the local companies

[Ishmael]

with the caps on % of profits to big wigs, hopefully small business will be able to afford insurance sometime soon for their employees. i wouldn't call it unintended. time to redo those budgets! survival of the fittest! BCBS had record profits last year while rates rose through the roof. i guess they needed one last hurrah. hopefully this will level out to a normal soon.

Not likely, welcome to the new paradigm. You speak of small business when even IBM is divesting itself of it's health programs for their retiree's. 110,000 people affected by the new policy. And the likes of IBM even got a one year waiver, they're just getting ahead of the curve.

It's not going to get better.

Ishmael

 

[Que]

Your whole way of looking at the labor market is all wrong. No company owes anything to anyone except profits for its shareholders or owners. One doesn't take the risk to start a company in order to help ones employees make their families lives better. That's just a nice heartwarming side benefit but that's not why companies exist. Companies exist to fulfill the needs of their customers and turn a profit so that they can stay in business to do it some more.

Any company that does not pay attention to profitability is soon out of business and the golden goose is dead.

Anyone that chooses to work for a company does so voluntarily with a full understanding of what the benefits will be both financially and otherwise.

Any company that skimps excessively ends up losing a good employees to better employers. on the other hand any company that is excessive in their largesse towards their employees will find themselves out of business.

Its business not the goodwill job training center..

When I was in business I was horrible at it. On a lot of different levels. Hardest thing I've ever had to do was let people go because of my own incompetence.

Just for the sake of discussion let's discuss what would happen if we as a society just decided to disavow the idea of private property And that companies and their profits belong to their owners. Most people that want to do that don't necessarily want to go the full route to communism or the state actually has appointed managers every particular going concern.

But in order to cap profits as you suggest that's going to require recordkeeping and accountants and government oversight people all of which cost money, which is going to increase taxes on even more burdensome level. Even if such an enterprise could be morally justified It would be woefully inefficient. Have you ever had a problem with any type of government institution or the line person for whatever reason was unable to be of assistance.? Eventually (usually with great difficulty) you end up talking to some of the supervisory personnel.... do you really think having anyone like that supervisor that you once met anywhere between the making of a widget and the selling of a widget going to make profits any higher so that there's more to quote spread around?

It may feel unjust when those that take the risks end up with what looks to you like obscene profits but for everyone that succeeds like that many many many more that fail and lose everything.

Its the lust for wealth that drive people to start that next "best place to work"..sure lots of places suck to work for, but in my experience it's the people closest to your pay grade that are the most difficult to work with. On the rare occasion that I find myself (usually because I'm in trouble) talking to upper level management I find them to be nothing but fair reasonable people.

We don't vilify lottery winners or insist that the moral thing for them to do is to spread the money around their community and give it all away... and they did absolutely nothing but fall into luck.

 

[neci]

i lied. one more. just one. i swear. *chases with a water*

Have you read much you...

...lately?

i'm not a narcissist.

Not likely, welcome to the new paradigm. You speak of small business when even IBM is divesting itself of it's health programs for their retiree's. 110,000 people affected by the new policy. And the likes of IBM even got a one year waiver, they're just getting ahead of the curve.

It's not going to get better.

Ishmael

the new paradigm

sounds like a level of acceptance

IBM doesn't have offices here. it's the blue collar guys in his neck of the woods. the pessimistic, sky is falling is getting old. time to suck the venom out and work on some solutions. i left a job i loved a few story books ago, because i needed insurance and we were too small an organization to afford it. if i could have stayed in a job i loved and was good at... i don't know how things would be different today. that book may be over for me for now, but i hope (yes - crazy optimist here at times!) and have faith, that doesn't have to be our nations future.

 

[neci]

Your whole way of looking at the labor market is all wrong. No company owes anything to anyone except profits for its shareholders or owners. One doesn't take the risk to start a company in order to help ones employees make their families lives better. That's just a nice heartwarming side benefit but that's not why companies exist. Companies exist to fulfill the needs of their customers and turn a profit so that they can stay in business to do it some more.

Any company that does not pay attention to profitability is soon out of business and the golden goose is dead.

Anyone that chooses to work for a company does so voluntarily with a full understanding of what the benefits will be both financially and otherwise.

Any company that skimps excessively ends up losing a good employees to better employers. on the other hand any company that is excessive in their largesse towards their employees will find themselves out of business.

Its business not the goodwill job training center..

When I was in business I was horrible at it. On a lot of different levels. Hardest thing I've ever had to do was let people go because of my own incompetence.

Just for the sake of discussion let's discuss what would happen if we as a society just decided to disavow the idea of private property And that companies and their profits belong to their owners. Most people that want to do that don't necessarily want to go the full route to communism or the state actually has appointed managers every particular going concern.

But in order to cap profits as you suggest that's going to require recordkeeping and accountants and government oversight people all of which cost monies which is going to increase taxes on even more burdensome level. Even if such an enterprise could be morally justified It would be wall fully inefficient. Have you ever had a problem with any type of government institution or the line person for whatever reason was unable to be of assistance.? Eventually usually with great difficulty you end up talking to some of the supervisory personnel.... do you really think having anyone like that supervisor that you once Matt anywhere between the making of a widget in the selling of a widget going to make profits any higher so that there's more well to quote spread around?

It made you feel undressed when does the take the risks End up with what looks do you like obscene profits but for everyone that succeeds like that many many many more fail.

We don't vilify lottery winners are insist that the more thing for them to do is to spread the money around their community and give it all away... and they did absolutely nothing but fall into luck.

it's too close to bedtime, but when you say my way of viewing the labor market is "Wrong," you have closed yourself to any kind of idea or solution you may find within such rants and raves. now get your head out of your ass, because when a system of living only places value on the widget, soon all we value are widgets and cash. if you are a robot, that's not so bad. guess what.... business is more than just widgets and numbers and cash. there are real people's lives on the line. toss those out with the trash and you can call it whatever you want to call it, but you have to own up to tossing out human lives in the trash.

 

[Ishmael]

the new paradigm

sounds like a level of acceptance

IBM doesn't have offices here. it's the blue collar guys in his neck of the woods. the pessimistic, sky is falling is getting old. time to suck the venom out and work on some solutions. i left a job i loved a few story books ago, because i needed insurance and we were to small an organization to afford it. if i could have stayed in a job i loved and was good at... i don't know how things would be different today. that book may be over for me for now, but i hope (yes - crazy optimist here at times!) and have faith, that doesn't have to be our nations future.

I agree, but ObamaCare is not the path to that future you want, or I for that matter. There are better ways.

Ishmael

 

[Que]

i lied. one more. just one. i swear. *chases with a water*



i'm not a narcissist.



the new paradigm

sounds like a level of acceptance

IBM doesn't have offices here. it's the blue collar guys in his neck of the woods. the pessimistic, sky is falling is getting old. time to suck the venom out and work on some solutions. i left a job i loved a few story books ago, because i needed insurance and we were to small an organization to afford it. if i could have stayed in a job i loved and was good at... i don't know how things would be different today. that book may be over for me for now, but i hope (yes - crazy optimist here at times!) and have faith, that doesn't have to be our nations future.

That is one of the few positive things that I see about the great financial morass that is Obamacare. Although I have my reservations about the quality of care it would have been comforting when I would had no insurance and 5 kids for 10 years. In some ways it might be easier to start small businesses if you have that as a backstop but that's only going to be after it becomes universal healthcare words basically just the free government Canadian / British model between now and then its going to be a disaster.

In your case had been in place and you could have come up with whatever your quote fair share is less whatever government subsidy is perhaps you could gone to the exchanges and gotten care for emergency type care.

I recall on one occasion with no money I ended up steri- stripping my daughters need together and splinting it... I did a good job she's 16 now in the scar is barely visible... my son I paid for stitches on the bottom of his foot but I took them out myself.

 

[neci]

I agree, but ObamaCare is not the path to that future you want, or I for that matter. There are better ways.

Ishmael

law is law.

time for the learning curve to kick in. we've got some catching up to do.

 

[neci]

That is one of the few positive things that I see about the great financial morass that is Obamacare. Although I have my reservations about the quality of care it would have been comforting when I would had no insurance and 5 kids for 10 years. In some ways it might be easier to start small businesses if you have that as a backstop but that's only going to be after it becomes universal healthcare words basically just the free government Canadian / British model between now and then its going to be a disaster.

In your case had been in place and you could have come up with whatever your quote fair share is less whatever government subsidy is perhaps you could gone to the exchanges and gotten care for emergency type care.

I recall on one occasion with no money I ended up you stary stripping my daughters need together and splinting it... I did a good job she's 16 now in the scar is barely visible... my son I paid for stitches on the bottom of his foot but I took them out myself.

it's time for the small businesses to step it up. the time is now. dream and dream big. fuck the corporate bigwig. that's my opinion anyways. i've ordered antibiotics through petmeds, to avoid the doctor's visit and cost. more on those kinds of things but not for here. we all do what we have to do.

 

[Que]

it's time for the small businesses to step it up. the time is now. dream and dream big. fuck the corporate bigwig. that's my opinion anyways. i've ordered antibiotics through petmeds, to avoid the doctor's visit and cost. more on those kinds of things but not for here. we all do what we have to do.

Every big evil corporation was at one time a small business. The goal of every small business should be to become a large multinational corporation.. if you are a good moral person and have the ability to come up with a product or service that sells, the best thing you can do for your neighbors in your community is to start a successful business that employs them even at wages that you are less than you would like to be able to pay if you had the money.

 

[Ishmael]

law is law.

time for the learning curve to kick in. we've got some catching up to do.

Law is transient. Get used to that too, or do you just want to be tied up and spanked?

Ishmael

 

[neci]

Every big evil corporation was at one time a small business. The goal of every small business should be to become a large multinational corporation.. if you are a good moral person and have the ability to come up with a product or service that sells, the best thing you can do for your neighbors in your community is to start a successful business that employs them even at wages that you are less than you would like to be able to pay if you had the money.

why should the goal be to take over the world with your widgets? what ever happened to making a product you could be proud of, earning a good living and leaving the next generation something of value? i swear. greed. how do you think we got into this mess?

Law is transient. Get used to that too, or do you just want to be tied up and spanked?

Ishmael

aye dios mio. first daily and now you. i will be tied up and spanked again, but i will be studying the law while it happens. or not. it's a big world out there.

 

[Ishmael]

aye dios mio. first daily and now you. i will be tied up and spanked again, but i will be studying the law while it happens. or not. it's a big world out there.

Two names that should never be used in the same sentence.

Ishmael

 

[neci]

widget chasers.

 

[IndieSnob]

Two names that should never be used in the same sentence.

Ishmael

The joke writes itself. I'll let someone else hit it out of the park.

 

[Lorilei]

Law is transient. Get used to that too, or do you just want to be tied up and spanked?

Ishmael

Gross.

 

[IndieSnob]

Gross.

Hey, leave it to him to set aside his usual stupid political thoughts so he can make creepy sexual gestures.

All part of his charm.

 

[Lorilei]

Hey, leave it to him to set aside his usual stupid political thoughts so he can make creepy sexual gestures.

All part of his charm.

LOL! You made a funny typo. You said "charm" when you were talking about a creepy ignorant racist mofo.

 

[Ishmael]

LOL! You made a funny typo. You said "charm" when you were talking about a creepy ignorant racist mofo.

Yeah, that's me. I only hang with the white folk.

Ishmael

 

[Que]

why should the goal be to take over the world with your widgets? what ever happened to making a product you could be proud of, earning a good living and leaving the next generation something of value? i swear. greed. how do you think we got into this mess?



aye dios mio. first daily and now you. i will be tied up and spanked again, but i will be studying the law while it happens. or not. it's a big world out there.

We got into this mess from indolence not greed. If you mean the actual current mass we got into that with the idea that we should have everyone be home owners whether they were financially prepared to be ones or not.

I find it interesting that greed (of the other guy) is the only sin that we seem to talk about in spotlight society anymore.

Envy is no virtue. The reason envy is considered a sin is not because it hurts the guy who has more than you did you covet what he has and think that he doesn't deserve it. Envy is a sin because it dams you....think of a damn holding back water and the hold you back from being what you can be. envy is far more corrosive to the soul than greed....greed is motivating..

I actually do believe that the biblical admination that the love of money is the root of all evil... it isn't just the haves that love money to have not seem to like the idea of it quite a bit too.

Not a thing wrong with money itself... its just a medium to exchange goods and services. I think it's wrong to vilify people who through their effort initiative have made money.

And your hypothetical kind hearted company to treat its employees well why would you not want to see it succeed if you can hire 5 people why not 10 or a hundred or thousand in your culture of anti greed?

We live in a society where no one is supposed to judge anyone except the rich. Unless you going to the balance sheet how do you know that they're greedy how do you know they're taking excessive profits where does an excess of Prophet begin. How does one either as an employee or an outsider decide whether or not the boss is a compensated appropriately?

Throwing the first stone from the mob at the rich guy is not exactly a noble effort.. better or society for some reason its okay. no one ever gets a job from a guy who is just getting by.

 

[eyer]

i'm not a narcissist.

Of course you're not...