New Witness to Michael Brown Shooting

[Wrong Element]

I call it the cop is aware the kid is a suspect in the robbery and not convinced the kid doesn't have a weapon and maybe hasn't had the proper training to stay in the situation at hand and not give in to panic and reflex.

Apparently, the cop wasn't aware Brown was a suspect when he stopped him.

 

[toubab]

And I do see your point of the cop should not have shot when the boy was surrendering. I was just trying to give you a point of view that could explain why the cop would shoot.

I understand. It had to be a stressful situation, and I'm not demonizing the cop. But he was the one with the firearm, and it was his responsibility to use it only when absolutely necessary. It appears he may have failed in that responsibility. But we shall see.

 

[Dream59]

I'm not investigating this case, so there's no reason for me not to express an opinion on it, now or whenever I please.

This is true but you lose credibility completely when you use media interviews as the bases of said opinion, at this point in the investigation. But as you said it is your right. Have fun.

 

[Seductive_Wolftress]

I understand. It had to be a stressful situation, and I'm not demonizing the cop. But he was the one with the firearm, and it was his responsibility to use it only when absolutely necessary. It appears he may have failed in that responsibility. But we shall see.

Oh no I agree he failed in his responsibility. They need better training.

 

[toubab]

This is true but you lose credibility completely when you use media interviews as the bases of said opinion, at this point in the investigation. But as you said it is your right. Have fun.

Nothing wrong with media interviews, if done right.

 

[toubab]

Oh no I agree he failed in his responsibility. They need better training.

Knowing when not to shoot is very important, especially when it comes to cops.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't think I'm judging too quickly. I originally was giving the cop the benefit of the doubt, as required under our law, which presumes him innocent until proven guilty. I still give him that, legally, but I'm just saying things don't look good for him, at this point. He was fully justified in shooting Brown if Brown attacked him. He was even fully justified in shooting Brown in the back, legally, as Brown was fleeing, if Brown had attacked him. He was not justified, legally or otherwise, in shooting Brown if Brown had stopped fleeing, and had turned around and raised his hands. If that was how it all happened, it's murder.

The policeman still gets the benefit of the doubt based upon all of the hearsay facts that you just entered into evidence.

Turns out, he wasn't even stopped as a burglary suspect, but for being in the center of the road obstructing traffic.

This 6'4" 190lb innocent Ute was certainly having a banner day...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If only there had been an impartial (that is, white) witness.

Oh, I get it, because I am half white, I am always out to get the black man.




PUTZ!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I thought I made it clear I'm basing my opinion on what I consider to be credible witness statements as to what happened in the seconds before Brown was fatally shot. The information about the strong arm robbery is irrelevant, if the witness statements are accurate. Cops do not get to be judge, jury, and executioner in this country.

But here you are, making a judgement without the benefit of opposition cross-examination.


Do you see the problem here?

 

[Saint Peter]

He is stealing your gig?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I think I'll wait until all the facts are in and the witnesses are vetted by investigators, evidence, and a grand jury if necessary. Feel free however to continue making assumptions about witnesses you don't know anything about.

Oh, and save the lectures about what cops are and what they aren't to those who haven't been around the block.

Maybe it's just me, being ex-military and having spent over 30 years in the martial arts and concert security which brought me in constant intimate contact with cops, but, with the exception of my one teacher, I cannot see them, any of them, just deciding one day, out of the blue to shoot someone either innocent, in the back, or with their hands in the air.

It is just not who they are.

Captain Ron Johnson reminds me of the cop who moved into one of the new houses on our street as a kid and is a clear representative of something I talked about earlier in the week, the proclivity of black people here open carrying Bibles more often than conceal-carrying guns. The story of his daughter talking about Jesus and Peter walking on the water was especially touching. I think the cop was close to his world than that of our innocent Ute.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Okay, I'll bite. What film, genius?

The store film of your P fucking with the clerk. And now his thug pal is gonna swing too. It sux to be a nigguh sometimes.

Yeah, they've had him on camera all throughout this episode stealing from the convenience store. They just released it today.

 

[contrifan32]

I understand. It had to be a stressful situation, and I'm not demonizing the cop. But he was the one with the firearm, and it was his responsibility to use it only when absolutely necessary. It appears he may have failed in that responsibility. But we shall see.

You are not demonizing the cop? You convicted him based on a statement give to a reporter.:roll eyes: Now, finally you say "but we shall see."

The only difference between you and the rioting protesters and the other race baiters (without knowledge of what actually happened) is that you weren't out on the streets at night.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

no, you're a racist because you're a racist. this is just yet another example of your glaringly apparent racist attitudes.

as you know.

and as you know i and everyone else here knows.

dumbass.

Fuck you dumbass.

You're just another pathetic RoryN affirmative action racist.

You fucking crackers have never had to experience what I had to as a minority.

You have a bigger chip on your shoulder than most of the fucking bucks on the res blaming the white man for all their problems.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

so he stole like maybe three dollars worth of cigars. this obviously means he deserved to die. makes perfect sense to me.

He wasn't in an altercation because of the robbery you fucking racist.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

just an extension of the castle doctrine.

you fuck with property, you deserve to get shot. so it's written.

not only did he have dumb luck, he had terrible taste. swisher sweets?

Hey cracker, maybe you should pay attention to the case before fucking cackling with the real racists.

You know, those who did the bidding of the press and jumped to a foregone conclusion.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Brown was obviously a bad guy, and deserved to be arrested and prosecuted for the strong arm robbery he had just perpetrated, and probably for assaulting a police officer, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die.

Neither did Ward Jr. when he jumped Tony Stewart's car, but something bad things happen to really good people, in this case the Darren and Tony...

 

[pointless]

someone really needs to cut back on the meth.

hint: he's a racist twat.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You are not demonizing the cop? You convicted him based on a statement give to a reporter.:roll eyes: Now, finally you say "but we shall see."

The only difference between you and the rioting protesters and the other race baiters (without knowledge of what actually happened) is that you weren't out on the streets at night.

He's just convicting him.

Never, ever believe the cops.

 

[toubab]

The policeman still gets the benefit of the doubt based upon all of the hearsay facts that you just entered into evidence.

Turns out, he wasn't even stopped as a burglary suspect, but for being in the center of the road obstructing traffic.

This 6'4" 190lb innocent Ute was certainly having a banner day...

Yes, in court he gets the benefit of the doubt. And eyewitness accounts are not hearsay evidence.

 

[Saint Peter]

Agree with the Fox News Mouthpiece or you will be ignored!

 

[toubab]

But here you are, making a judgement without the benefit of opposition cross-examination.


Do you see the problem here?

No, because I am not doing the investigation, so I am free to make whatever comments or observations I wish.

 

[Skiddles2014]

someone really needs to cut back on the meth.

hint: he's a racist twat.

I've only opened this last page...

Whoever could you be talking about????



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[toubab]

Maybe it's just me, being ex-military and having spent over 30 years in the martial arts and concert security which brought me in constant intimate contact with cops, but, with the exception of my one teacher, I cannot see them, any of them, just deciding one day, out of the blue to shoot someone either innocent, in the back, or with their hands in the air.

It is just not who they are.

Captain Ron Johnson reminds me of the cop who moved into one of the new houses on our street as a kid and is a clear representative of something I talked about earlier in the week, the proclivity of black people here open carrying Bibles more often than conceal-carrying guns. The story of his daughter talking about Jesus and Peter walking on the water was especially touching. I think the cop was close to his world than that of our innocent Ute.

There was nothing illegal about shooting Brown in the back as he was fleeing. The possible illegal act is shooting him in the front if he stopped running and turned around with his hands up.

 

[RobDownSouth]

If you open a thread up for discussion, you should be able to accept others opinions respectfully rather than talk down to them. Don't ya think?

Disrespect is earned. If it means anything to you, and I doubt it does and care even less that it does, I disrespect toubab much less than most.