Your "belief" is not more important than my reality.

[BoyNextDoor]

Well, well, well. http://www.motherjones.com/politics...rgency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

If corporations are allowed to have religious beliefs and be Christian then stands to reason that they have to be allowed to be hypocrites.

 

[StrangeLife]

Precisely. "Deeply held Christian values" my ass.

We'll he'd better...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Or maybe it's simply because birth control doesn't deal with a "disease" but a deliberate self-inflicted condition. You want insurance to pay for your orgasms?

Strange Life is getting better and better at regurgitatin' Republican talking points on cue.

Sex is an integral part of the human condition, even if most of your sex involves direct financial compensation to your partner as a pre-condition.

 

[about_average]

Well, well, well. http://www.motherjones.com/politics...rgency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

Too funny. If confirmed, the case should be immediately dismissed.
If they really had such deeply held religious convictions they'd be making damn sure their investments met their standards.

Or maybe it's simply because birth control doesn't deal with a "disease" but a deliberate self-inflicted condition. You want insurance to pay for your orgasms?

Good thing that in cases of legitimate rape women can't get pregnant.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If corporations can refuse to provide employees with health insurance that covers birth control because of religious convictions, they can use that same argument to get out of anything, including paying taxes. And you and I as individuals don't get to do that.

 

[StrangeLife]

...even if most of your sex involves direct financial compensation to your partner as a pre-condition.

You're married too I notice....

Good thing that in cases of legitimate rape women can't get pregnant.

Tod Akin is a saboteur sent by the Democrats. He's a one-man false flag operation especially trained in a secret democratic facility....

If corporations can refuse to provide employees with health insurance that covers birth control because of religious convictions, they can use that same argument to get out of anything, including paying taxes. And you and I as individuals don't get to do that.

It's not right that you can hide behind religion for anything, but I will still claim that birth control is "an extra service." It has nothing to do with health insurance.

 

[Beco]

Not sure what this thread is about, but your belief IS stronger than my reality....

 

[RobDownSouth]

You're married too I notice....

I've been divorced for two years now, and Lorilei's restraining order doesn't expire until June.

 

[evesdream]

It's not right that you can hide behind religion for anything, but I will still claim that birth control is "an extra service." It has nothing to do with health insurance.

Let me know what it felt like the last time your fallopian tubes expelled an egg, shit-for-brains.

 

[Brollyanna]

Or maybe it's simply because birth control doesn't deal with a "disease" but a deliberate self-inflicted condition. You want insurance to pay for your orgasms?

The act of using (or wanting to use) contraception contradicts the assertion that the condition is deliberate.

I also wonder if you're arguing that health insurance shouldn't cover healthcare during pregnancies since they too are usually a result of....self-inflicted orgasms.

Fuck this think called sex!

 

[StrangeLife]

Let me know what it felt like the last time your fallopian tubes expelled an egg, shit-for-brains.

Hold on. Hormone treatment in order to manage ovulation in connection with a health condition is not "birth control". That's treatment.

But if you are otherwise healthy, birth control is only needed if you're having recreational sex with somebody. Unless that somebody is working at the insurance company, how can it ever be their problem?

I mean, what's next? Do you want the insurance company to pay for the boat when you go water skiing too? Or finance the harness for your next spelunking?

 

[JohnnySavage]

Birth control chemicals should be put in the water supply. There's too many damned people!

 

[patient1]

Birth control chemicals should be put in the water supply. There's too many damned people!

I think "Too many damned people" is an argument for blessing the water supply, so that people may become baptized and saved whenever they bathe.

 

[Lorilei]

You're married too I notice....






Tod Akin is a saboteur sent by the Democrats. He's a one-man false flag operation especially trained in a secret democratic facility....






It's not right that you can hide behind religion for anything, but I will still claim that birth control is "an extra service." It has nothing to do with health insurance.

Sexual health = health. It's really not complicated.

 

[StrangeLife]

The act of using (or wanting to use) contraception contradicts the assertion that the condition is deliberate.

I also wonder if you're arguing that health insurance shouldn't cover healthcare during pregnancies since they too are usually a result of....self-inflicted orgasms.

Fuck this think called sex!

Well, think it through for a second Anna.

The insurance companies have only one place to recuperate their losses: By the other customers. The effect will thus essentially be, that my insurance gets more expensive because I have to pay for you having sex.

How is that fair? At the very least you ought to send me an invitation to join in, if I have to pay for the party....

 

[StrangeLife]

Sexual health = health. It's really not complicated.

I don't really disagree with you Lorilei. I would hate to have to live without it myself.

But surely you have to admit that comparing birth control to surgery or physiotherapy is a serious stretch of the definition of "health package."

 

[about_average]

The insurance companies have only one place to recuperate their losses: By the other customers. The effect will thus essentially be, that my insurance gets more expensive because I have to pay for you having sex.

If that's your argument, then you just lost it, because birth control is a lot cheaper than paying for pregnancies and delivery and subsequent child health care.
Unless, of course, you're suggesting that insurance companies not cover any of that.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

A man does not have a uterus. His body does not need to slough off a uterine lining.

He will never get pregnant.

He will never have to face bleeding until he is near death because of a medical condition.

A man should not have to pay for the medical care of a uterus ?

But if a man has medical problems with his reproductive
parts, everyone should help pay for his medical care ?


Medical conditions/ health conditions treated with oral contraceptives-

* Amenorrhea (stopping of menses for several consecutive months)
* Dysfunctional uterine bleeding (abnormal uterine bleeding)
* Dysmenorrhea (painful menstrual bleeding)
* Hypermenorrhea (excessive menstrual bleeding)
* Endometriosis (painful bleeding from uterine-like tissue that can grow in different parts of the female body)
* Hirsutism in females (male-like hair growth)
* Hyperandrogenism, ovarian (excessive production of male hormones)
* Polycystic ovary syndrome (many problems that include amenorrhea, hirsutism, infertility, and many tiny cysts or sacs usually in both ovaries)

A very useful drug/medicine to use, just in case a pregnancy is certain to cause death

* Emergency contraception within 72 hours of unprotected intercourse

Is this what the objections are built around ? And they are so dishonest that they will not come out and say it straight ?

http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-sup...aceptives-oral-route/description/drg-20069422

 

[Brollyanna]

Well, think it through for a second Anna.

The insurance companies have only one place to recuperate their losses: By the other customers. The effect will thus essentially be, that my insurance gets more expensive because I have to pay for you having sex.

How is that fair? At the very least you ought to send me an invitation to join in, if I have to pay for the party....

So, does that go for pregnancy too? You didn't say.

As for the rest, that's how insurance works. You pay and might never get anything back, (though when that happens you should consider yourself lucky rather than cheated.)
And there are lots of accident or illness prone behavior that ends up in hospitals or doctor's surgeries and paid for by health insurance.

Swings and roundabouts.

 

[Noor]

Exactly. And I don't want the Jewish and Muslim Conspiracies colluding in an attempt to prevent my doctor from writing me a prescription for bacon to treat my depression and medically-recognized bacon deficiencies.

It would never happen, no one cares what the goyim eat

 

[RobDownSouth]

Well, think it through for a second Anna.

The insurance companies have only one place to recuperate their losses: By the other customers. The effect will thus essentially be, that my insurance gets more expensive because I have to pay for you having sex.

How is that fair? At the very least you ought to send me an invitation to join in, if I have to pay for the party....

You are both absolutely correct and absolutely irrelevant.

The law clearly states that two and only two determinants can be used to set premiums: age and tobacco use.

Everything else is irrelevant.

This means women have to pay for treatment of your enlarged prostate and flaccid man-meat, and men have to pay for breast exams, pap smears, and d-and-c procedures....and yes, birth control.

Is this fair? Probably not. Call your Congressman.
Is this legal? Yup. Deal with it.

 

[StrangeLife]

If that's your argument, then you just lost it, because birth control is a lot cheaper than paying for pregnancies and delivery and subsequent child health care.
Unless, of course, you're suggesting that insurance companies not cover any of that.

Ok, I see your point. But how far will you take the it? Should they pay for your seat-belts in your car? We know that accidents get worse if you're not strapped in.

We also know that pet-owners have a longer statistical life-expectancy and remains more healthy in old age. Should the insurance be required to pay for my dog?

 

[Noor]

Well, think it through for a second Anna.

The insurance companies have only one place to recuperate their losses: By the other customers. The effect will thus essentially be, that my insurance gets more expensive because I have to pay for you having sex.

How is that fair? At the very least you ought to send me an invitation to join in, if I have to pay for the party....

All sexually active heterosexual people can cause the need for contraceptives, abortion and childbirth, maybe waivers for celibate people?

It's just like paying property taxes that support schools even though you don't have children or don't use public schools?

 

[bg23]

Well, think it through for a second Anna.

The insurance companies have only one place to recuperate their losses: By the other customers. The effect will thus essentially be, that my insurance gets more expensive because I have to pay for you having sex.

How is that fair? At the very least you ought to send me an invitation to join in, if I have to pay for the party....

Do you complain about having to pay for heart surgery for people who clogged up their arteries from too much fatty foods?

Liver transplants for people who drank too much?

What about the accidents that result from things like mountain climbing, sky diving, etc?

Do you complain about the guy who shoots himself in the foot accidentally?

None of this seems fair -- it's not like you get to be the one who shoots him but you still have to pay for it...

Or what about you having to pay for somebody else's birth? Insurance covers the actual birth too. If you have a problem covering the contraception surely you have a problem covering the birth.

Man, it's almost like this is how insurance works or something.

 

[Lorilei]

I don't really disagree with you Lorilei. I would hate to have to live without it myself.

But surely you have to admit that comparing birth control to surgery or physiotherapy is a serious stretch of the definition of "health package."

No, I really don't.