're doing something for the first time.... Yes, it could have been handled better.

I think the time line shows that he may have suspected something when he encountered suspicious behavior coupled with the description coming across his radio. I know from years of crowd control that you start developing a sixth-sense as to who does not look right in any crowd. I actually do not think they intended to release anything until after a good investigation but the crowd, the agitators and the lawsuits pretty much forced them to release the name of the officer and I think that releasing the tape was a petty bit of tit-for-tat as in if you want to go crazy on one of our guys, here's what we think of your guy. And that was kerosine on hot ashes.

It could have been handled a lot better. And I agree there's a good chance the officer was putting two and two together as this went down.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The information about the strong arm robbery should have been released right away. I have no idea why it wasn't. At the time it was released, belatedly, the police chief who released it said the shooting officer was unaware of the robbery when this incident went down. That makes no sense to me. I won't be surprised if it turns out the cop did know about the robbery, at least at some point before the shooting. I find it hard to believe he didn't. He may have found out after first seeing Brown and the other guy, but I won't be surprised if he heard about it on the radio, or checked something, and started making the connection prior to the shooting.

The way this has been handled by the police is almost unbelievable. Incompetent is too mild a word.

My guess is folks higher up the food chain called the shots.

I've gone to court for people who dropped the ball, and then took the judge's guff for shit I had nothing to do with.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I hope you realize I'm not accusing you of either of those things. I just think you are perhaps giving too little weight to the eyewitness statements in this case.

I'm not the one already sifting through evidence and reaching conclusions. If I were, the tape is more important to me that what a sympathetic observer cared to relate after she had the chance to filter it through her personal viewpoint and life experience, because the tape is real, tangible and demonstrates clearly the frame of mind of the "victim," and I put that word in quotes, because like the kid on the race track, I am not so sure that he wasn;t a victim of his own damned arrogant stupidity. Who is HE to do that to me?

Aside from that digression, most everything I am saying is directed at the press and its gleeful manipulation of public opinion in order to help further along the political goals of its liberal class (and fire up voters for its polity heading into the midterms by presenting a set passion play out of their big meme playbook).

 

[toubab]

Jesus, this again...



... until they get her on the stand.

... and what are these things on the trees?

Leaves?

LEAVES, that's right, hundreds of them, I dunno, maybe thousands...

I've dealt with a lot of witnesses, and I'm telling you Tiffany Mitchell is no Rachel Jeantel. The fact the prosecutors in the Zimmerman case apparently didn't realize they had a moron for their main witness is still hard for me to understand.

 

[Ishmael]

I hope you realize I'm not accusing you of either of those things. I just think you are perhaps giving too little weight to the eyewitness statements in this case.

I think we understand that in your case. But I want to remind you that 'eye witness's' turn out to be among the most unreliable of 'fact' generators. So there is that. The actual forensics will tell a much better story.

The whole discovery process is going to take time and what it ends up revealing is anyone's guess.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If there is a good side to the story that will help explain what happened and calm the situation, yes, they should have released that information early on.

I'm also interested in the autopsy.

That tape is not, "a good side of the story."

You saw what the reaction was, it went from he was murdered in cold blood to he was murdered over a few cigars, nobody deserves that! Then they rioted and looted again.

And I agree somewhat with JBJ, the local cops are probably no longer calling any shots. I also agree with you that their first shots were to the foot, but few communities have the experience of a Chicago or Detroit...

 

[toubab]

Now it turns out the chief's story is evolving to as soon as the innocent Ute was stopped, the officer observed the stolen cigars, or whatever the hell they call them. I don't smoke, they sound foo-foo...



Something that goes with a fruity drink and one of those tiny umbrellas.

See, I knew he made no sense before. Total incompetence. Throwing gasoline on a fire.

 

[toubab]

My guess is folks higher up the food chain called the shots.

I've gone to court for people who dropped the ball, and then took the judge's guff for shit I had nothing to do with.

Doesn't matter who dropped the ball. It was dropped.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I've dealt with a lot of witnesses, and I'm telling you Tiffany Mitchell is no Rachel Jeantel. The fact the prosecutors in the Zimmerman case apparently didn't realize they had a moron for their main witness is still hard for me to understand.

They were swept up by their Liberalism and the story of the press.

Remember, they went shopping for the prosecutors because the local guy was not going to press charges. They were convinced that they could walk her through it pretty much unscathed because the press had already done its job on the jury pool, and that's what they're doing now, trotting out their story and witnesses to get a public conviction prior to the trial tainting the jury against the cops because these grown up fucking hippies from the 60s HATE THE FUCKING PIGS with every bit of fervor as they love minorities...

This is not about Justice to the Press and the rest of the Left, this is all about some social justice even to the point of condoning and understanding the looting and destruction of these people's own neighborhood. Do you have any idea how many big employers fled Watts after the riots?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

See, I knew he made no sense before. Total incompetence. Throwing gasoline on a fire.

Did you see how nervous he was.

He knew he was being walked out to take the fall and was on a terribly short leash and delivered a prepared script.

Prepared by who is kinda what I want to know...

 

[toubab]

I'm not the one already sifting through evidence and reaching conclusions. If I were, the tape is more important to me that what a sympathetic observer cared to relate after she had the chance to filter it through her personal viewpoint and life experience, because the tape is real, tangible and demonstrates clearly the frame of mind of the "victim," and I put that word in quotes, because like the kid on the race track, I am not so sure that he wasn;t a victim of his own damned arrogant stupidity. Who is HE to do that to me?

Aside from that digression, most everything I am saying is directed at the press and its gleeful manipulation of public opinion in order to help further along the political goals of its liberal class (and fire up voters for its polity heading into the midterms by presenting a set passion play out of their big meme playbook).

My "conclusion" is Tiffany Mitchell is a formidable witness, and her statement is backed up by other eyewitnesses. That's what this thread is about.

If you're referring to the store video of the robbery, that won't be nearly enough to get the shooting officer out of hot water.

I understand the desire of some to blame whitey. That's not what I'm doing.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'll leave you to your thread then.

You got a witness.

 

[toubab]

I think we understand that in your case. But I want to remind you that 'eye witness's' turn out to be among the most unreliable of 'fact' generators. So there is that. The actual forensics will tell a much better story.

The whole discovery process is going to take time and what it ends up revealing is anyone's guess.

Ishmael

It's possible forensics will be the key to explaining exactly what happened in this case, but I doubt it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

They were swept up by their Liberalism and the story of the press.

Remember, they went shopping for the prosecutors because the local guy was not going to press charges. They were convinced that they could walk her through it pretty much unscathed because the press had already done its job on the jury pool, and that's what they're doing now, trotting out their story and witnesses to get a public conviction prior to the trial tainting the jury against the cops because these grown up fucking hippies from the 60s HATE THE FUCKING PIGS with every bit of fervor as they love minorities...

This is not about Justice to the Press and the rest of the Left, this is all about some social justice even to the point of condoning and understanding the looting and destruction of these people's own neighborhood. Do you have any idea how many big employers fled Watts after the riots?

"An 'uppity Negro getting his just deserts" is a fantastic opportunity to bash liberalism, which is #WhatMattersMost" = A_J_TheStupid