Menage mfm vs the Cuckold

jeninflorida

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Im curious about menage vs cuckold. In the mfm erotica does the married man become a a cuckild? Can a story, not, enter the world of cuckolding?

Or does a mfm need to be three new people that enter a new relationship at the same time?
 
Clearly I'm struggling with this topic...lots of starts and three "books" but self doubt sets in....

Im left with the question...how does a man share his wife?

The whole male matcho crap....thing
 
There are tons of group sex stories where the husband happily shares his wife and participates as well.

In r/l many swingers join in and do not just sit and watch while the other man is with the wife.

That is the true way of "swinging" the cuck thing is an ofshoot of it and the LW category has seemed to make people think-as you seem to-that it is the only way.
 
I think it's about what kind of relationship there is between the two men. Like, if they are brothers or teammates or rivals who declare a truce as far as the female is concerned, then it's not cuckolding. In cuckolding the relationship between the two men is usually uneven and negative; the one doing the cuckolding doesn't respect the other, or platonically dominates the other. Particularly in terms of sexual access to the woman the cuckold either gets no sex, only gets attention when the other man has been satisfied, or gets half-hearted 'service'.
 
I think it's about what kind of relationship there is between the two men. Like, if they are brothers or teammates or rivals who declare a truce as far as the female is concerned, then it's not cuckolding. In cuckolding the relationship between the two men is usually uneven and negative; the one doing the cuckolding doesn't respect the other, or platonically dominates the other. Particularly in terms of sexual access to the woman the cuckold either gets no sex, only gets attention when the other man has been satisfied, or gets half-hearted 'service'.

Browsing through books....it seems that fire, cops, security, wolf/vampire, and rocker tend to be the theme and bond between the men
 
There are tons of group sex stories where the husband happily shares his wife and participates as well.

In r/l many swingers join in and do not just sit and watch while the other man is with the wife.

That is the true way of "swinging" the cuck thing is an ofshoot of it and the LW category has seemed to make people think-as you seem to-that it is the only way.

Im guessing swinger and group sex stories dont take a troll beating?
 
The OP queston loses me. MFM doesn't have to include anyone's marriage at all.
 
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Well true, it doesnt have to be a marries couple ... but thats where i like to start. As it adds texture and layers...easy to add emotion
 
Browsing through books....it seems that fire, cops, security, wolf/vampire, and rocker tend to be the theme and bond between the men
Well, two "brothers in arms" is common. Though mostly the ones I personally don't have a modern setting, so it's more like 2 knights or a knight-mage pair or the two-man crew of a mecha or small space ship, or a nobleman and the bodyguard who has been his best friend since he was a teenager. Sometimes they are co-survivors of a ship crashing or an apocalypse. I like the settings where there's a shortage of women so the two men are looking for a wife to share, and this is pretty normal for the setting.

I personally prefer mmf to mfm though. Those often start with the two men basically married, but they're looking for a female third because they are ready to settle down and have kids.
 
Im guessing swinger and group sex stories dont take a troll beating?

Well there is no guarantee on that. So far I have had decent success there and not run into too much crap.

The cuckold routine would get you a little crap there though. Group sex category is generally a fully consensual fun time had by all.
 
Well, two "brothers in arms" is common. Though mostly the ones I personally don't have a modern setting, so it's more like 2 knights or a knight-mage pair or the two-man crew of a mecha or small space ship, or a nobleman and the bodyguard who has been his best friend since he was a teenager. Sometimes they are co-survivors of a ship crashing or an apocalypse. I like the settings where there's a shortage of women so the two men are looking for a wife to share, and this is pretty normal for the setting.

I personally prefer mmf to mfm though. Those often start with the two men basically married, but they're looking for a female third because they are ready to settle down and have kids.

Ah middle ages up to the wild west....danger and constantly moving...
 
Im guessing swinger and group sex stories dont take a troll beating?

If you're going for LV you will get the closet cucks up in arms if thee's even a hint of stepping out of a marriage and the spouse doesn't respond in nuclear fashion. If you post in Group Sex, less so.

But hey - sticks and stones...
 
How about two guys who respect and like each other-- share a deep and fulfilling friendship with each other-- and also respect and like their wife and enjoy a deep sexual friendship with her.

That's all it takes. This can happen in any setting you want.

You can add plot tension by means of outsiders who are convinced that one of them is a poor cuck, because they cannot imagine two men who are untouched by the slimey assumptions of heteronormativity.

I wouldn't know where you would put something like that, though. But I bet you'd get huge ratings from women readers. If you stuck names from some TV show onto the characters, you could sell it as fanfic-- it's not so uncommon there.
 
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In my experiences, the stereotypical male goes through the life cycle ritually beating his chest. If the neighbor buys a mower, he has to buy a new RIDING mower. He has to piss longer, belch louder, and his farts have to stink the worst. Share a woman? What woman once she had sampled all this fabulousness could possibly want another man unless she is a slut?

Ironically, those are typically the first in line drooling over the idea of "two wimmin 'n' me" and they don't see an issue. :rolleyes:

Double irony, I've met exactly two men in real life that DIDN'T like the idea of two women when it was presented to them. There might, of course, be others that were never given the option to choose. But, I think the fact that only two that I'm aware of said "get the hell away from me" is a telling statistic in there somewhere.

Just how the hell it is that a man who has two women is a stud but a woman that has two men is a slut is something I have never understood. Hell, if it bugs you that much, buy a "clone-a-willy" kit, then pick your spot and give her the clone in another. Sheesh. Or better yet, have her girlfriend use it as a strap-on and get a two'fer.

All joking aside, Stella hit the nail right on the head as far as it went. The one additional point I would throw out if I might be so bold is a disrespect on the part of one or both of the men involved towards the woman. It's hard (if you will forgive the pun) to find even two people that will love and respect each other equally, much less more.

As for firemen, cops, soldiers, etc... I know plenty of each that would cheerfully try to kick my ass for saying it out loud, but I call them like I see them. No greater love hath any man than he would take a fuckin' bullet for 'em. They may not want to screw each other, but they do love each other. (At least I didn't see any mention that one or both of the men were bi-curious?) (The way I hear it, the unofficial SEAL mantra is "My wife, sure. My toothbrush, maybe. My knife, never.")

However, when the stereotypical male mentioned in the first paragraph reads a story involving one woman and two men, his lizard brain is automatically going to scream "cuckold cuckold cuckold" if there is any sort of existing relationship because he can not help but put himself in place of the male in the existing relationship. Because, of course, all of this fabulousness has absolutely no problem getting a woman so he couldn't possibly be the other guy.

Write it anyway and just know when they gripe that they've probably been telling women their whole life that this is six inches or they are waiting for the other one to drop.

Oh, damn. Did I take my meds? Holy crap! Did I take two doses?!

Uh, I gotta go. But I just want to say that I see three factors that would play a part in your OP question.

1) How does the husband view himself?
2) How does the husband view his wife?
3) How much of a damn does the husband give about anyone else's opinion on anything?
 
Just how the hell it is that a man who has two women is a stud but a woman that has two men is a slut is something I have never understood.


Historically this actually makes a lot of sense.

The consequences of sex is vastly higher for women compared to men, given that a woman can get pregnant. Today we have birth control and court systems to even out the odds a bit, but this is a relatively new thing. Making it socially unacceptable for women to engage in casual sex was a way of saving them and their families from an unpleasant fate - possibly death.
 
How about two guys who respect and like each other-- share a deep and fulfilling friendship with each other-- and also respect and like their wife and enjoy a deep sexual friendship with her.

That's all it takes. This can happen in any setting you want.

You can add plot tension by means of outsiders who are convinced that one of them is a poor cuck, because they cannot imagine two men who are untouched by the slimey assumptions of heteronormativity.

I wouldn't know where you would put something like that, though. But I bet you'd get huge ratings from women readers. If you stuck names from some TV show onto the characters, you could sell it as fanfic-- it's not so uncommon there.


you rock! :kiss:
 
omg, thank you! this is great and reminded me how funny men can be! thanks sweetie!



In my experiences, the stereotypical male goes through the life cycle ritually beating his chest. If the neighbor buys a mower, he has to buy a new RIDING mower. He has to piss longer, belch louder, and his farts have to stink the worst. Share a woman? What woman once she had sampled all this fabulousness could possibly want another man unless she is a slut?

Ironically, those are typically the first in line drooling over the idea of "two wimmin 'n' me" and they don't see an issue. :rolleyes:

Double irony, I've met exactly two men in real life that DIDN'T like the idea of two women when it was presented to them. There might, of course, be others that were never given the option to choose. But, I think the fact that only two that I'm aware of said "get the hell away from me" is a telling statistic in there somewhere.

Just how the hell it is that a man who has two women is a stud but a woman that has two men is a slut is something I have never understood. Hell, if it bugs you that much, buy a "clone-a-willy" kit, then pick your spot and give her the clone in another. Sheesh. Or better yet, have her girlfriend use it as a strap-on and get a two'fer.

All joking aside, Stella hit the nail right on the head as far as it went. The one additional point I would throw out if I might be so bold is a disrespect on the part of one or both of the men involved towards the woman. It's hard (if you will forgive the pun) to find even two people that will love and respect each other equally, much less more.

As for firemen, cops, soldiers, etc... I know plenty of each that would cheerfully try to kick my ass for saying it out loud, but I call them like I see them. No greater love hath any man than he would take a fuckin' bullet for 'em. They may not want to screw each other, but they do love each other. (At least I didn't see any mention that one or both of the men were bi-curious?) (The way I hear it, the unofficial SEAL mantra is "My wife, sure. My toothbrush, maybe. My knife, never.")

However, when the stereotypical male mentioned in the first paragraph reads a story involving one woman and two men, his lizard brain is automatically going to scream "cuckold cuckold cuckold" if there is any sort of existing relationship because he can not help but put himself in place of the male in the existing relationship. Because, of course, all of this fabulousness has absolutely no problem getting a woman so he couldn't possibly be the other guy.

Write it anyway and just know when they gripe that they've probably been telling women their whole life that this is six inches or they are waiting for the other one to drop.

Oh, damn. Did I take my meds? Holy crap! Did I take two doses?!

Uh, I gotta go. But I just want to say that I see three factors that would play a part in your OP question.

1) How does the husband view himself?
2) How does the husband view his wife?
3) How much of a damn does the husband give about anyone else's opinion on anything?
 
How about two guys who respect and like each other-- share a deep and fulfilling friendship with each other-- and also respect and like their wife and enjoy a deep sexual friendship with her.

That's all it takes. This can happen in any setting you want.

You can add plot tension by means of outsiders who are convinced that one of them is a poor cuck, because they cannot imagine two men who are untouched by the slimey assumptions of heteronormativity.

I wouldn't know where you would put something like that, though. But I bet you'd get huge ratings from women readers. If you stuck names from some TV show onto the characters, you could sell it as fanfic-- it's not so uncommon there.

Heinlein was always slipping stuff like that into his novels...
 
How about two guys who respect and like each other-- share a deep and fulfilling friendship with each other-- and also respect and like their wife and enjoy a deep sexual friendship with her.

That's all it takes. This can happen in any setting you want.

You can add plot tension by means of outsiders who are convinced that one of them is a poor cuck, because they cannot imagine two men who are untouched by the slimey assumptions of heteronormativity.

I wouldn't know where you would put something like that, though. But I bet you'd get huge ratings from women readers. If you stuck names from some TV show onto the characters, you could sell it as fanfic-- it's not so uncommon there.

I really do like your idea, so like jeninflorida, I have to say it rocks. May I add, it would be nice if the men happened to be bi, really, really hot.
 
In my experiences, the stereotypical male goes through the life cycle ritually beating his chest. If the neighbor buys a mower, he has to buy a new RIDING mower. He has to piss longer, belch louder, and his farts have to stink the worst. Share a woman? What woman once she had sampled all this fabulousness could possibly want another man unless she is a slut?

Ironically, those are typically the first in line drooling over the idea of "two wimmin 'n' me" and they don't see an issue. :rolleyes:

...Just how the hell it is that a man who has two women is a stud but a woman that has two men is a slut is something I have never understood.

Some poly folk refer to this as the "one penis policy".

Historically this actually makes a lot of sense.

The consequences of sex is vastly higher for women compared to men, given that a woman can get pregnant. Today we have birth control and court systems to even out the odds a bit, but this is a relatively new thing. Making it socially unacceptable for women to engage in casual sex was a way of saving them and their families from an unpleasant fate - possibly death.

Nonmonogamy != casual sex. You can have either without the other.

Also, I suspect the stigmatising of both those things has led to a lot more "unpleasant fates" than its absence ever would have.
 
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Some poly folk refer to this as the "one penis policy".



Nonmonogamy != casual sex. You can have either without the other.

Also, I suspect the stigmatising of both those things has led to a lot more "unpleasant fates" than its absence ever would have.

No, the "unpleasant fates" had more to do with the absence of any reliable means of verifying the paternity of a child.

Before DNA testing a woman's reputation was pretty much the only guarantee she could offer a man, that the children she was bearing was indeed his offspring. In the case of any doubt, it was crucial to her defence that nobody could rightfully claim that she had a history of promiscuity.

In those times being part of a family wasn't an option but a necessity. Raising a child took a lot of resources, and many men were unwilling to risk spending those on raising another mans child. In case of doubt they'd often simply walk away and leave the woman without a family structure to raise her child in.
 
It does seem to be a matter of simple fairness that women should enjoy mfm as often as men enjoy fmf.

However, there are a few deep engrained cultural norms that conflict and may have roots in intrinsic psychology (evolutionary psychology)

A woman loses nothing when her man deposits sperm in another woman. He is still available to impregnate her almost immediately. He is still available to nurture and protect her and the children.

A man loses 10 months or more of ability to impregnate the woman when she is impregnated by another man. He may "waste" significant resources nurturing another man's baby knowingly or not. There is an opportunity cost to the man.

In addition to psychological reasons men may be less sympathetic to mfm, there are physiological signs of historic competition with other men over breeding rights.

The human penis has interesting and unique features. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=secrets-of-the-phallus

Current theories supported by experimental evidence suggest that sperm competition has been enough of an influence on human evolution that the human penis evolved to displace competitors' sperm while depositing its own. Studies have shown the the second male to ejaculate in the woman has 91% better chance of impregnating her (unless his penis is too short to remove the competition). Interestingly, that selects for longer penises and may account for humans having the longest penises of all primates even when measured proportionally to body size. (longer penis results in more successful fertilization) This also explains the male refractory period. (Males who didn't displace their own sperm right after ejaculating reproduced more successfully.)

There are also interesting studies of fraternal twins who have different fathers. Mama got busy...


We have birth control now, but it is so recent in evolutionary history that neither psychology nor physiology have been affected. It is paramount to a man's evolutionary success to jealously guard and monopolize his mate's fertility. Women, on the other hand, have little or no stake in male fidelity and prosper evolutionarily no matter who fathers their children.
 
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From an emotional point of view, sex is a powerful act of bonding. Sex releases Oxytocin in the brain causing strong feelings of bonding and protectiveness. Estrogen amplifies Oxytocin and likely produces both stronger longer orgasms in women but also stronger feelings of attachment. Men who have taken estrogen supplements report stronger longer orgasms...

When a woman accepts a man as a lover, it is a profound compliment. She has limited opportunities to pass her genes to the next generation. Almost all women have fewer than 10 children who survive to reproduce. Accepting a man means she is offering a priceless rare opportunity to him.

When a woman accepts more than one man at a time as a lover, she is diluting the offer/compliment to both. She is saying she is 50% offering her rare fertility. Furthermore, she is likely to experience strong feelings of bonding with one or both men. Such strong feelings make the acts anything but "casual".

We don't consciously think these ways, but our subconscious animal brains likely do. We intellectually know she isn't going to get pregnant from either man because of birth control. Sadly, intellect does not always overrule animal emotion even with Spock.

Finally, all humans suffer emotional insecurities. Putting aside jealousy (as necessary for polyamory), each man is likely to feel less preferred or secondary or less satisfactory at some times. If not countered, these feelings devolve into the Bull/Cuckold dynamic even if all men entered the relationship on equal terms. Add impotence, decreases in a man's physical attractiveness, depression, anxiety, etc. It seems almost inevitable that one of the men will be (or feel) less equal than the other.

I have never been polyamorous or seen a long therm polyamorous relationship, so I could be completely off base. Also, people are not ruled by animal instincts or irrational emotions. I'm sure some people make it work.
 
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In terms of attractiveness, women tend to find certain qualities in men attractive and certain deficits very unattractive. Duh - right? A needy man with little social capital will generally not be attractive even if he displays awesome physical beauty. There is little men can do, and when they try, it's called "game" and detested. Women will find them attractive or not.

In terms of attractiveness, men tend to find certain qualities in women attractive and certain deficits very unattractive. Duh - right? An unfaithful woman will generally not be attractive even if she displays awesome physical beauty. Fortunately, there is something women can do - or rather not do.

It has been theorized that so called "slut shaming" perpetrated by women against other women has an evolutionary psychology component... But that will be a different discussion.
 
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