New Witness to Michael Brown Shooting

[toubab]

Yeah, they've had him on camera all throughout this episode stealing from the convenience store. They just released it today.

As I said earlier, irrelevant if the cop shot Brown as described by the witnesses.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Jeez, quintuple AJ rant above. Pointless seems to have seriously gotten under AJ's famous situation Native American thin skin.

Vegas odds now have Pointless as a prohibitive favorite to be the next shiny new addition to the Chief's burgeoning ignore list.

 

[doowdniw]

If you had been following my earlier comments on this matter you would know I gave little credence to Johnson's version of events. The reason I started this thread was because I saw witness Tiffany Mitchell on TV discussing the shooting, and I was very impressed with her and her veracity and credibility. She clearly indicates she saw Brown being shot as he was fleeing the police officer, then stop and turn around with his hands up, then get shot again. If she is right, that is murder. Probably not first degree murder, but murder.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the bottom line on all of this is whether the killing was justified. It does not appear to me it was.

I am curious as to what you actually know about Tiffany Mitchell's veracity. I don't know anything about it, so I'm just wondering.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There was nothing illegal about shooting Brown in the back as he was fleeing. The possible illegal act is shooting him in the front if he stopped running and turned around with his hands up.

It may be "legal" to shoot an unarmed person in the back who is fleeing.

It's certainly not manly. It is the mark of a coward.

 

[Skiddles2014]

I think it's cute how you guys talk to aj like his brain.

Ponder this before you play with it...

Long-term misuse of alcohol can cause a wide range of mental health problems. Severe cognitive problems are common(YEP); approximately 10 percent of all dementia cases are related to alcohol consumption, making it the second leading cause of dementia.[33] Excessive alcohol use causes damage to brain function(YEP), and psychological health can be increasingly affected over time.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, because I am not doing the investigation, so I am free to make whatever comments or observations I wish.

There was nothing illegal about shooting Brown in the back as he was fleeing. The possible illegal act is shooting him in the front if he stopped running and turned around with his hands up.

Hearsay evidence.

Remember this?

Vinny Gambini: Let me show you something.
[he holds up a playing card, with the face toward Billy]
Vinny Gambini: He's going to show you the bricks. He'll show you they got straight sides. He'll show you how they got the right shape. He'll show them to you in a very special way, so that they appear to have everything a brick should have. But there's one thing he's not gonna show you.
[turns the card, so that its edge is toward Billy]
Vinny Gambini: When you look at the bricks from the right angle, they're as thin as this playing card. His whole case is an illusion, a magic trick. It has to be an illusion…,

 

[toubab]

You are not demonizing the cop? You convicted him based on a statement give to a reporter.:roll eyes: Now, finally you say "but we shall see."

The only difference between you and the rioting protesters and the other race baiters (without knowledge of what actually happened) is that you weren't out on the streets at night.

No, I'm not demonizing the cop. I think he may very well have gotten carried away and continued shooting after he should have stopped. I strongly suspect that's what happened. Wouldn't make him a demon if that's what happened. Would make him guilty of a crime, however.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I am curious as to what you actually know about Tiffany Mitchell's veracity. I don't know anything about it, so I'm just wondering.

She came across good on camera...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, I'm not demonizing the cop. I think he may very well have gotten carried away and continued shooting after he should have stopped. I strongly suspect that's what happened. Wouldn't make him a demon if that's what happened. Would make him guilty of a crime, however.

Again.

Maybe not.

Like Tony, he may never be a cop again, but that only makes him maybe wrong in judgement, but not a criminal.

First off...

How big was the cop?

We know the Ute was fucking huge...

 

[toubab]

Neither did Ward Jr. when he jumped Tony Stewart's car, but something bad things happen to really good people, in this case the Darren and Tony...

And sometimes they have to be held to account.

 

[toubab]

Disrespect is earned. If it means anything to you, and I doubt it does and care even less that it does, I disrespect toubab much less than most.

I'll be damned. Coming from you, that's a compliment. I don't know why I'm admitting this, but same to you.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

As I said earlier, irrelevant if the cop shot Brown as described by the witnesses.

Again, you're clinging to a fiction.

If is the biggest little word in the language.

IF the witnesses did not have an axe to grind, and subsequent event seem to indicate that the community had an axe to grind...



You will, as studies have shown, there's even one of those learning channel shows dedicated to the topic, often times decide to see what you have been conditioned to want to see.

 

[toubab]

I am curious as to what you actually know about Tiffany Mitchell's veracity. I don't know anything about it, so I'm just wondering.

I'm just giving my opinion based on past experience, having taken statements from many, many witnesses over many years. After a point, you learn when someone is being honest and when they are not. Or think you know. And when past experience has shown you are almost always right when you come to that conclusion, you have confidence in your ability to tell a good witness from a poor one. There's nothing certain about it, of course, but it is my considered opinion Tiffany Mitchell is being honest.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm just giving my opinion based on past experience, having taken statements from many, many witnesses over many years. After a point, you learn when someone is being honest and when they are not. Or think you know. And when past experience has shown you are almost always right when you come to that conclusion, you have confidence in your ability to tell a good witness from a poor one. There's nothing certain about it, of course, but it is my considered opinion Tiffany Mitchell is being honest.

Did you get face-to-face with these witnesses and take their statements?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Have you even heard the cop's statement?

 

[toubab]

It may be "legal" to shoot an unarmed person in the back who is fleeing.

It's certainly not manly. It is the mark of a coward.

What would you have a cop do if he is chasing a very dangerous felon, say a murderer, who is outrunning him?

 

[toubab]

Hearsay evidence.

Remember this?

Vinny Gambini: Let me show you something.
[he holds up a playing card, with the face toward Billy]
Vinny Gambini: He's going to show you the bricks. He'll show you they got straight sides. He'll show you how they got the right shape. He'll show them to you in a very special way, so that they appear to have everything a brick should have. But there's one thing he's not gonna show you.
[turns the card, so that its edge is toward Billy]
Vinny Gambini: When you look at the bricks from the right angle, they're as thin as this playing card. His whole case is an illusion, a magic trick. It has to be an illusion…,

Eyewitness evidence.

 

[toubab]

She came across good on camera...

She did. And that's important. She's no Rachel Jeantel.

 

[RobDownSouth]

What would you have a cop do if he is chasing a very dangerous felon, say a murderer, who is outrunning him?

Michael Brown was a very dangerous felon? A murderer?

Well by all means...that...that....THAT'S DIFFERENT!

Edited to add: Wolf Blitzer asks the dumbest question yet: Whycome them cops no 'shoot to injure'?

Quick answer: Because you don't. You shoot, you shoot to kill. period. no questions.

 

[toubab]

Again.

Maybe not.

Like Tony, he may never be a cop again, but that only makes him maybe wrong in judgement, but not a criminal.

First off...

How big was the cop?

We know the Ute was fucking huge...

Described as tall and thin, but that is irrelevant if the witnesses are correct about what happened.

 

[toubab]

Again, you're clinging to a fiction.

If is the biggest little word in the language.

IF the witnesses did not have an axe to grind, and subsequent event seem to indicate that the community had an axe to grind...



You will, as studies have shown, there's even one of those learning channel shows dedicated to the topic, often times decide to see what you have been conditioned to want to see.

You describe it as fiction. I don't, and I don't think a jury would.

 

[Dream59]

I'm just giving my opinion based on past experience, having taken statements from many, many witnesses over many years. After a point, you learn when someone is being honest and when they are not. Or think you know. And when past experience has shown you are almost always right when you come to that conclusion, you have confidence in your ability to tell a good witness from a poor one. There's nothing certain about it, of course, but it is my considered opinion Tiffany Mitchell is being honest.

I too have taken many statements from witnesses during my years as a cop, and there is a vast difference in a statement and a TV interview. For one if you lie during a statement you can go to jail, this often changes a persons story. You can lie to the media all you want, just so you get your 15 minutes of fame. To give veracity to a media interview, when there is no legal statement to back it up, makes me doubt your stated experience. You may turn out to be right, but at this point you have nothing to base your opinion on.

 

[toubab]

Did you get face-to-face with these witnesses and take their statements?

Often I did. Many were written, signed statements. Even more were recorded.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Eyewitness evidence.

She did. And that's important. She's no Rachel Jeantel.

So did Barack Obama, but he's no Socialist...





In fact, he came off great. That's why we do not form opinions based on TV. They get to edit and do retakes...



Coaching, teleprompters, reporters who have a story template looking for people who can flesh it out...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Often I did. Many were written, signed statements. Even more were recorded.

By people wanting to get the facts, or people molding a story into shape?