Forced Orgasms??

[LittleOne14385]

Hello all,

I've been spending time reading and I'm extremely intrigued but the prospect of forced orgasms. I'm learning that rarely are things ever exactly as they seem as first glance so I thought I would ask some more experienced folks.

Can anyone give me some insight into forced orgasms? I know this is kind of vague but I guess I'm unsure how to ask for what I'm looking for here. I think that I would want to experience them but I'm also wary about stepping into unknown territory like this.

Any advice or information would help.

Thanks!

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Did you notice how long it took for ANYONE to respond?

It was a good question that you asked.

If people finally decide to post some replies you are likely to get a wide gap between those who might talk about aggressively 'forced' or demanded orgasms, and those who might talk about enforced 'chastity' (which is what they call it, although that is a bad misnomer for what is going on).

This question goes to some pretty elevated techniques which are not spread around that much - even for good money.

Yet the reality is that not everyone has the complete types of knowledge of physiological and psychological orgasm triggers that are required understandings, for this practice to be a reliable one in the hands of a/any partner.

Don't go down the road of assuming that talk of enforced denial is the 'normal' or 'usual' way.

And don't quickly accept the other typical idea, namely that it's about some early kink trigger or 'training.'

Those are the usual ideas that drift around.

You would do better to try and search out on YouTube, massage techniques that focus on those lymph drainage and inguinal massage procedures where the person is kneeling with their head downwards and the masseur's hands are enfleuraging up from the sides (ribs) and around over the kidneys and upper buttocks, and then in the next stage working on the adductor muscles inside the thigh. By loosening up a range of pelvic associated ligaments and increasing the general blood flow to the area the groundwork is laid for orgasm responses.

This is is first step to 'forced orgasm.'

There are things beyond such preparation that I will not divulge openly, but I can assure you, the thing you are talking about exists, and exists well beyond the usual and fairly obvious and banal ideas that people go on about because they try to put two and two together from what they have heard or tried, though not from ever having had any real experience about it.

Autonomous sensory meridian responses (ASMR) are examples of where in some susceptible candidates, the nervous system triggers affective muscle and gland responses without a person's conscious effort. There are ASMR techniques that can be applied to sexual erotic responses. And there are various topical natural substances that can be involved as well - in order not to encourage foolish people to use dangerous substances or try commonly-known (and wrong) drugs, I will tell you that in oriental sex cults, marshmallow root powder IS the actual substance used. But it is not of any major significance to the technique, frankly, other than it supports the required responses. Many people suppose Ylang Ylang to be another such substance and I have seen a lot of literature about it. And it is completely wrong too. Ylang Ylang, is used to assist opium smokers who recline in the same unmoving position for too long, and due to the blood-flow properties of this substance, a lot of ignorant people have jumped to the assumption that it is THE substance to do with sex.

In short, there is a lot of preparation involved. But there is such a thing as a seemingly spontaneous - and usually long - orgasm that can be triggered by neural network overflow; i.e. overdriving a SET of arousal triggers and linking them in a person who has been placed into a pre-set, pre-pared condition. And then, more or less ever afterward, in fact with increasing strength and reliability, an orgasm can be triggered and the orgasm occurs much like you can't really stop a vomit(!) with a particular trigger.

'D.'

 

[Fetish4Me]

I won't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but I do have some experience in it with my wife. My take on it is that there is no such thing as a true forced orgasm simply because the receiver of the forced orgasm, as with any other orgasm, must be in a psychological position to have an orgasm. If it was truly possible to force an orgasm then a rapist could force his victim to have an orgasm by simply pounding away until it happened.

In our relationship I am the alpha and my wife is submissive. When we have orgasm play it is always something that we get into together. She is willing to go along with whatever I say, but her being in the right mindset is the key to forced orgasm success. In the right psychological state I have gotten her to have as many as 22 orgasms including multiple orgasms leaving a wet spot on the bed the size of a beachball. With her in a less than perfect mindset I have gotten her to orgasm, but not nearly as many times or with as strong of orgasms.

So my advice, if it isn't obvious already, would to be in the right mindset and be sure you want to explore the territory.

 

[KoPilot]

If it was truly possible to force an orgasm then a rapist could force his victim to have an orgasm by simply pounding away until it happened.

...are you seriously trying to say that real rape victims don't ever have orgasms ever? The FUCK is wrong with you

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

KP... It doesn't seem at all that that was what was being said here...

How are you making this leap from the actual words?

 

[KoPilot]

KP... It doesn't seem at all that that was what was being said here...

How are you making this leap from the actual words?

Did you not read the quote, or...? Guy was claiming that you can't force someone to have an orgasm unless, on some level, they want it. Which is the horseshittiest horseshit I've read on this site yet.

 

[IrisAlthea]

I won't pretend to be an expert on the subject, but I do have some experience in it with my wife. My take on it is that there is no such thing as a true forced orgasm simply because the receiver of the forced orgasm, as with any other orgasm, must be in a psychological position to have an orgasm. If it was truly possible to force an orgasm then a rapist could force his victim to have an orgasm by simply pounding away until it happened.

In our relationship I am the alpha and my wife is submissive. When we have orgasm play it is always something that we get into together. She is willing to go along with whatever I say, but her being in the right mindset is the key to forced orgasm success. In the right psychological state I have gotten her to have as many as 22 orgasms including multiple orgasms leaving a wet spot on the bed the size of a beachball. With her in a less than perfect mindset I have gotten her to orgasm, but not nearly as many times or with as strong of orgasms.

So my advice, if it isn't obvious already, would to be in the right mindset and be sure you want to explore the territory.

The autonomic nervous system is called autonomic for a reason. It does control arousal and orgasms, wich means that you can have involuntary arousal and orgasms, even in situations like rape.

It's a complex system with both the sympaticus and parasympaticus involved, which means that you get different outcome at different times as you discribe. It's not as easy as when the doctor hits your knee and you kick.

 

[Kajira Callista]

There is a great thread on this subject somewhere in here. I do believe shadows dream started it.

 

[LittleOne14385]

Answers

There is a great thread on this subject somewhere in here. I do believe shadows dream started it.

I really appreciate the responses and feedback. The different perspectives are interesting to me and it gives me a lot to consider. Thanks everyone.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

KP - he didn't say 'want it;' he said: 'in a psychological position to have it.'

World of difference there, my friend.

 

[IrisAlthea]

KP - he didn't say 'want it;' he said: 'in a psychological position to have it.'

World of difference there, my friend.

Yes, but look below at the sentence KP actually quoted.

If it was truly possible to force an orgasm then a rapist could force his victim to have an orgasm by simply pounding away until it happened.

 

[KoPilot]

KP - he didn't say 'want it;' he said: 'in a psychological position to have it.'

World of difference there, my friend.

Pretend this is math class-- show your work.

 

[Sweetdaisymae]

Forced orgasms are one of Master's favourite tricks. He restrains me, or forbids me to move, then uses very long teasing to get me aroused, then fingers and a wand. He pushes me past comfort, and often past consciousness. I quite literally cum every 30 seconds or so. My clit becomes hyper sensitive and painful, yet I continue to cum, after an hour or so, I need very little stimulation to cause orgasm.
It is extremely intense, I have no control over my body at all. It is utterly exhausting, but totally wild I love it!

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

But I think you guys are jumping at shadows here...

I can't see the leap between the way it was said - although admittedly it was fairly clunky - and the idea he is NECESSARILY saying a rape victim is someone who 'never has orgasms.'

Am I missing something here?

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

Yes I read the quote. It looks out of context to me. The context was about the whole earlier sentences in the paragraph, which as was about the psychological position of the receiver. 'Pound away' looks, in context, to be a way of saying 'to keep at something until it worked.'

How else can you read this entire paragraph?

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

And btw, I am enjoying this. I want to see how many times 'the adversaries' are going to swear or use pejoratives or be aggressive, if I just keep on 'pounding away.'

 

[V1xen]

Somebody could pound away at me for a year and a day and not make me orgasm.

 

[KoPilot]

But I think you guys are jumping at shadows here...

I can't see the leap between the way it was said - although admittedly it was fairly clunky - and the idea he is NECESSARILY saying a rape victim is someone who 'never has orgasms.'

Am I missing something here?

Why bring rape into it at all, then, unless you're talking about rape victims? Forced orgasms within the context of a consensual relationship is, as you would say, "worlds away" from rape.

At any rate, I'm not going to theorize with you about the semantics of what I originally quoted. If the poster in question ever comes back to defend himself, I'll be happy to duke it out with him.

So sorry, I'm not gonna take your trollbait.

 

[GooodGurrl]

But I think you guys are jumping at shadows here...

I can't see the leap between the way it was said - although admittedly it was fairly clunky - and the idea he is NECESSARILY saying a rape victim is someone who 'never has orgasms.'

Am I missing something here?

I think the point being made is that it is rather assumptive to claim that "real" rape victims never have orgasms during their rape. Which invalids actual rape victims who have had orgasms during their rape.

It has happened and the victims are quite often blamed/ashamed/shamed/persecuted for having these orgasms, it is used as "evidence" that it wasn't a real rape, that the victim in some way 'wanted' or 'enjoyed' it. It's offensive and victim shaming and wrong.

That is what came across in the quote and I noticed it immediately, before even getting the rest of the comments. I'm going to give the OP credit and suggest that's not what they meant at all, it was just a poor word choice.

BUT, it's certainly not correct to assume that rape victims do not have orgasms against their will.

 

[KlaytonFrost]

Getting back to the original topic - massage techniques are, in my experience, the way to go. Have a look for videos on the subject wherever you usually find your visual stimulation.

To a certain extent though, I feel that the receiver has to want to have an orgasm in order to have an orgasm that they're really going to enjoy. Just my experience...

 

[Sweetdaisymae]

Getting back to the original topic - massage techniques are, in my experience, the way to go. Have a look for videos on the subject wherever you usually find your visual stimulation.

To a certain extent though, I feel that the receiver has to want to have an orgasm in order to have an orgasm that they're really going to enjoy. Just my experience...

A Hitachi can make me cum if I want to or not.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I think the point being made is that it is rather assumptive to claim that "real" rape victims never have orgasms during their rape.

But no such claim was ever made.

The actual words were: 'If it was truly possible to force an orgasm, a rapist could force his victim to have an orgasm' etc.

And the actual meaning is: 'a rapist cannot force his victim to enjoy being sexually violated.' (Because, you cannot force a person to have an orgasm). And therefore there is a sense that the rapist cannot GUARANTEE to himself that he can MAKE (force) his victim have an orgasm.

A very simple propositon, I would have thought.

The main focus verb is 'to force,' and the 'to have' is just a passive verb transitive.

There is no corollary that can logically be drawn about whether a victim NEVER has orgasms! Or can NEVER have them in a sexually violated event. That is not an idea present in the sentence. Either by corollary or by intepreting an antithesis.

The only assumptions going on here are in the heads of people with a pretty convoluted perspective of the English language. Or perhaps in the heads of people being highly reactive to words in a sentence that they jumble up in their minds in order to suit a hypermanic outlook.

 

[KoPilot]

But no such claim was ever made.

The actual words were: 'If it was truly possible to force an orgasm, a rapist could force his victim to have an orgasm' etc.

And the actual meaning is: 'a rapist cannot force his victim to enjoy being sexually violated.' (Because, you cannot force a person to have an orgasm). And therefore there is a sense that the rapist cannot GUARANTEE to himself that he can MAKE (force) his victim have an orgasm.

A very simple propositon, I would have thought.

The main focus verb is 'to force,' and the 'to have' is just a passive verb transitive.

There is no corollary that can logically be drawn about whether a victim NEVER has orgasms! Or can NEVER have them in a sexually violated event. That is not an idea present in the sentence. Either by corollary or by intepreting an antithesis.

The only assumptions going on here are in the heads of people with a pretty convoluted perspective of the English language. Or perhaps in the heads of people being highly reactive to words in a sentence that they jumble up in their minds in order to suit a hypermanic outlook.

Are you the guy who posted that? Can you read minds over the internet? No? Then go the fuck home.

 

[IrisAlthea]

Getting back to the original topic - massage techniques are, in my experience, the way to go. Have a look for videos on the subject wherever you usually find your visual stimulation.

To a certain extent though, I feel that the receiver has to want to have an orgasm in order to have an orgasm that they're really going to enjoy. Just my experience...

Isn't that often the whole point of forcing it?
Like taking something enjoyable and corrupt it, I mean.

 

[free2bebiFL]

These are all great explanations, and love the massage route. Tantric massage is an amazing tool to move you a better place.

I am going to add that I have had a forced orgamsm both from a sexual assault and from a loving friend who helped me heal. Not in the BDSM environment, but in the tantric massage environment. It is completely possible for you to force an orgasm in both men and women. Sexual assault does not just include "banging away". It may include more than one assailant, which allows more control of what it is they're doing/trying to accomplish. Or drugging your victim at which point basic A&P reactions at that point. It is no less assault.