Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown.

[4est_4est_Gump]

merc wants a government shutdown so he can rail against the Republicans who took back his house and his purse...


He feels kinda violated by the people.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I've lived my whole life beneath the privilege of wealthier people, thankful for the fruits of my own personal efforts, the opportunities I was presented with, always thankful for the freedom to pursue what I could. You on the other hand aren't satisfied with being a free man in a free country, you want to lay claim to the property of your neighbor to make your lack of effort more palatable. Instead of working to diminish the freedom of your fellow Americans, why don't buy major medical insurance and stop whining?

Its the ageless, relentless struggle between Puritan and Cavalier. Scavenger vs predator. Critic vs Creator.

I usta have an Entitlement Test I gave to patients, to get at their politics. Libs score high, conservatives score low. And the folks who know how to actually do something: warriors, doctors, engineers, farmers, plumbers are conservative. People who don't really do anything: guidance counselors, dance perfessers, newspaper editors, bureaucrats are liberal.

Yesterday I filled a wash basket with sweet potatoes from my postage stamp garden. They wont grow themselves. I've never known a liberal to stop by to help, but they stop by to offer their opinions of the garden, and to get some samples. THAT AINT HOW I WOULDA DONE IT BUT THEY DONT LOOK TOO AWFUL, WHATS MY CHANCES OF GETTING SOME SAMPLES? I can imagine ADRE and ROB and MERC saying the exact same words fluently.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Who already compromised and bended over to give Obama and Harry a Putinesque way out of their red-line?

The Republicans.

Who has not shown up for work and just kept their red-line of no compromise?

Harry and Barry.

This is what it always comes down to. In America the definition of compromise is that the progressives get everything they want and everyone else can go suck eggs and if they refuse to play ball, then the Progressives just take everyone's ball and go home.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Who already compromised and bended over to give Obama and Harry a Putinesque way out of their red-line?

The Republicans.

Who has not shown up for work and just kept their red-line of no compromise?

Harry and Barry.

This is what it always comes down to. In America the definition of compromise is that the progressives get everything they want and everyone else can go suck eggs and if they refuse to play ball, then the Progressives just take everyone's ball and go home.

The Democrats remind me of Erskine Caldwell's book PLACE CALLED ESTHERVILLE where some folks try and pay their servants with used underwear.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

All of the Friends of Obama got their waivers but the Middle Class gets none.

The Middle Class is not a friend of Obama. He hates their self-sufficiency, he hates their suburbs and he hates their community spirit, their clubs, churches and charitable organizations; they don't need him, but he needs their money, especially their children's...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The Democrats remind me of Erskine Caldwell's book PLACE CALLED ESTHERVILLE where some folks try and pay their servants with used underwear.

*snicker*

Bill Clinton - tax deduction

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Lysander Spooner (1808-1887)

http://reason.com/archives/2013/09/29/the-national-debt-according-to-lysander/print

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Pushing to delay the health law has always made a lot more sense, both as a political tactic and a public message, than the push to defund. But it still faces the same essential barrier as the defund push did, which is that Democrats in the Senate have made it clear they won't sign on to a delay provision. And even if they unexpectedly did, a delay measure would still have to be passed by President Obama, who has vowed not to accept any delays to the health law as part of the negotiating process.

Which means that the two parties appear to be at an impasse, with no resolution likely before current government funding expires at the end of Monday. Shutdown city, here we come!

Update: Congressional sources suggest to NRO's Robert Costa that it's possible, although far from certain, that Speaker Boehner might pursue a one-week funding bill in order to create additional time to negotiate a longer continuing resolution.

Update 2: To no one's surprise, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has made it clear that the majority-Democrat upper chamber won't pass the House's new Obamacare-delaying CR. "Senate will reject any attempt to force changes to the health care law through a government funding bill or the debt ceiling," he Tweets. "Today’s vote by House Republicans is pointless. The American people will not be extorted by Tea Party anarchists."

Verily are we not told on a regular basis that the Tea Party is Dead?

Clearly we see who wants the government shutdown.

Negotiate with terrorists like the Taliban and Iran? Offer them concessions? That's what they do, they even send arms to al Qaeda. Treat them like your friends.

Negotiate with the Republicans? NO!!! TREAT THEM LIKE THE ENEMY!

The people are merely collateral damage.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/28/shutdown-city-house-gop-to-pass-one-year

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Why do Harry and Barry have to stick to their red line?

Because of the truth. This crises is their doing and its roots lie in political COWARDICE!

Democrats and their media allies have spent the past week labeling Republicans “anarchists,” “fanatics,” “radicals,” and “terrorists” who are wholly to blame for the situation that we are told will soon lead to a government shutdown. And if all you know about this situation is what you get from the media, you might actually believe that this is a crisis created by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and his fellow conservatives who sought to use the vote on a short-term spending bill as a means of preventing implementation of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), otherwise known as Obamacare.

Here’s a simple question: Why are we currently funding the federal government through a series of short-term measures known as “continuing resolutions”?

The answer is that the budgeting process has completely broken down in recent years, and the two men most responsible for that breakdown are President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. For three consecutive years — 2010, 2011, and 2012 — the Democrat-controlled Senate did not pass a budget bill because Reid knew that it would be a political liability to do so. Passing a budget that detailed the Democrats’ plans for spending and revenue as official policy would have exposed the “something for nothing” swindle that Reid and his colleagues are perpetrating on the American people. Republican challengers campaigning against Democrat senators could have cited their votes for the budget bill, saying that the incumbent voted for this, that, or the other unpopular component of the measure.

Reid and the Democrats knew this. They knew very well that the federal deficit was spiraling out of control, that there was not enough tax revenue to pay the mushrooming cost of entitlement programs (Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment, et cetera), and certainly there wasn’t enough revenue to pay for all the boondoggles and giveaways the Democrats voted for in the name of “stimulus.” Adding to this, there was not enough revenue to pay the cost of Obamacare, which Democrats rammed through Congress in March 2010 on a party-line vote. Passing an actual budget would have made clear the unsustainable fiscal nightmare into which Democrat policies have plunged the nation during the Obama Age, and so Harry Reid simply didn’t pass a budget for three years.

Robert Stacey McCain
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/09/30/extremely-extreme-extremists

 

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[4est_4est_Gump]

I think if the Senate sends the bill back to the House the House will come back with a proposal eliminate the federal exemption to Obamacare. I think a lot of people are in favor of that move. Hey, make everyone walk the plank.

If the people cannot have a waiver, then they should eliminate all exemptions and waivers.





Obama and Harry hate the people unless they are totally dependent upon government largess. It's Santa Obama and Santa Reid...

 

[zipman]

Freedom is Slavery

War is Peace

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

zip wants a shutdown so that minority communities will be denied good schools.



That'll teach the Tea Party!

 

[kbate]

We'll accept a resolution that defunds Obamacare as long as higher revenues are still on the table. All we want is a mere 2% on capital gains and to kick the top marginal rate to 40.1%.

I can't see why this wouldn't work.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We'll accept a resolution that defunds Obamacare as long as higher revenues are still on the table. All we want is a mere 2% on capital gains and to kick the top marginal rate to 40.1%.

I can't see why this wouldn't work.

Niggardly!

What's wrong with 42%?



Why do you coddle the rich?

 

[zipman]

zip wants a shutdown so that minority communities will be denied good schools.

That'll teach the Tea Party!

It's too beautiful of a morning to be ascribing positions to me that I don't hold.

Let go of the hate A_J, it's a poison to your soul.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh yeah, zip also wants the shutdown because it really gets even with military families...

 

[kbate]

Niggardly!

What's wrong with 42%?
Why do you coddle the rich?

I'm going with 40.1 and calling it a 1.9% tax benefit for the rich in order to stimulate the economy.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The American Press Taking Dictation!

Inevitably, there will be serious fiscal and economic consequences for what has been done in Washington since 2009. Democrats, however, cared less about such real-world matters than they did about the short-term political gain to be had by promoting the pleasant fiction that liberal “generosity” with taxpayer money (including trillions of dollars in deficit spending) had no real cost. The political project of electing and re-electing Democrats required this exercise in fiscal unreality, and so began Reid’s policy of avoiding the painful choices inherent in the budget process. As a direct result of Reid’s irresponsible policy, Americans are now faced with what is being described by many in the media as a “budget” battle, but is in fact about the short-term alternative to an actual budget, a continuing resolution which would authorize the government to keep spending more money than it has, by borrowing billions of dollars it has no feasible plan to repay.

You wouldn’t know any of this from media coverage of what is being portrayed as a Republican-induced crisis for which conservatives like Ted Cruz are to blame. Contrasting this misleading coverage against the actual facts of the situation, we might imagine Barack Obama and Harry Reid are sitting in the newsrooms of America’s newspapers and TV networks, dictating the story line to reporters and commentators. No such dictation is necessary, however, because our nation’s news organizations are overwhelmingly staffed by partisan Democrats. Readers will please excuse a slight digression here. As Rush Limbaugh has often remarked, media bias is so pervasive that if all he wanted to do was to complain about it, he could fill the airwaves 15 hours a week with nothing else. Yet the current showdown in Washington is a perfect example of how harmful this bias is.

RSM

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm going with 40.1 and calling it a 1.9% tax benefit for the rich in order to stimulate the economy.

That's right!

Harry and Barry (and Nancy too!) need to keep those loopholes coming their way!

 

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[kbate]

Can't we just put higher taxes onto the table? You can cut the medical device tax if only we get a 1% capital gains hike.


I'll give you the delay until March on the ACA in exchange for a 18.1 trillion debt ceiling. . .


I'll accept defunding the ACA for a continuing resolution until december 2014. . .



edit: no compromise! Death to the Republicans!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Zip, a good little apparatchik, will parrot his mentors, Obama, Reid, and Pelosi...no negotiation with terrorist Republicans but appeasement for real terrorists like Iran.

If zip gets a chance to crush the Tea Party, then hell yes, he'll deny the people the same relief enjoyed by the crony capitalist cabal than is Friends of Obama!

Can't we just put higher taxes onto the table? You can cut the medical device tax if only we get a 1% capital gains hike.


I'll give you the delay until March on the ACA in exchange for a 18.1 trillion debt ceiling. . .


I'll accept defunding the ACA for a continuing resolution until december 2014. . .



edit: no compromise! Death to the Republicans!

Death to the Republic!


"Ceterum autem censeo, Liberalismum esse delendum"
A_J, the Stupid

 

[Adre]

Yesterday I filled a wash basket with sweet potatoes from my postage stamp garden. They wont grow themselves. I've never known a liberal to stop by to help, but they stop by to offer their opinions of the garden, and to get some samples. THAT AINT HOW I WOULDA DONE IT BUT THEY DONT LOOK TOO AWFUL, WHATS MY CHANCES OF GETTING SOME SAMPLES? I can imagine ADRE and ROB and MERC saying the exact same words fluently.

I'd offer you market value for your puny little garden, tell you to take your crappy sweet potatoes, and plant something good to eat. Everybody wins.