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Lorilei said:
No, I admit that was hyperbole on my part, but that was a ridiculous comparison.

The law's flaws (heh, I made a rhyme!) have nothing to do with religious beliefs. Religion has no place in legislation. Period.
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For the most part I will agree with you... but tell that to the Sisters of the Poor.
 
Yes, I read Lori's link. I know the facts but was discussing that this ruling is needed as to the constitutionality of such a law. Even minorities have rights.
 
BBG1970 said:
Theres a few things that bother me about this issue besides the government forcing people to buy health insurance or providing it.

Womens reproductive rights, man I am so sick of hearing about this. Let's be honest without getting into the whys of how someone got pregnant.

I don't think any woman gets pregnant on purpose just to get an abortion. However when you abort a fetus your killing a human being that is not yet fully developed. That's the long and short of it. You can hem and haw about it being just cell's. They are human cells.

I think it's wrong when pro life people throw the word murder around. It's also wrong when pro abortion people screech about their reproductive rights are being taken away. Unless roe v Wade is repealed your right to abortion is intact.

If a woman wants an abortion nobody is stopping her. Planned parenthood which was founded to legally control the black population of America by Margret Sanger is more than willing to assist any woman blk wht,yellow whatever color.

That being said I don't think it's unreasonable for a business to pay for things related to "reproductive health" of a woman, including birth control. pills (the morning after pill) , condoms, inter uterine devices.

At some point there has to be a measure of personal responsibility of women (and men who got them pregnant) about their reproductive system that they are demanding rights to. I don't think a company or religious organization should be forced to pay for abortions.
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So much wrong in such a short post. Well done you.
 
BBG1970 said:
Theres a few things that bother me about this issue besides the government forcing people to buy health insurance or providing it.

Womens reproductive rights, man I am so sick of hearing about this. Let's be honest without getting into the whys of how someone got pregnant.

I don't think any woman gets pregnant on purpose just to get an abortion. However when you abort a fetus your killing a human being that is not yet fully developed. That's the long and short of it. You can hem and haw about it being just cell's. They are human cells.

I think it's wrong when pro life people throw the word murder around. It's also wrong when pro abortion people screech about their reproductive rights are being taken away. Unless roe v Wade is repealed your right to abortion is intact.

If a woman wants an abortion nobody is stopping her. Planned parenthood which was founded to legally control the black population of America by Margret Sanger is more than willing to assist any woman blk wht,yellow whatever color.

That being said I don't think it's unreasonable for a business to pay for things related to "reproductive health" of a woman, including birth control. pills (the morning after pill) , condoms, inter uterine devices.

At some point there has to be a measure of personal responsibility of women (and men who got them pregnant) about their reproductive system that they are demanding rights to. I don't think a company or religious organization should be forced to pay for abortions.
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How do you feel about forcing a company or religious organization to pay for STDs? Or HIV/AIDS? Is it just one category of medical procedures you are morally opposed to, or is there a menu of medical conditions caused by things that offend your sensibilities that should be off the table?
 
Sean said:
No, it isn't. It's about whether people that believe in imaginary magic men in the sky can break the law.
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You mean whether they can change the law? Or maybe you mean, whether the law is constitutional?

You do t really seem to understand what's happening or how things like this end up in court. They are challenging the law and how it's being enforced. That's not the same as breaking it.
 
GermanGoddess said:
You mean whether they can change the law? Or maybe you mean, whether the law is constitutional?

You do t really seem to understand what's happening or how things like this end up in court. They are challenging the law and how it's being enforced. That's not the same as breaking it.
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Private companies can't change the law, dude. Where did you go to law school?
 
I think the ruling in June will be interesting. No matter which side wins, half of the people will be unhappy.
 
Phelia said:
No, it's much more likely that you're a hot, blonde, 25-year old bisexual attorney who joined this site eight years ago (were you even old enough?), barely posts a thing and then suddenly had the urge to pipe up and rail on a woman for "using her gender as an excuse to play the victim."

A woman's health is intrinsically tied to her reproductive system. Birth control has medical applications that extend far beyond contraceptive purposes. It's not about anyone's sex life, least of all yours. Stop being so selfish and ignorant.

Also, you are a man, and you can fuck right off.
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BBG1970 said:
Womens reproductive rights, man I am so sick of hearing about this.
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Oh, you poor baby. I feel your pain.

It's so hard being a man with all these women and their vagina problems around, innit?

BBG1970 said:
Planned parenthood which was founded to legally control the black population of America by Margret Sanger
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Please. Just. DON'T with the lies.
 
Should they win, how long before corporations want to vote?? I mean they've already achieved "personhood", so should they be allowed to vote?
 
JohnnySavage said:
How do you feel about forcing a company or religious organization to pay for STDs? Or HIV/AIDS? Is it just one category of medical procedures you are morally opposed to, or is there a menu of medical conditions caused by things that offend your sensibilities that should be off the table?
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So your equating a killing an under developed human being with a virus. That's just so sad. I feel sorry for you really.
 
BBG1970 said:
So your equating a killing an under developed human being with a virus. That's just so sad. I feel sorry for you really.
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I'm just asking a question to flesh out the scope of what your morality would allow you to pay for. I made no value judgments either way regarding abortion. But "under developed human being" is pretty telling.
 
BBG1970 said:
So your equating a killing an under developed human being with a virus. That's just so sad. I feel sorry for you really.
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An appendix is more developed than anything "aborted" by any of these devices or medications. Is an appendectomy murder?
 
I've been aware of this case because our news has reported it, and my only question is... How can this even be an issue in 2014?
 
julybaby04 said:
You don't think so? Everything else seems to run about that way in this country.

But either way, there will be people happy and those who are not.
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And whatever the decision the Supreme Court renders, we all know you'll be here using it to demonize President Obama in some way.

That's what you do.
 
BBG1970 said:
That being said I don't think it's unreasonable for a business to pay for things related to "reproductive health" of a woman, including birth control. pills (the morning after pill) , condoms, inter uterine devices.
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To only pick on one of the ludicrous things in the post.

Medical care related to a woman's "reproductive health":
Pregnancy and birth
Medical exam after a rape
PAP smears
General gynelogical exams
Endemtriosis treatments
Endemetriosis surgury
Treatment of uterine cancer
Just to name a few.

So are you just exremely naive, or really callous?
 
Sean said:
The rest of the Western world sits back with their mouths open when we look at American politics. It's why I find it so entertaining.
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I've been reading Alex Cockburn's last book...he had similar sentiments, but he preferred to live in the US all the same.
 
Goodness, gracious, even WaPo felt the need to confront what Herman Cain had said about Margaret Sanger!

No matter what you think of abortion, it seems pretty clear that Cain is spouting historical fiction. There is no evidence that Sanger ever sought to kill black babies, either through the Negro Project or any other endeavor. Cain’s claim that three-quarters of Planned Parenthood’s facilities are in black neighborhoods also appears wildly exaggerated.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ntrol-history/2011/10/31/gIQAr53uaM_blog.html
 
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