Crimes of Passion

[Noor]

Wrong! I've been on the internet since 1984. Elite universities, specific government agencies and telecommunication companies were all connected.

You connect through work and even logged in from home.

Some girls' high schools too! I had no fear I did whatever from school in the 70's.

 

[slave_]

I understand that,but we are speaking of a teenage kid. Therefore, if he connected through any of the above methods doubt hes fourteen. I was more or less speaking on the average home user back then

I was just responding to your sweeping, white wash comment that paying for online and type of usage was the norm... period. You didn't mention the average home user, you mentioned " everyone".

 

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[Phelia]

I've sent a PM because explanation involves, technically, the themes of a minor in sexual situations.

Thank you for the PM. I really do think some people are still confused and curious, so for their edification, I'll respond here. With Reci's permission, I will share that she was clarifying to me some details about the progression of their relationship and that he was an aggressive personality that initially pursued her, and presumably others. Their relationship online was a role-playing game relationship. I am still unclear as to whether "role-playing game relationship" means it was asexual. There was specific mention of maintaining an adult game relationship with him before he knew she knew his age because anonymity was important and customary in the community (which is also why she did not tell the other members and instead encouraged him to spend more time with her in an isolated, non-sexual roleplay setting). She reiterated that initial confusion may have been caused by definitions of terms that aren't familiar to non-gamers.

First, if you did not have a sexual relationship with anyone underage, I don't see why you wouldn't have been able to post your PM on the board, or how your original post would have violated to TOS.

More importantly, though, you don't owe me an explanation. You made some decisions that I fundamentally disagree with, but as I mentioned previously, I'm not really caught up in the specifics of what happened twenty years ago. I found the ensuing reaction and prevaricating very odd and disturbing. Not just yours, for the record.

Your PM was very respectful, and I appreciate that. Some parts of my post were sarcastic and snotty, and I apologize. I described what I was reacting to, but that is not an excuse for my own behavior.

 

[Sean]

Thank you for the PM. I really do think some people are still confused and curious, so for their edification, I'll respond here. With Reci's permission, I will share that she was clarifying to me some details about the progression of their relationship and that he was an aggressive personality that initially pursued her, and presumably others. Their relationship online was a role-playing game relationship. I am still unclear as to whether "role-playing game relationship" means it was asexual. There was specific mention of maintaining an adult game relationship with him before he knew she knew his age because anonymity was important and customary in the community (which is also why she did not tell the other members and instead encouraged him to spend more time with her in an isolated, non-sexual roleplay setting). She reiterated that initial confusion may have been caused by definitions of terms that aren't familiar to non-gamers.

First, if you did not have a sexual relationship with anyone underage, I don't see why you wouldn't have been able to post your PM on the board, or how your original post would have violated to TOS.

More importantly, though, you don't owe me an explanation. You made some decisions that I fundamentally disagree with, but as I mentioned previously, I'm not really caught up in the specifics of what happened twenty years ago. I found the ensuing reaction and prevaricating very odd and disturbing. Not just yours, for the record.

Your PM was very respectful, and I appreciate that. Some parts of my post were sarcastic and snotty, and I apologize. I described what I was reacting to, but that is not an excuse for my own behavior.

Did you read the original posts, before they were redacted?

 

[LazyAssReader]

I was just responding to your sweeping, white wash comment that paying for online and type of usage was the norm... period. You didn't mention the average home user, you mentioned " everyone".

I don't know where white wash comes in but OK you're right

 

[Disgustipated]

You just can't un-explain this:

 

[Disgustipated]

Did you read the original posts, before they were redacted?

You just can't un-explain this:

 

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[Noor]

You just can't un-explain this:

Bravado?

 

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[Phelia]

Did you read the original posts, before they were redacted?

Yup. She's saying "fooled around" means hugging and making funny faces and "messing around" means killing stuff in video games and "ran a bdsm board" means "ran around in a field of youthful innocence picking tulips." Jay-kay about the last one - I can't remember what that was actually supposed to mean. I'm not going to fight her or you or anyone on the details. Wasn't there.

Skip back a page - I'm not giving anyone any passes here. Just passing along a message, and I do apologize the parts of my post that had an eau de bitch about them. Two wrongs don't make a rant.

 

[Sean]

Yup. She's saying "fooled around" means hugging and making funny faces and "messing around" means killing stuff in video games and "ran a bdsm board" means "ran around in a field of youthful innocence picking tulips." Jay-kay about the last one - I can't remember what that was actually supposed to mean. I'm not going to fight her or you or anyone on the details. Wasn't there.

Skip back a page - I'm not giving anyone any passes here. Just passing along a message, and I do apologize the parts of my post that had an eau de bitch about them. Two wrongs don't make a rant.

She's spent the last god knows how many pages trying to back pedal when she saw that her smirks and grins might not be going down too well. As far as I'm concerned she's the textbook definition of a paedophile.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Sometimes I want to be mean to him because I want to find out what my RobPutDownSouth™ nickname would be

Ooooh "RobPutDownSouth"? I like it!!

AND you used my trademark trademark thingee™!

Your name would be a bit hard to make fun of, give me a bit to think about that little phella....

"little phella", get it? get it? Do I have to go back to the John Wayne avatar?

 

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[Byron In Exile]

MUDS and talkers, never know what goes on in those rooms, I once planned a birthday party in one and everything thought we were having an orgy.

Good on you, Wings for the screen capture.

I am sure there is a lot more to this whole story but frankly it is history. Reci did wrong, she regrets it, that is that.

I always think of crimes of passion as murder, taking down people's sites, one friend's now ex wife gave away all his favorite clothes including a bespoke suit, during college I remember someone replacing lube with lidocaine, wiring the bedroom for sounds and then broadcasting the resultant non sex over pirate radio.

Any other good stories like that?

At university, a friend and I gained privileged access to their timesharing system. We recompiled some of the system programs to make sure we could keep it, and others to do things like make us invisible in the system status so that not even the administrators could see when we were online. After that, we cut down on using the main labs that had dozens of terminals to avoid arousing suspicion (being there working while not showing up as online was a bit of a giveaway), and used a smaller lab in the Psych building that just had three terminals.

From there, we wrote a utility program that could perform all sorts of system functions which would produce a system violation if run from a non-privileged account. There was one other guy that figured out the hole we'd exploited before the administrators closed it, but he wasn't as clever, and spent most of the time he had privilege trying to spy on us and rip off our programs. We watched him do this one evening, and after he'd copied several source files to his account, we deleted them. He immediately consulted the system status several times, which showed us as not being online, so he copied the files again. And we deleted them again. Then he composed an angry letter to an administrator recounting his version of what had just happened and how it had to be us even though we weren't showing up as online and we'd infiltrated their system and they'd better wake up and recompile the entire system to flush us out and blah blah etc. Then he logged off. And then we deleted his message.

Our three most fun ideas, beyond the things that were practical and useful, were the commands "ring," "roll," and "panic." The roll command would send continuous line feeds to any terminal, or all terminals. So whatever the person was doing would scroll off the screen, and each time they hit a key, that would scroll off, too. The ring command would send continuous BEL characters. Using "ring all" in one of the large labs had a spectacular effect.

But by far, "panic" was the most fun. It would kill every job one by one, hang up every phone (you could hear the clicking relays and see the lights go out on data sets all around the lab), and disable logins so if they dialed back in, they wouldn't get a login prompt, but a message saying the system was currently unavailable. Lastly, it would kill the job running on the operator's console and open the console for binary input, which meant the operator couldn't do anything and couldn't control-C out of it. And I'm here to tell you: that system was blisteringly fast with just one active terminal.

The panic command actually did have a purpose, though: it was necessary to reduce the system to running a single job in order to use the "halt" command. What that did was execute a function that stopped the CPU at a fixed address. No diagnostic dump, no record of what had happened or how it got there. And, of course, when you write this stuff, you have to test it to make sure it works properly. Which we did. Twice. And that was probably what spurred the administration into action, unfortunately.

It wasn't a crime at the time, but we were definitely passionate about what we were doing, in addition to being inconsiderate and arrogant. Regrets? Some. If I could go back, we could have shut down the system at night, when there were only a few people on it, instead of midday when almost every terminal was occupied. And we didn't really need to do it two times.

 

[Wings]

So, men doing what you said above in the front seat is, well, OK.

Got it.

Hey, that's not what Phelia said. She was and is being classy and circumspect. She never said any of it was okay.

 

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[Wings]

OK. I was going to ask her to do me later and I probably blew it with that post. I think you and I are like 3 years apart.

In maturity? Probably.

 

[Phelia]

She's spent the last god knows how many pages trying to back pedal when she saw that her smirks and grins might not be going down too well. As far as I'm concerned she's the textbook definition of a paedophile.

That's fine. It's a fucked up thread, and that's not a surprising impression to walk away with - the parallels are pretty straightforward. Though if we're talking textbook, it'd be ephebophile, non?

As far as I'm concerned I don't know what the hell is going on or what actually happened but it was absolutely wrong and I'm really put off by the flippant attitude and attempts at justification. Just like the rest of BG23's mind-controlled zombie army.

So, men doing what you said above in the front seat is, well, OK.

Got it.

Of course it isn't. Did you read my giant post calling her out? I put work into formatting it and everything

Ooooh "RobPutDownSouth"? I like it!!

AND you used my trademark trademark thingee™!

Your name would be a bit hard to make fun of, give me a bit to think about that little phella....

"little phella", get it? get it? Do I have to go back to the John Wayne avatar?

I like! I was also thinking maybe phellatio, but here that's more like an advertisement than an insult.

I believe John Wayne is butter.

 

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[pointless]

She's spent the last god knows how many pages trying to back pedal when she saw that her smirks and grins might not be going down too well. As far as I'm concerned she's the textbook definition of a paedophile.

then you don't know what that word means. seriously, it's fucked up, but it's not pedophilia.

 

[Phelia]

Hey, that's not what Phelia said. She was and is being classy and circumspect. She never said any of it was okay.

OK. I was going to ask her to do me later and I probably blew it with that post. I think you and I are like 3 years apart.

Nah, I forgive you. But remember that house you were going to build me? We're going to need to add another story.

And a pool.

Oh, and I want Wings to join.