I hope McDonalds people get $15/hr

Please use your brain. It will not work if imposed by government.

how so? the 40 hour work week was imposed by government, child labour laws were enforced by government, minimum wage laws were forced by government.. plus I'm talking a living wage.. the average McDonalds employee is 28 years old with a high school education and the wages compensating for inflation shows they're " earning" less then they were nearly 40 years ago
 
You're saying one of the richest companies in the world couldnt afford a living wage for it's employees?

No, first I am saying that you didn't read the whole article. Second, the minimum wage in this country was never intended to be a "living wage" and it should be called what it is... an entry wage.
 
you really do love derp

so ..once again.. what do you do for a living..or are you a parasite?

Like i said before..working for a company with 6700+ employees .... hunkering down for the obanacare storm

Those socialist are deadly!
 
No, first I am saying that you didn't read the whole article. Second, the minimum wage in this country was never intended to be a "living wage" and it should be called what it is... an entry wage.

but it is no longer an " entry" job..that's the reality we face
 
The market, not the government decides what wages and prices will be in a free society
Yes, but what kind of fascinating is that right now, government policies are actually keeping those wages down. Yep. The same way that farm subsidies are keeping a lid on food prices. The workers are selling their time at a loss, because government money is subsidizing the workforce with the difference between what it costs to live in a modern society and be useful, and what the employer pays. That is NOT free market. That's corporatism on the tax payer's dime. You're paying McDonalds twice. Congrats.

If there was free market, the McD workers would have to live on what they earned. If they did, they'd be less employable. ALso less inclined to work at all. The shelter and the soup kitchen would start to look like a viable option.
 
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but it is no longer an " entry" job..that's the reality we face

Take that up with the Commander and Chief who is spending all his time defending defending the train wreck of his doing and not dealing with the economy or lack of jobs...thats the reality we face, not people who wish to make a semi skilled wage by making Big Macs
 
Because there are hardly any other job opportunities left in America.

What they earn is a factor of the demand for that service and the availability of their skill in the market place. If a job demands a skill level scarce in the economy, wages will be higher. If the skill level is such that anyone can do the job, wages will be much lower.

The market, not the government decides what wages and prices will be in a free society, because it is much more efficient at determining the allocation of economic resources. Your idea has been tried in Eastern Europe and the old Soviet Union and it failed. History proves, command order economics is an invitation to economic failure.

In the case of the United States, to the extent that government intervenes in the economy, it fails. Watch the unfolding disaster of Obamacare as it attempts to control and manage 1/6th of the American economy for an example of that failure.

Read the words of Milton Friedman on the minimum wage:


"Let me give you a very simple example – take the minimum wage law. Its well-meaning sponsors [like President Obama]– there are always in these cases two groups of sponsors – there are the well-meaning sponsors and there are the special interests, who are using the well-meaning sponsors as front men. You almost always when you have bad programs have an unholy coalition of the do-gooders on the one hand, and the special interest on the other. The minimum wage law is as clear a case as you could want. The special interests are of course the trade unions – the monopolistic trade craft unions. The do-gooders believe that by passing a law saying that nobody shall get less than $9 per hour (adjusted for today) or whatever the minimum wage is, you are helping poor people who need the money. You are doing nothing of the kind. What you are doing is to assure, that people whose skills, are not sufficient to justify that kind of a wage will be unemployed.

The minimum wage law is most properly described as a law saying that employers must discriminate against people who have low skills. That’s what the law says. The law says that here’s a man who has a skill that would justify a wage of $5 or $6 per hour (adjusted for today), but you may not employ him, it’s illegal, because if you employ him you must pay him $9 per hour. So what’s the result? To employ him at $9 per hour is to engage in charity. There’s nothing wrong with charity. But most employers are not in the position to engage in that kind of charity. Thus, the consequences of minimum wage laws have been almost wholly bad. We have increased unemployment and increased poverty.

Moreover, the effects have been concentrated on the groups that the do-gooders would most like to help. The people who have been hurt most by the minimum wage laws are the blacks. I have often said that the most anti-black law on the books of this land is the minimum wage law.

There is absolutely no positive objective achieved by the minimum wage law. Its real purpose is to reduce competition for the trade unions and make it easier for them to maintain the higher wages of their privileged members."

The average burger flipper anywhere in America makes $15 an hour now and the economy hasn't collapsed. Your claim is epically flawed.
 
Or we could just understand the Law of Supply and Demand and understand its effects on wages and prices, while recalling that it is carved in stone in a free society.

Except that doesn't actually work, that's why we have labor laws in the first place, what you are suggesting now failed horribly some time ago, get over it old timer.....we aren't about to revert back to 1895. So take your pick, force the company to pay enough that they aren't on welfare, or continue to subsidize the work force of companies who treat their workers like shit (most of which are staunch RW companies BTW...luuuuve that welfare don't you guys??;)).

Well seeing that your income comes from tax payers...you are correct in one thing that I dont understand your kind of "business"

And by business I mean welfare consumption

You own what kind of business again? After asking you 5 times yesterday and you dodging every one of them I'm still curious...

How many millions did your house cost Jen? :D

Get rid of the subsidies. Easy enough problem to solve.

Ishmael

Agreed...but reality is welfare isn't going anywhere, the people of this nation decided not to let their neighbor starve b/c they got laid off or can't get work.

Now...do we force the companies to pay their employees enough to not qualify for welfare or we continue to subsidize most uber corporations work force?

I go for the former....It's a wonder so many republicans favor welfare, but then it is corporate welfare so that's not really a shocker now is it?
 
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What does that have to do with the effects of the Minimum Wage law?

Seriously? Ok I'll make it REALLY simple for you.

We can raise min wage to make companies pay their employees enough to not be on welfare/assistance....

Or we give the employees welfare and subsidize uber corporation's work force...

Which one is it vette?

You want to be a good freedom loving republican and keep charging the US tax payer for WalMart and McDouchebag's work force? Option A...

Or do you want to simply be a sane human being and force the company (and thus consumer) to pay for that work force?? Option B....

You chose.
 
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I guess taking an honest position on a subject instead of dancing around it with irrelevant bullshit, is just too difficult for republicans...
 
Why do you assume that people on welfare work?

Wal Mart, Starbucks, McDonalds and numerous other corporations across america cost the tax payer BILLIONS in public assistance to pay their minimum wage employees. It's not uncommon, it's not unplanned....it's a very calculated move to subsidize work forces and increase profit margins.

Google that shit and be pwned man.

Do you think somebody who can't read or write is worth $15 an hour?

What's that got to do with the fact that

A) you can make the company pay them enough to eat (liberal evil socialism!!)

or

B) we give them food stamps and make the tax payer foot the bill??? God loving Republicanism.

Choose man...there is no 3rd option...no one gives a fuck about 100 year old economic theory or what some dildo thinks whoever is worth what....company/consumer or taxpayer....who do you want paying? :confused:

Do you even have a position on the issue or are you just fiddle fucking about the GB?
 
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hey simpleton....


here is what happens....

min wage goes up, and the price to make your burger goes up...prices go up, so that wage increase becomes mute...

why not offer student loans, allow people to get an education to become something. after all (the fail on your part) wal mart and McDonalds are not career jobs unless you get into management or start to own burger stores...

you fail to realize burger flipper isn't a career....hopefully some day you will get that!




Wal Mart, Starbucks, McDonalds and numerous other corporations across america cost the tax payer BILLIONS in public assistance to pay their minimum wage employees. It's not uncommon, it's not unplanned....it's a very calculated move to subsidize work forces and increase profit margins.

Google that shit and be pwned man.



What's that got to do with the fact that

A) you can make the company pay them enough to eat (liberal evil socialism!!)

or

B) we give them food stamps and make the tax payer foot the bill??? God loving Republicanism.

Choose man...there is no 3rd option...no one gives a fuck about 100 year old economic theory or what some dildo thinks whoever is worth what....company/consumer or taxpayer....who do you want paying? :confused:

Do you even have a position on the issue or are you just fiddle fucking about the GB?
 
hey simpleton....


here is what happens....

min wage goes up, and the price to make your burger goes up...prices go up, so that wage increase becomes mute...

Then just raise that bitch until you kill the company for being irresponsible fuck heads. Fine them into fucking OBLIVION!!!

Bottom line is companies should not be feeding their employees with food stamps.

wal mart and McDonalds are not career jobs unless you get into management or start to own burger stores...

you fail to realize burger flipper isn't a career....hopefully some day you will get that!

Back in reality they are...and I'm glad to see you support companies subsidizing their workers on the tax payers dime.

Jen the socialist....LMFAO

Vette you care to take a stance on the issue yet or you still looking for your spine?
 
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